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PunkinPi

(4,878 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 06:26 AM Jun 2018

NYT Opinion: We Have a Crisis of Democracy, Not Manners by Michelle Goldberg

It’s a little more complicated when the professional racist is the president of the United States. The norms of our political life require a degree of bipartisan forbearance. But treating members of Donald Trump’s administration as ordinary public officials rather than pariahs does more to normalize bigotry than exercising alongside a white separatist.

Naturally, all this has led to lots of pained disapproval from self-appointed guardians of civility. A Washington Post editorial urged the protesters to think about the precedent they are setting. “How hard is it to imagine, for example, people who strongly believe that abortion is murder deciding that judges or other officials who protect abortion rights should not be able to live peaceably with their families?” it asked.

Of course, this is not hard to imagine at all, since abortion opponents have assassinated abortion providers in their homes and churches, firebombed their clinics and protested at their children’s schools. The Roman Catholic Church has shamed politicians who support abortion rights by denying them communion. The failure to acknowledge this history is a sign of the reflexive false balance that makes it hard for the mainstream media to grapple with the asymmetric extremism of the Republican Party.

Whether or not you think public shaming should be happening, it’s important to understand why it’s happening. It’s less a result of a breakdown in civility than a breakdown of democracy. Though it’s tiresome to repeat it, Donald Trump eked out his minority victory with help from a hostile foreign power. He has ruled exclusively for his vengeful supporters, who love the way he terrifies, outrages and humiliates their fellow citizens. Trump installed the right-wing Neil Gorsuch in the Supreme Court seat that Republicans stole from Barack Obama. Gorsuch, in turn, has been the fifth vote in decisions on voter roll purges and, on Monday, racial gerrymandering that will further entrench minority rule.

Sometimes, their strategies may be poorly conceived. But there’s an abusive sort of victim-blaming in demanding that progressives single-handedly uphold civility, lest the right become even more uncivil in response. As long as our rulers wage war on cosmopolitan culture, they shouldn’t feel entitled to its fruits. If they don’t want to hear from the angry citizens they’re supposed to serve, let them eat at Trump Grill.

Read more - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/trump-sarah-huckabee-sanders-restaurant-civility.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion


Good piece, bolding mine, not a long read.
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NYT Opinion: We Have a Crisis of Democracy, Not Manners by Michelle Goldberg (Original Post) PunkinPi Jun 2018 OP
Tiresome to repeat it? Nuclear Pyle Jun 2018 #1
No. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #2
It hasn't. I added it to my post, too. Cha Jun 2018 #4
It's not, and it should be repeated everyday, all day imo. nt PunkinPi Jun 2018 #6
Yes! I imagine the WaPo Ed Board Can LEARN Cha Jun 2018 #3
You're welcome, Cha. PunkinPi Jun 2018 #5
It's a great piece.. I like the way Michelle Cha Jun 2018 #7
Yes, she and Charles Blow are two of my favorite NYT Opinion writers. nt PunkinPi Jun 2018 #8
THAT is a very well-written statement of reality. pangaia Jun 2018 #9
"let them eat at Trump Grill." aeromanKC Jun 2018 #10
It was coup and we had and still have treason Botany Jun 2018 #11
The hideous administration and the equally as hideous supporters... Guilded Lilly Jun 2018 #12
Excellent! Kick and recommend.. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #13
excellent article NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #14
An excellent piece! mcar Jun 2018 #15
Oooh, good one - here's a meme RandomAccess Jun 2018 #16
Excellent, thanks for adding! nt PunkinPi Jun 2018 #17
That's the money quote right there. Tatiana Jun 2018 #18
 

Nuclear Pyle

(51 posts)
1. Tiresome to repeat it?
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 06:32 AM
Jun 2018
"Donald Trump eked out his minority victory with help from a hostile foreign power." I don't think that's been repeated nearly enough.

Cha

(297,624 posts)
3. Yes! I imagine the WaPo Ed Board Can LEARN
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 06:40 AM
Jun 2018

from the NYT's writer Michelle Goldberg.

I think the WaPo board jumped the gun and fell flat on their collective face.

"It's a little more complicated when the professional racist is the president of the United States. The norms of our political life require a degree of bipartisan forbearance. But treating members of Donald Trump’s administration as ordinary public officials rather than pariahs does more to normalize bigotry than exercising alongside a white separatist.

