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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez!!
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.
Donkees
(31,450 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,502 posts)nycbos
(6,037 posts)If we took back the house we would have had a senior leader from NYC. Now we have other no name backbencher.
A defeat for reasoned leadership and experience.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)As a New Yorker you should know that we don't take a back seat to anyone when it comes to fighting the good fight. I'm sure Chuck Schumer's door will always be open to Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez to make sure NYC concerns are being heard by both houses.
Rejoice! A Latina congresswoman!
shanny
(6,709 posts)have been doing so well for us lately
nycbos
(6,037 posts)Hillary Clinton wasn't pure enough for the far left. She was "around for too long" It's a symbol of dismissing of qualifications and experience.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Hillary got 3 million more votes than that asshole and 66 million over all. That means that most all "purists" who voted for Bernie voted for her in the general.
nycbos
(6,037 posts)Many people didn't;t show up. "Because they couldn't vote for Hillary" because they were no difference. Stein got more than Trumps margin of victory in all those states.
shanny
(6,709 posts)nycbos
(6,037 posts)Not sure we can win them back. He won in 2008 because the financial crisis that is what made us "ready for a black President" In 2012 his campaign in the Midwest was "I know you hate you boss doesn't Romney look like your boss"
Trump's campaign was based on blaming immigrants for peoples problems. And sexism.
They then thought immigrants were taking their jobs and they couldn't bare the thought of a woman as president.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Putin pumped up the Greens campaign and his plan worked like a charm.
shanny
(6,709 posts)and, yes, away from "reasoned leadership and experience"...which has been failing much more than symbolically since at least 2000. There's an old expression: lead, follow or get out of the way.
nycbos
(6,037 posts)Find candidates that can win everywhere. There are places we cannot win by moving left.
shanny
(6,709 posts)and I bet we could by moving left in, say, CA--so why the resistance to doing that? Why do we defer to incumbents, even when those incumbents are out of touch with their districts and constituents? A safe Senate seat in CA is not going to become less safe if Diane Feinstein isn't in it. Just for an example.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Only a Doug Jones type could have won in Alabama. Manchin walks a tight rope in WV because it's dead red Trump country.
Once we get real progressives in the majority and make real changes, poor red-state rednecks will see the results it will break the fever and give them a reason to vote Blue.
shanny
(6,709 posts)But I also think we have little to lose in red states by running Somebody Completely Different. We ran a candidate in Georgia's special election last spring (Ossoff in the 6th district) who did everything--according to Joy Reid--except have an R after his name...and he underperformed Hillary. In the age of twitler.
Changing a losing game is what we need, and yes, the fever could break with at least the 8 million Obama-to-Trump voters.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Ossoff tried to be Republican lite rather than progressive. We need locals who really know their districts.
shanny
(6,709 posts)That's how he ran. What we should try--imo--is not trying to appeal to the mythical moderates, but actually staking out some new ground. (If we are losing in these districts already what difference does it make?) We should be fighting these battles on our terms, not theirs. Seems to me we are always conceding the framing.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Understatement of the century.
shanny
(6,709 posts)KPN
(15,649 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,806 posts)Part of his district is the northern part of the Bronx, and if the Democrats win the House, he becomes the chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee (he's currently the ranking Democrat)
And right now, he's crushing his three opponents in his primary.
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/06/26/cd-16-primary-election-results-congress/731128002/
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)nycbos
(6,037 posts)KPN
(15,649 posts)You seem bothered by this? Why? I dont get it.
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)It's always interesting to me that a lot of the OR folks seem to give him the respect he deserves only grudgingly. She hasn't done a thing yet. I wish her luck. She earned this. But lets tap the brakes on the Obama comparisons. It's ludicrous.
KPN
(15,649 posts)nycbos
(6,037 posts)She is bright and could be a good congresswomen and I'll admit if I'm wrong there.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)NO thanks. I'd rather look to the other coast for new leadership. California is bursting at the seams with qualified, passionate, and principled leaders.
rpannier
(24,336 posts)But, I understand your position as well
Having a Senior member from the majority party is pretty important
H2O Man
(73,594 posts)Oh my!
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Loved her commercials. They were great. Each one was like "here I am,here's where I'm from and here's what I believe in."
