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Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 09:59 PM Jun 2018

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!!

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!! (Original Post) Power 2 the People Jun 2018 OP
Congratulations to @Ocasio2018 on your primary victory tonight! Donkees Jun 2018 #1
Hell yeah!!!! disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #2
Cool! nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2018 #3
Boooooooooooooooooo nycbos Jun 2018 #4
It's about the future of our country not just NYC Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #8
Because reasoned leadership and experience shanny Jun 2018 #12
We don't use it anymore nycbos Jun 2018 #14
Bullshit Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #16
Tell that to the 80,000 voters in WI, MI and OA nycbos Jun 2018 #17
why is there never any shanny Jun 2018 #20
There should be. nycbos Jun 2018 #24
The Greens and Libertarians always stay in to maintain ballot access. Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #25
it would appear the party is moving left shanny Jun 2018 #18
I want a 50 state strategy. nycbos Jun 2018 #19
Well apparently we CAN win by moving left in NYC shanny Jun 2018 #26
I see your point but we have to be careful Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #32
I agree. shanny Jun 2018 #36
I hear ya Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #43
His district was heavily Republican and he knew that. shanny Jun 2018 #52
Seems to me we are always conceding the framing. Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #56
yup. shanny Jun 2018 #70
And without Wall St money. KPN Jun 2018 #44
Yup. Even better. shanny Jun 2018 #48
It's ok. NY_20th Jun 2018 #28
Try Eliot Engel (NY CD-16) then for a senior leader from the NYC area. DinahMoeHum Jun 2018 #31
She'll do fine, like Obama did. joshcryer Jun 2018 #34
She is NO Barack Obama nycbos Jun 2018 #35
How do you know? She's 28. Give her a chance. KPN Jun 2018 #78
Because Obama was a once in a lifetime candidate BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #85
I'm glad you wish her luck. That's what we should all be doing. KPN Jun 2018 #86
Because Barack Obama comes around once in a generation. nycbos Jun 2018 #87
Yep. A victory of empty rhetoric over experience and leadership. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #58
Oh like Chuck Schumer? Tatiana Jun 2018 #62
I am glad she won rpannier Jun 2018 #68
Lions and tigers and bears! H2O Man Jun 2018 #72
She is truly the face of her district Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #5
Really good news on a dark day in American politics mvd Jun 2018 #6
She ran on Medicare For All !! leftstreet Jun 2018 #7
Yes, and ran on many other issues in line with Bernie's positions... it's no wonder she won! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #81
Congrats! Iliyah Jun 2018 #9
Yea! shanny Jun 2018 #10
OR finally won one. YaY! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #11
An amazing end to an otherwise very crappy day SubjectTrip Jun 2018 #13
Excellent news melman Jun 2018 #15
What policies will Ocasio-Cortez offer that will help deliver national votes to the Democrats? brooklynite Jun 2018 #21
Her policy sheet was listed in a post above Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #45
Show me how her progressive policies sell in PA, OH, MI, WI... brooklynite Jun 2018 #57
How? Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #64
None of these are a self-described Berniecrat from a safe district... brooklynite Jun 2018 #69
Politicians never start a parade Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #71
She will be H2O Man Jun 2018 #73
Policies she will offer? Simple, what people want. KPN Jun 2018 #76
Seven months ago, she was a bartender. Now she could (should) be headed to Congress. LonePirate Jun 2018 #22
Who decided Crowley would be the next speaker Retrograde Jun 2018 #29
I'm sure he'll be happy to earn 10x his salary as a DC lobbyist Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #33
Lobbying is a constitutional right. joshcryer Jun 2018 #38
So was 3/5 of a man Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #47
Are you kidding me? joshcryer Jun 2018 #49
Bullshit. You used the constitution to justify lobbying and the perversity of it Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #55
I didn't "justify" lobbying, I explained why it exists. joshcryer Jun 2018 #67
"We have to have a means to talk to our Representatives." disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #88
And that's the problem right there. KPN Jun 2018 #74
Not a NYer but from the outside this looks like a good win. seaglass Jun 2018 #23
Sen. Sanders: Congratulations to @Ocasio2018 on her extraordinary upset victory tonight! Donkees Jun 2018 #27
Thx for posting. KPN Jun 2018 #80
Congratulations indeed!! Bernie has it EXACTLY right... as usual!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #82
Congrats. RandySF Jun 2018 #30
You give Sarandon way too much credit Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #37
She's still dead to me. RandySF Jun 2018 #39
+1000 aeromanKC Jun 2018 #63
Demographics, out with the old, and general sentiments won it. joshcryer Jun 2018 #40
I love President Obama Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #50
No, he did fine for having the votes for 72 days, total, in 8 years. joshcryer Jun 2018 #60
you would disregard an excellent candidate shanny Jun 2018 #41
Apparently some people think Sarandon has reverse infallibility Jim Lane Jun 2018 #51
+1 shanny Jun 2018 #53
I'm prepared to let go of any bitterness from the last election... chwaliszewski Jun 2018 #42
Well said!! That's the kind of example I was hoping others would be setting as well. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #84
I'm glad she won rpannier Jun 2018 #66
Very authentic passionate leader. zentrum Jun 2018 #46
Our Elder Dems Need to Become Mentors NOW! MarkEzra Jun 2018 #54
I largely agree with you. Blue_true Jun 2018 #65
Yup. Exactly. KPN Jun 2018 #75
Congratulations to Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. democrank Jun 2018 #59
Perfect SCantiGOP Jun 2018 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #77
Congrats from Canada!!! Puzzler Jun 2018 #79
Great ray of sunshine on an otherwise KPN Jun 2018 #83
Lovin' it still... what a sweet victory!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #89

