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bigtree

(85,999 posts)
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 10:47 AM Jun 2018

We know what the next atrocity is. These child internment camps will become adoption mills.

Last edited Sun Jun 24, 2018, 11:40 AM - Edit history (3)

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...in many ways, it's already effectively occurring with so many parents summarily deported without the children that the U.S. govt. took from them and scattered all across the country without any clear paper trail back to their parents.

Anyway, Pam Sugg has an interesting collection of threads about "'Bethany Christian Services' (known for adoption services) in Michigan with strong ties to DeVos family":

Pams @pammsugg Jun 20
💥Thread^^. Why isn’t nbcnews also reporting the complaints about Bethany Christian Services? Why are immigrant children being sent to this or any adoption agency?! So trump’s immigrant separation policy was to force adoptions of stolen children for profit?
#wherearethechildren














more:





conjecture on this tweet, but very believable:



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We know what the next atrocity is. These child internment camps will become adoption mills. (Original Post) bigtree Jun 2018 OP
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Jun 2018 #1
didn't one of the trumpanistas have onethatcares Jun 2018 #2
in a way, it relates. Adoption is big business, and demand is outstripping availability. bigtree Jun 2018 #6
Of course, it's all about the money tecelote Jun 2018 #20
Surely there will thousands of Trumpinistas... 3catwoman3 Jun 2018 #3
But they make fantastic organ donors. LiberalArkie Jun 2018 #4
Agreed. Corgigal Jun 2018 #8
the people who profit from this are worse than racist bigtree Jun 2018 #9
If they're raised in white right wing evangelical families, they will probably vote that way. yardwork Jun 2018 #10
But there are plenty of pimps and sweatshop owners who wouldn't mind sandensea Jun 2018 #19
Adopted or not... wcmagumba Jun 2018 #5
» bigtree Jun 2018 #7
Oh yes, yes PatSeg Jun 2018 #11
or made into work camps duforsure Jun 2018 #12
Stockholm Syndrome. These kids will find the internet and woe to the kidnappers OhNo-Really Jun 2018 #13
assimilation bigtree Jun 2018 #15
Naomi Klein's shock and awe capitalism at its best... PatrickforO Jun 2018 #14
Seems to me it is akin to the the outright selling of human cargo that Enoki33 Jun 2018 #16
Or labor camps rocktivity Jun 2018 #17
There was just a story being rehashed from 2012 about a woman losing custody of her child ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #18
right. That story should be shared out bigtree Jun 2018 #21
I hate the title here ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #22

onethatcares

(16,173 posts)
2. didn't one of the trumpanistas have
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 10:52 AM
Jun 2018

a meeting with a Russian about adoptions?

that's just weird............

bigtree

(85,999 posts)
6. in a way, it relates. Adoption is big business, and demand is outstripping availability.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 11:26 AM
Jun 2018

from Vox:

____Interest in foreign adoptions had been surging, in part thanks to the mobilization of many evangelical churches, which embraced adoption as a calling, and also because natural or man-made disasters — such as the earthquake in Haiti or war and poverty in African countries such as Liberia and Ethiopia — led to increased interest in “rescuing” foreign children. Hundreds of new, mission-driven adoption organizations had sprung up, and many would-be adoptive parents became politicized as they encountered a burdensome and costly process.

Simultaneously, the hard numbers of international adoptions were steadily falling, as they had been since their peak in 2004. The overall numbers of international adoptions today are a quarter of what they were in ’04, and the decline hasn’t been greeted quietly. The State Department, which oversees international adoptions, has been besieged with complaints. Advocates warned of an “adoption cliff,” and some pro-adoption activist groups staged colorful protests, like the 2013 “Empty Stroller March,” to call attention to prospective adoptive families mired in red tape and delays.

What was happening in the adoption marketplace? Essentially, the demand for foreign babies was outstripping a shrinking supply. As US adoptive families increasingly began looking abroad, many developing nations began to scale back their adoption programs. The plunge didn’t happen all at once. It began slowly after 2004, followed by a steep drop after Guatemalan adoption law reforms in 2007-’08 effectively halted international adoptions in that country — following widespread fears of corruption and adoption-related crime.


China, long the top “sending” country, scaled back its international program in part because of increased domestic demand, as its middle class grew. Ethiopia briefly suspended its program in 2011 over concerns that children were being offered for adoption by poor people who didn’t understand Western adoption practices. And the US itself halted most adoptions from other countries, including Cambodia, Nepal, and Vietnam, over fears of corruption and baby buying.

US families are looking abroad in the first place because of changing mores and laws surrounding unwed parenthood, reproductive health care, and abortion. (During the pre-Roe era of widespread maternity homes, nearly 20 percent of unmarried white women who became pregnant relinquished their children for adoption. There have long been fewer relinquishments among unwed mothers of color, who, during those years, had the mixed blessing of being less likely to be pressured into adoption but more likely to face other forms of reproductive control and abuse.)

more: https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/21/16005500/adoption-russia-us-orphans-abuse-trump

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
20. Of course, it's all about the money
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:37 PM
Jun 2018

Republicans only care about one thing. Everything is secondary to making a profit.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
8. Agreed.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:13 PM
Jun 2018

So we use it against the racist. How is keep brown children, instead of returning with their parents gonna keep America white? Maybe my math is wrong.

Boo!

bigtree

(85,999 posts)
9. the people who profit from this are worse than racist
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:20 PM
Jun 2018

...they exploit foreign families for profit.