So glad for her and her district. Best news in a horrible news day.
mvd
(65,180 posts)Nice to see a big progressive breakthrough! We've had more state level wins than national so far.
leftstreet
(36,111 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Ocasio-Cortez for President 2028.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,239 posts)SubjectTrip
(79 posts)She gives me hope!
melman
(7,681 posts)brooklynite
(94,713 posts)She has a safe seat; the national Party does not.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Progressive policies win. Even Chuck Schumer and Kirstin Gillibrand are starting to lean our way.
brooklynite
(94,713 posts)...where we have to win back seats.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Ask Sherrod Brown and Marcie Kaptur in Ohio.
Ask Conor Lamb and Bob Casey in Pennsylvania
Ask Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin
Ask Debbie Stabenow in Michigan
We can do this!
brooklynite
(94,713 posts)Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)They just join them.
Let's make ours so large they have no choice but to join it.
H2O Man
(73,594 posts)representing human beings. That's a good thing.
KPN
(15,649 posts)We just havent been following the peoples lead. She has already and sounds like she will.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)Link to tweet
This photo is from Nov. 14, 2017. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 28, was then working as a bartender.
Less than a year later, she defeated the likely next Speaker of the House, and will almost certainly be the youngest woman ever elected to Congress
Retrograde
(10,152 posts)Other than Crowley.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Sad but true.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Redress of grievances.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)We need to fix the process just as we have done in the past.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Are you seriously comparing redress of grievances to fucking 3/5ths of a man? You have to be kidding / trolling. Have to be.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)I said the constitution isn't always perfect and needs to be modified from time to time to make a more perfect union.
The 3/5 was an example of things that were egregiously wrong that needed to be fixed. Just like the destruction of our democracy through lobbying has to be fixed.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Lobbying is a constitutional right. There is no justification necessary.
We have to have a means to talk to our Representatives.
Lobbying in its current form has issues though because they're allowed to do things like draft legislation. Sure they can't buy a congressman a cup of coffee but they can hand over a folder with pre-written legislation in it for their thing. How does that even make sense I don't even know (the draft had to have costed money for example).
There has been a lot of effort to reform lobbying. I think we need mediators, to be frank, third parties that don't let lobbyists do anything but talk about a subject. Should reduce influence greatly.
In any case I doubt Crowly does anything, I expect he'll take a 2 year vacation and run again after this young lady gets shown what DC is like.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)We do, it's called a ballot box, how about some town halls??.. I know it's a crazy concept, spend some time speaking with your constituents instead of backdoor meetings with legal bribery merchants - aka lobbyists..
KPN
(15,649 posts)seaglass
(8,173 posts)Congrats to her supporters
Donkees
(31,450 posts)KPN
(15,649 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)RandySF
(59,167 posts)If it weren't for Susan Srandan's endorsement, I might have cheered her on.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)She probably influenced less than 500 voters in the general election.
That's like saying Scott Baio pushed Trump over the top.
RandySF
(59,167 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)She will do fine, but I fear where just repeating history. We went after the inexperienced guy with Obama and see where it led us.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)He is a good man with his heart in the right place. He would have been much more successful legislatively if he ran in 2020 rather than 2008. He spent his first 7 years trying to get the Republicans to like him. He didn't realize there was pure evil in the world and they have (R) next to their names. By the time he realized they had no plans to negotiate or help him pass anything, it was too late.
It would have been so much better for the country if Hillary would have won in 2008 and passed the torch to Obama in 2016. She would have never put up with their games and knew exactly who they were.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)What he failed at demonstrably and absolutely was the inability to grow the party and put on his "walking shoes."
We will see if these new faces will grow the party by fighting for others.
What is important about tonight is how many Democrats are quickly conceding and putting their support behind the new people.
shanny
(6,709 posts)because of what some old crank said about her?
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Or at least, they consider Sarandon's judgment to be more important than their own.
Seems kind of warped to me, but everyone gets to make their choices as they see fit.
For my part, I don't think anyone has either infallibility or reverse infallibility.
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)and move forward to take back the House and Senate. Are you?
Congrats, A O-C!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)rpannier
(24,336 posts)But, I'm with you on Sarandon
zentrum
(9,865 posts)MarkEzra
(27 posts)Sure I love Nancy. Now please, I'm 70 years old, and I'm saying it's time to help our young Democrats with your wisdom. Give up the reins and whisper in their ears and watch the country rush to our Fresh, New Democratic party!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)We need young fighters with the old guard mentoring them. That is how the best situations work.
KPN
(15,649 posts)democrank
(11,100 posts)She ran a solid bottom-up campaign and was rewarded for it.
SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)
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Puzzler
(2,505 posts)-Puzzler
KPN
(15,649 posts)distressing day. This is wonderful news. The changing of the guard is underway.