nycbos

(6,037 posts)
4. Boooooooooooooooooo
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:04 PM
Jun 2018

If we took back the house we would have had a senior leader from NYC. Now we have other no name backbencher.

A defeat for reasoned leadership and experience.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
8. It's about the future of our country not just NYC
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:14 PM
Jun 2018

As a New Yorker you should know that we don't take a back seat to anyone when it comes to fighting the good fight. I'm sure Chuck Schumer's door will always be open to Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez to make sure NYC concerns are being heard by both houses.

Rejoice! A Latina congresswoman!

nycbos

(6,037 posts)
14. We don't use it anymore
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:25 PM
Jun 2018

Hillary Clinton wasn't pure enough for the far left. She was "around for too long" It's a symbol of dismissing of qualifications and experience.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
16. Bullshit
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:30 PM
Jun 2018

Hillary got 3 million more votes than that asshole and 66 million over all. That means that most all "purists" who voted for Bernie voted for her in the general.

nycbos

(6,037 posts)
17. Tell that to the 80,000 voters in WI, MI and OA
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:33 PM
Jun 2018

Many people didn't;t show up. "Because they couldn't vote for Hillary" because they were no difference. Stein got more than Trumps margin of victory in all those states.

nycbos

(6,037 posts)
24. There should be.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:38 PM
Jun 2018

Not sure we can win them back. He won in 2008 because the financial crisis that is what made us "ready for a black President" In 2012 his campaign in the Midwest was "I know you hate you boss doesn't Romney look like your boss"


Trump's campaign was based on blaming immigrants for peoples problems. And sexism.


They then thought immigrants were taking their jobs and they couldn't bare the thought of a woman as president.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
25. The Greens and Libertarians always stay in to maintain ballot access.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:39 PM
Jun 2018

Putin pumped up the Greens campaign and his plan worked like a charm.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
18. it would appear the party is moving left
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:33 PM
Jun 2018

and, yes, away from "reasoned leadership and experience"...which has been failing much more than symbolically since at least 2000. There's an old expression: lead, follow or get out of the way.

nycbos

(6,037 posts)
19. I want a 50 state strategy.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:34 PM
Jun 2018

Find candidates that can win everywhere. There are places we cannot win by moving left.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
26. Well apparently we CAN win by moving left in NYC
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:40 PM
Jun 2018

and I bet we could by moving left in, say, CA--so why the resistance to doing that? Why do we defer to incumbents, even when those incumbents are out of touch with their districts and constituents? A safe Senate seat in CA is not going to become less safe if Diane Feinstein isn't in it. Just for an example.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
32. I see your point but we have to be careful
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:01 PM
Jun 2018

Only a Doug Jones type could have won in Alabama. Manchin walks a tight rope in WV because it's dead red Trump country.

