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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe know what the next atrocity is. These child internment camps will become adoption mills.
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...in many ways, it's already effectively occurring with so many parents summarily deported without the children that the U.S. govt. took from them and scattered all across the country without any clear paper trail back to their parents.
Anyway, Pam Sugg has an interesting collection of threads about "'Bethany Christian Services' (known for adoption services) in Michigan with strong ties to DeVos family":
Pams @pammsugg Jun 20
💥Thread^^. Why isnt nbcnews also reporting the complaints about Bethany Christian Services? Why are immigrant children being sent to this or any adoption agency?! So trumps immigrant separation policy was to force adoptions of stolen children for profit?
#wherearethechildren
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malaise
(269,066 posts)NOW
onethatcares
(16,173 posts)a meeting with a Russian about adoptions?
that's just weird............
bigtree
(85,999 posts)from Vox:
____Interest in foreign adoptions had been surging, in part thanks to the mobilization of many evangelical churches, which embraced adoption as a calling, and also because natural or man-made disasters such as the earthquake in Haiti or war and poverty in African countries such as Liberia and Ethiopia led to increased interest in rescuing foreign children. Hundreds of new, mission-driven adoption organizations had sprung up, and many would-be adoptive parents became politicized as they encountered a burdensome and costly process.
Simultaneously, the hard numbers of international adoptions were steadily falling, as they had been since their peak in 2004. The overall numbers of international adoptions today are a quarter of what they were in 04, and the decline hasnt been greeted quietly. The State Department, which oversees international adoptions, has been besieged with complaints. Advocates warned of an adoption cliff, and some pro-adoption activist groups staged colorful protests, like the 2013 Empty Stroller March, to call attention to prospective adoptive families mired in red tape and delays.
What was happening in the adoption marketplace? Essentially, the demand for foreign babies was outstripping a shrinking supply. As US adoptive families increasingly began looking abroad, many developing nations began to scale back their adoption programs. The plunge didnt happen all at once. It began slowly after 2004, followed by a steep drop after Guatemalan adoption law reforms in 2007-08 effectively halted international adoptions in that country following widespread fears of corruption and adoption-related crime.
China, long the top sending country, scaled back its international program in part because of increased domestic demand, as its middle class grew. Ethiopia briefly suspended its program in 2011 over concerns that children were being offered for adoption by poor people who didnt understand Western adoption practices. And the US itself halted most adoptions from other countries, including Cambodia, Nepal, and Vietnam, over fears of corruption and baby buying.
US families are looking abroad in the first place because of changing mores and laws surrounding unwed parenthood, reproductive health care, and abortion. (During the pre-Roe era of widespread maternity homes, nearly 20 percent of unmarried white women who became pregnant relinquished their children for adoption. There have long been fewer relinquishments among unwed mothers of color, who, during those years, had the mixed blessing of being less likely to be pressured into adoption but more likely to face other forms of reproductive control and abuse.)
more: https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/21/16005500/adoption-russia-us-orphans-abuse-trump
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Republicans only care about one thing. Everything is secondary to making a profit.
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)...flocking to adopt these brown children, right?
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)So we use it against the racist. How is keep brown children, instead of returning with their parents gonna keep America white? Maybe my math is wrong.
Boo!
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...they exploit foreign families for profit.
It is an interesting political point about the demographics of remaining children and how that may be viewed by those folks cheering this on (folks who NEVER benefit from the divisiveness their political class is selling them), but it's hard to press without falling into their racial diatribe.
I'd keep it under my hat.
yardwork
(61,661 posts)Alternately, they'll be treated as slaves by their adoptive families. Either way, they are severed from their birth families and birth culture, sold to white evangelicals.
It's the Handmaid's Tale. This has happened before in U.S. history. Trump's supporters want to go back to the days of slavery and genocide.
sandensea
(21,639 posts)And Cheeto probably knows many of them on a first-name basis.
wcmagumba
(2,886 posts)this is part of a sick plan for these "christian" groups to get
new little converts to brainwash and enslave to their wacked
up ideas...even better that they are brown skinned as they
can be trained to proselytize others like themselves. Crazy,
I know, but not beyond possibility...plus all the profits they
will make from our tax dollars...imo
PatSeg
(47,515 posts)That popped in my head when this all became public. Why travel to a foreign country to adopt a child when the Trump administration can bring them here? Steal them and sell them!
duforsure
(11,885 posts)after they do like the communist do , indoctrinate them and brainwash them. Probably already doing that by telling them lies, like they were abandon by their parents, or something untrue to hurt them with, and make them feel like they'll save them, like trump does all the time.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)bigtree
(85,999 posts)...Indian children taken from families in our nation's past, comes to mind.
By 1902 there were twenty-five federally funded non-reservation schools across fifteen states and territories with a total enrollment of over 6,000. Although federal legislation made education compulsory for Native Americans, removing students from reservations required parental authorization. Officials coerced parents into releasing a quota of students from any given reservation.
Once the new students arrived at the boarding schools, their lives altered drastically. They were usually given new haircuts, uniforms of European-American style clothes, and even new English names, sometimes based on their own, other times assigned at random. They could no longer speak their own languages, even with each other. They were expected to attend Christian churches. Their lives were run by the strict orders of their teachers, and it often included grueling chores and stiff punishments.
An Indian boarding school was one of many schools that were established in the United States during the late 19th century to educate Native American youths according to American standards. In some areas, these schools were primarily run by missionaries. Especially given the young age of some of the children sent to the schools, they have been documented as traumatic experiences for many of the children who attended them. They were generally forbidden to speak their native languages, taught Christianity instead of their native religions, and in numerous other ways forced to abandon their Indian identity and adopt American culture. Many cases of mental and sexual abuse have been documented, as in North Dakota.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_assimilation_of_Native_Americans#cite_note-perdue-3
PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)allowing these maggots to eke out the uttermost farthing of profit from human suffering.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)occurred centuries ago - just more sophisticated. This vile administration once again reminds us of the ugliest parts of mankinds history.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Which they're trying to turn privatized prisons into.
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ismnotwasm
(41,992 posts)She was from Guatemala and her baby had been adopted out. White people got to keep the kid, now 5. I guess now 11. The way is already in place.
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...it has all the elements of the human tragedy Trump is exacerbating and escalating.
Foster families wanting to keep these children permanently have a huge edge over the actual parents, in proximity to locations where the cases are adjudicated, to the fact that most parents will not be able to meet the requirements for custody.
The unfairness in our govt. prosecuting their parents as criminals, precipitating the separation, and placing the children well out of their reach or influence can't be understated. The US is effectively kidnapping these children and setting them up for eventual adoption.
Whatever the motive (and there is a dirty trail of money behind these group homes and foster agencies receiving these kids), this is an abomination, made even more egregious by the president of the United States openly slurring and degrading the character and reputation of these people seeking refuge.
ismnotwasm
(41,992 posts)In a controversial case that involved the rights of illegal immigrants and their young children, a Guatemalan mother lost her effort today to get back the five-year old son who was taken away from her after her arrest on immigration charges and put up for adoption in Missouri despite her objections.
A Missouri judge ruled the boy should stay with the Missouri couple, Melinda and Seth Moser, who took him into their home five years ago while his mother was in federal custody, where she attempted in vain to oppose the adoption proceedings.
"Nobody could help me because I don't speak English," said Encarnacion Bail Romero in an interview with ABC News.
The child, born as Carlos but renamed Jamison by the Mosers, has been with his adoptive parents in Carthage, Missouri since the age of 11 months.
https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/immigrant-mom-loses-effort-regain-son-us-parents/story?id=16803067