"It’s less a result of a breakdown in civility than a breakdown of democracy. Though it’s tiresome to repeat it, Donald Trump eked out his minority victory with help from a hostile foreign power. He has ruled exclusively for his vengeful supporters, who love the way he terrifies, outrages and humiliates their fellow citizens. Trump installed the right-wing Neil Gorsuch in the Supreme Court seat that Republicans stole from Barack Obama. Gorsuch, in turn, has been the fifth vote in decisions on voter roll purges and, on Monday, racial gerrymandering that will further entrench minority rule.

"If they don’t want to hear from the angry citizens they’re supposed to serve, let them eat at Trump Grill."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/trump-sarah-huckabee-sanders-restaurant-civility.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion

That's exactly right.. they're suppose to serve Us.. not serving their fucking Russian overlords.

Mahalo, Punkin Pi!



pangaia

(24,324 posts)
9. THAT is a very well-written statement of reality.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 07:26 AM
Jun 2018

We need to show this to any of our Dem MOC and other politicians who soft pedal what is happening.

Thank you

aeromanKC

(3,327 posts)
10. "let them eat at Trump Grill."
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 07:28 AM
Jun 2018

Eat at own risk!! Recent Health Inspection (dated 1/18) Mar a Lago had 15 Health Violations.

Botany

(70,579 posts)
11. It was coup and we had and still have treason
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 07:48 AM
Jun 2018

How did McConnell know that by blocking Garland he would get
a different person after the election?


"Trump installed the right-wing Neil Gorsuch in the Supreme Court seat that
Republicans stole from Barack Obama."

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
12. The hideous administration and the equally as hideous supporters...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:37 AM
Jun 2018

have practiced the bullying and destruction of decency and have openly and crassly mocked the rule of law and their “0pposition” with no accountability. None. It has been decades in the making and we have arrived at the Perfect Storm level of danger.

For whatever reasons high-road tactics legislative Democrats have embraced, it isn’t working. Mostly because Republicans and their repulsive followers don’t have ANY character or concern for American values as long as they get their putrid agenda passed and big money in the pockets of their gods.
They are quite at home on the pond scum levels they prefer.

Ms. “I’m too distant and mannequin-cool to be blamed for anything” Melania’s coat said everything we need to to know about the content of their character as well as giving us a very simple answer to their repulsive and arrogant...Do you?

The Republicans and Cretin supporters are getting away with murder. Figuratively and literally. They are thieves. They are cheats. They are the nastiest, soulless liars in our history ( and that history is rife with plenty of lies) They count on the less combative and higher road nature of Democrats to always back down or off.

If we as citizens and humans don’t get in their fucking faces and make daily existence out beyond the halls of their hallowed halls of horror in Congress and the foully stained White House extremely uncomfortable and angrily hold them rightfully accountable, we will LOSE OUR COUNTRY.
WE. The people. WILL LOSE. The domestic terrorists will win. What we have lost already is overwhelming while we wait.

Putting all the eggs into Mueller’s painstakingly slowly filling basket is not going to staunch the flow of reeking crap that is being hourly shoved down our throats until we choke.

Voting IS a must. Primo. And we have to vote in massive numbers to combat the corruption, treason, and foreign Control. But we have to make their shameful daily existence unbearable for them in non-violent, but relentless ways. We have the numbers. They can always go lower, as they prove time and again. We can always still stay on a higher ground than any of them. But we have to fight back!

In their faces. In their lives beyond reality TV sound bites. In the living, breathing world they love to destroy for everyone else. Now.

mountain grammy

(26,648 posts)
13. Excellent! Kick and recommend..
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:40 AM
Jun 2018

The NYT schools the NYT.. This: "It’s less a result of a breakdown in civility than a breakdown of democracy."

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
14. excellent article
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:53 AM
Jun 2018

thanks for sharing it

Loved this piece as well:

millions and millions of Americans watch helplessly as the president cages children, dehumanizes immigrants, spurns other democracies, guts health care protections, uses his office to enrich himself and turns public life into a deranged phantasmagoria with his incontinent flood of lies.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
18. That's the money quote right there.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jun 2018

So WE'RE supposed to uphold civility, but the Republicans can still do whatever the hell they want?

We need to very loudly tell them to get out of here with that bull$hit.

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