It is an interesting political point about the demographics of remaining children and how that may be viewed by those folks cheering this on (folks who NEVER benefit from the divisiveness their political class is selling them), but it's hard to press without falling into their racial diatribe.

I'd keep it under my hat.

yardwork

(61,661 posts)
10. If they're raised in white right wing evangelical families, they will probably vote that way.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:37 PM
Jun 2018

Alternately, they'll be treated as slaves by their adoptive families. Either way, they are severed from their birth families and birth culture, sold to white evangelicals.

It's the Handmaid's Tale. This has happened before in U.S. history. Trump's supporters want to go back to the days of slavery and genocide.

sandensea

(21,639 posts)
19. But there are plenty of pimps and sweatshop owners who wouldn't mind
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:36 PM
Jun 2018

And Cheeto probably knows many of them on a first-name basis.

wcmagumba

(2,886 posts)
5. Adopted or not...
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 11:22 AM
Jun 2018

this is part of a sick plan for these "christian" groups to get
new little converts to brainwash and enslave to their wacked
up ideas...even better that they are brown skinned as they
can be trained to proselytize others like themselves. Crazy,
I know, but not beyond possibility...plus all the profits they
will make from our tax dollars...imo

PatSeg

(47,515 posts)
11. Oh yes, yes
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:41 PM
Jun 2018

That popped in my head when this all became public. Why travel to a foreign country to adopt a child when the Trump administration can bring them here? Steal them and sell them!

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
12. or made into work camps
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:43 PM
Jun 2018

after they do like the communist do , indoctrinate them and brainwash them. Probably already doing that by telling them lies, like they were abandon by their parents, or something untrue to hurt them with, and make them feel like they'll save them, like trump does all the time.

bigtree

(85,999 posts)
15. assimilation
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:01 PM
Jun 2018

...Indian children taken from families in our nation's past, comes to mind.


By 1902 there were twenty-five federally funded non-reservation schools across fifteen states and territories with a total enrollment of over 6,000. Although federal legislation made education compulsory for Native Americans, removing students from reservations required parental authorization. Officials coerced parents into releasing a quota of students from any given reservation.

Once the new students arrived at the boarding schools, their lives altered drastically. They were usually given new haircuts, uniforms of European-American style clothes, and even new English names, sometimes based on their own, other times assigned at random. They could no longer speak their own languages, even with each other. They were expected to attend Christian churches. Their lives were run by the strict orders of their teachers, and it often included grueling chores and stiff punishments.

An Indian boarding school was one of many schools that were established in the United States during the late 19th century to educate Native American youths according to American standards. In some areas, these schools were primarily run by missionaries. Especially given the young age of some of the children sent to the schools, they have been documented as traumatic experiences for many of the children who attended them. They were generally forbidden to speak their native languages, taught Christianity instead of their native religions, and in numerous other ways forced to abandon their Indian identity and adopt American culture. Many cases of mental and sexual abuse have been documented, as in North Dakota.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_assimilation_of_Native_Americans#cite_note-perdue-3

PatrickforO

(14,578 posts)
14. Naomi Klein's shock and awe capitalism at its best...
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:59 PM
Jun 2018

allowing these maggots to eke out the uttermost farthing of profit from human suffering.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
16. Seems to me it is akin to the the outright selling of human cargo that
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:18 PM
Jun 2018

occurred centuries ago - just more sophisticated. This vile administration once again reminds us of the ugliest parts of mankind’s history.

ismnotwasm

(41,992 posts)
18. There was just a story being rehashed from 2012 about a woman losing custody of her child
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:36 PM
Jun 2018

She was from Guatemala and her baby had been adopted out. White people got to keep the kid, now 5. I guess now 11. The way is already in place.

bigtree

(85,999 posts)
21. right. That story should be shared out
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:47 PM
Jun 2018

...it has all the elements of the human tragedy Trump is exacerbating and escalating.

Foster families wanting to keep these children permanently have a huge edge over the actual parents, in proximity to locations where the cases are adjudicated, to the fact that most parents will not be able to meet the requirements for custody.

The unfairness in our govt. prosecuting their parents as criminals, precipitating the separation, and placing the children well out of their reach or influence can't be understated. The US is effectively kidnapping these children and setting them up for eventual adoption.

Whatever the motive (and there is a dirty trail of money behind these group homes and foster agencies receiving these kids), this is an abomination, made even more egregious by the president of the United States openly slurring and degrading the character and reputation of these people seeking refuge.

ismnotwasm

(41,992 posts)
22. I hate the title here
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:58 PM
Jun 2018
Tug-of-Love: Immigrant Mom Loses Effort to Regain Son Given to US Parents

In a controversial case that involved the rights of illegal immigrants and their young children, a Guatemalan mother lost her effort today to get back the five-year old son who was taken away from her after her arrest on immigration charges and put up for adoption in Missouri despite her objections.

A Missouri judge ruled the boy should stay with the Missouri couple, Melinda and Seth Moser, who took him into their home five years ago while his mother was in federal custody, where she attempted in vain to oppose the adoption proceedings.


"Nobody could help me because I don't speak English," said Encarnacion Bail Romero in an interview with ABC News.

The child, born as Carlos but renamed Jamison by the Mosers, has been with his adoptive parents in Carthage, Missouri since the age of 11 months.


https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/immigrant-mom-loses-effort-regain-son-us-parents/story?id=16803067
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