Once we get real progressives in the majority and make real changes, poor red-state rednecks will see the results it will break the fever and give them a reason to vote Blue.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
36. I agree.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:07 PM
Jun 2018

But I also think we have little to lose in red states by running Somebody Completely Different. We ran a candidate in Georgia's special election last spring (Ossoff in the 6th district) who did everything--according to Joy Reid--except have an R after his name...and he underperformed Hillary. In the age of twitler.

Changing a losing game is what we need, and yes, the fever could break with at least the 8 million Obama-to-Trump voters.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
43. I hear ya
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:14 PM
Jun 2018

Ossoff tried to be Republican lite rather than progressive. We need locals who really know their districts.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
52. His district was heavily Republican and he knew that.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:30 PM
Jun 2018

That's how he ran. What we should try--imo--is not trying to appeal to the mythical moderates, but actually staking out some new ground. (If we are losing in these districts already what difference does it make?) We should be fighting these battles on our terms, not theirs. Seems to me we are always conceding the framing.

DinahMoeHum

(21,806 posts)
31. Try Eliot Engel (NY CD-16) then for a senior leader from the NYC area.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:57 PM
Jun 2018

Part of his district is the northern part of the Bronx, and if the Democrats win the House, he becomes the chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee (he's currently the ranking Democrat)

And right now, he's crushing his three opponents in his primary.

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/06/26/cd-16-primary-election-results-congress/731128002/

KPN

(15,649 posts)
78. How do you know? She's 28. Give her a chance.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:01 AM
Jun 2018

You seem bothered by this? Why? I don’t get it.

BannonsLiver

(16,439 posts)
85. Because Obama was a once in a lifetime candidate
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:29 AM
Jun 2018

It's always interesting to me that a lot of the OR folks seem to give him the respect he deserves only grudgingly. She hasn't done a thing yet. I wish her luck. She earned this. But lets tap the brakes on the Obama comparisons. It's ludicrous.

nycbos

(6,037 posts)
87. Because Barack Obama comes around once in a generation.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:07 AM
Jun 2018

She is bright and could be a good congresswomen and I'll admit if I'm wrong there.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
62. Oh like Chuck Schumer?
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:46 PM
Jun 2018

NO thanks. I'd rather look to the other coast for new leadership. California is bursting at the seams with qualified, passionate, and principled leaders.

rpannier

(24,336 posts)
68. I am glad she won
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:10 AM
Jun 2018

But, I understand your position as well
Having a Senior member from the majority party is pretty important

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
5. She is truly the face of her district
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:05 PM
Jun 2018

Loved her commercials. They were great. Each one was like "here I am,here's where I'm from and here's what I believe in."

So glad for her and her district. Best news in a horrible news day.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
6. Really good news on a dark day in American politics
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:07 PM
Jun 2018

Nice to see a big progressive breakthrough! We've had more state level wins than national so far.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
81. Yes, and ran on many other issues in line with Bernie's positions... it's no wonder she won!
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:13 AM
Jun 2018

Ocasio-Cortez for President 2028.

brooklynite

(94,713 posts)
21. What policies will Ocasio-Cortez offer that will help deliver national votes to the Democrats?
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:35 PM
Jun 2018

She has a safe seat; the national Party does not.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
45. Her policy sheet was listed in a post above
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:19 PM
Jun 2018

Progressive policies win. Even Chuck Schumer and Kirstin Gillibrand are starting to lean our way.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
64. How?
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:50 PM
Jun 2018

Ask Sherrod Brown and Marcie Kaptur in Ohio.
Ask Conor Lamb and Bob Casey in Pennsylvania
Ask Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin
Ask Debbie Stabenow in Michigan

We can do this!

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
71. Politicians never start a parade
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:22 AM
Jun 2018

They just join them.

Let's make ours so large they have no choice but to join it.

KPN

(15,649 posts)
76. Policies she will offer? Simple, what people want.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:59 AM
Jun 2018

We just haven’t been following the peoples’ lead. She has already and sounds like she will.

