Are we lowering our standard of civil contempt?

[imanamerican63]

Whether the blame, the cause, or outcome? We all need to step back and evaluate where we as a nation are headed! I get that things are getting worse, due to the fool in the White House, but when we gripe more about what they did and then turn around doing & say something just as bad is highly hypocritical. We can't allow the fool to drag us in deeper. Yes, resisting them is good plan, but we need to show more civility. We have class & they don't!

[tulipsandroses]

1. Sorry but I don't think this is about class - not when we are dealing with white supremacists

If others choose to show them good manners , fine. I refuse. I am going to paraphrase Ali Velshi - Civility is a 2 way street - Don't expect to be treated with civility when you don't acknowledge the other person's humanity. If that makes me a hypocrite according to Democrats or whomever, so be it. These are dangerous people. I am not going to play nice or be civil.

[kcr]

2. When we say something "just as bad?"

See, I think making that claim right there that it's just as bad is helping Trump and is far more damaging than anything any Trump protester does. You want to support these white supremacists and let them have their cozy, comfortable life and normalize them while claiming the Trump resistance is just as bad? Get out of here.

[imanamerican63]

4. I am not supporting any of those racists!

What I am pointing out is that we need show our hand in other ways.

[Orsino]

5. I don't think you and I get to determine how others react to gross misconduct and fascist lies.

The degree of debasement the Executive Branch has undergone guarantees a certain amount of incivility, particularly in online discourse.

And the ones splitting up families, dismantling the UN and crashing the economy are the bad guys.

[imanamerican63]

8. I am not talking about the family.

I am talking about the words and actions of response. No where did I say I am good with those families. If you miss read my thread, I appreciate your point!

[Orsino]

10. You're asking for civility in response to atrocity.

I don't believe that you're an apologist for TrumpCrimes, but your request does not strike me as reasonable. Destroying lives is going to get him and his lackeys some insults, and the worse their crimes are, the less measured our responses will be, on the average--and the less wise our more passionate answers become.

"Be better than them" is great advice, but name-calling isn't as bad as what the Administration is attempting.

[LanternWaste]

3. Don't pretend asking a patron to leave is any way an equivalent of breaking up refugee families.

This particular false equivalency has been thrown at the wall, and fallen off with little more but the sound of dashed expectations as it hit the floor.

Pretending a false equivalency exists is both absurd and suspect at this point... and it lacks the "class" you seem concerned about.

[meadowlander]

6. +1

2000+ kids who may never see their parents again versus SHS having to eat at a different restaurant is not "we're being just as mean as they are, stop you guys!"

[GeorgeGist]

7. What is 'our standard of civil contempt'?

[bdamomma]

9. ok SHS

was asked to leave and she obliged correct?

Now I would have loved if it was Stephen Miller but wasn't he asked to leave a Mexican restaurant last week is called trolling which he was doing?? Go for the antagonists.

[SidDithers]

11. Fuck 'em...nt

Sid

[haele]

12. No. Being Civil does not mean you let people get harrassed, slandered, and targeted.

Being Civil means that you accept the responsibility of living in a civil society, which includes protecting it against threats.

It's not a suicide pact to be part of a society.

Haele

[Thomas Hurt]

13. The right believes they are heros in a spiritual, social, and ideological war.

There is an amorphous enemy explained by huge conspiracies and scapegoating.

Being civil is showing weakness, disagreement is treason.

Unless you believe in their ideological myth you against God.

They have no doubts. They have no shame for their hypocrisy or their lies. It is all part of the war and justified.

[maxrandb]

14. Nice "Both-Siderism" there

Polling your employees and politely letting Hungry-Hungry Sarah (seriously, someone with some computing skills needs to make a Hungry-Hungry Sarah game based on Hungry-Hungry Hippos) know that she won't be served...and comping her cheese plate, is just as bad as supporting the kidnapping of infants and children???

Seriously?????

[FSogol]

18. +1, exactly. N/T

[maxrandb]

15. BTW

I'm not sure if my contempt for these folks...the regard that I hold them in...COULD BE ANY LOWER

[spanone]

16. How can we be civil when dealing with 100% incivility?

was 'womp womp' civil?

was trump's 'get the sonofabitch out of here' civil?

is tearing children from their parents civil?

is taking healthcare / re-instating pre-existing conditions civil?

and on, and on, and on....

should we say please?

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. "doing & say something just as bad " - fuck that. What a load of bullshit.

No, no Democrat, or anyone who can remotely be called "us" has done anything remotely as bad as Trump and his regime.

Get a grip. Get yourself a sense of perspective. Read the news before you think you're qualified to pontificate on it. And don't pretend you have any right to call "us" "hypocritical". And you'll have to change your tune before you can claim to be showing "class".

[FSogol]

19. +1 n/t

[bigtree]

20. at what point is it self defense?

...I ask that, because a great deal of serious injustice and injury done does not abate or cease in the face of 'civility.'

[sarcasmo]

21. If you don't stand up now, Fascism wins.

[lame54]

22. While we discuss civility they are ushering in fascism...

it creeps in and then it's there

we are well into creep mode

The dem leaders are not doing nearly enough to derail it

it is now in the streets

how is playing nicey-nice going to help us?

[0rganism]

23. only for Republicans, Democrats are expected to be polite at all times

Democrat? well, you need to be calm, respectful, generous, tolerant, and forgiving at all times
Republican? do whatever you want, be as aggressive and douchebaggy as your spleen suggests, put on a show of unfiltered rudeness to entertain and delight your core supporters and the media