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
22. Seven months ago, she was a bartender. Now she could (should) be headed to Congress.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:36 PM
Jun 2018



Jeff Stein Verified account @JStein_WaPo

This photo is from Nov. 14, 2017. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 28, was then working as a bartender.

Less than a year later, she defeated the likely next Speaker of the House, and will almost certainly be the youngest woman ever elected to Congress

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
49. Are you kidding me?
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:23 PM
Jun 2018

Are you seriously comparing redress of grievances to fucking 3/5ths of a man? You have to be kidding / trolling. Have to be.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
55. Bullshit. You used the constitution to justify lobbying and the perversity of it
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:34 PM
Jun 2018

I said the constitution isn't always perfect and needs to be modified from time to time to make a more perfect union.

The 3/5 was an example of things that were egregiously wrong that needed to be fixed. Just like the destruction of our democracy through lobbying has to be fixed.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
67. I didn't "justify" lobbying, I explained why it exists.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:09 AM
Jun 2018

Lobbying is a constitutional right. There is no justification necessary.

We have to have a means to talk to our Representatives.

Lobbying in its current form has issues though because they're allowed to do things like draft legislation. Sure they can't buy a congressman a cup of coffee but they can hand over a folder with pre-written legislation in it for their thing. How does that even make sense I don't even know (the draft had to have costed money for example).

There has been a lot of effort to reform lobbying. I think we need mediators, to be frank, third parties that don't let lobbyists do anything but talk about a subject. Should reduce influence greatly.

In any case I doubt Crowly does anything, I expect he'll take a 2 year vacation and run again after this young lady gets shown what DC is like.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
88. "We have to have a means to talk to our Representatives."
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:57 AM
Jun 2018

We do, it's called a ballot box, how about some town halls??.. I know it's a crazy concept, spend some time speaking with your constituents instead of backdoor meetings with legal bribery merchants - aka lobbyists..

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
37. You give Sarandon way too much credit
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:10 PM
Jun 2018

She probably influenced less than 500 voters in the general election.

That's like saying Scott Baio pushed Trump over the top.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
40. Demographics, out with the old, and general sentiments won it.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:11 PM
Jun 2018

She will do fine, but I fear where just repeating history. We went after the inexperienced guy with Obama and see where it led us.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
50. I love President Obama
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:29 PM
Jun 2018

He is a good man with his heart in the right place. He would have been much more successful legislatively if he ran in 2020 rather than 2008. He spent his first 7 years trying to get the Republicans to like him. He didn't realize there was pure evil in the world and they have (R) next to their names. By the time he realized they had no plans to negotiate or help him pass anything, it was too late.

It would have been so much better for the country if Hillary would have won in 2008 and passed the torch to Obama in 2016. She would have never put up with their games and knew exactly who they were.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
60. No, he did fine for having the votes for 72 days, total, in 8 years.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:42 PM
Jun 2018

What he failed at demonstrably and absolutely was the inability to grow the party and put on his "walking shoes."

We will see if these new faces will grow the party by fighting for others.

What is important about tonight is how many Democrats are quickly conceding and putting their support behind the new people.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
51. Apparently some people think Sarandon has reverse infallibility
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:29 PM
Jun 2018

Or at least, they consider Sarandon's judgment to be more important than their own.

Seems kind of warped to me, but everyone gets to make their choices as they see fit.

For my part, I don't think anyone has either infallibility or reverse infallibility.

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
42. I'm prepared to let go of any bitterness from the last election...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:13 PM
Jun 2018

and move forward to take back the House and Senate. Are you?

Congrats, A O-C!

 

MarkEzra

(27 posts)
54. Our Elder Dems Need to Become Mentors NOW!
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:31 PM
Jun 2018

Sure I love Nancy. Now please, I'm 70 years old, and I'm saying it's time to help our young Democrats with your wisdom. Give up the reins and whisper in their ears and watch the country rush to our Fresh, New Democratic party!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
65. I largely agree with you.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:53 PM
Jun 2018

We need young fighters with the old guard mentoring them. That is how the best situations work.

Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

KPN

(15,649 posts)
83. Great ray of sunshine on an otherwise
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:17 AM
Jun 2018

distressing day. This is wonderful news. The changing of the guard is underway.

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