Trumpists Are Suffering the Free Market Consequences Of Being Deplorable

[workinclasszero]

by David Atkins June 23, 2018

But deplorables are not a protected class. Jordan Peterson’s bleatings notwithstanding, liberal women are under no social or moral compulsion to provide romance and sex to misogynistic men. Honduran cooks are under no obligation to serve food to those who want to rip Central American kids out of their parents’ arms and put them in cages. Cosmpolitan cities have no responsibility to create safe spaces for people who reject their values and want to gerrymander them out of representation in government.

The far edges of the conservatives movement often fantasize about a second civil war with the American left, imaging multi-racial shock troops coming to rural areas to extract taxes and confiscate guns, facing a local insurgency with a rifle behind every duck blind. But that Red Dawn scenario has no bearing to a plausible dystopian reality. The real situation is the reverse: conservatives want the social and economic benefits that come from ecumenical urbanism, but they want to retain the deep bigotries and social privileges that come from provincialism. They want the right to enact zoning and social policies that discriminate against protected class minorities in their own communities, but they want not to suffer the cultural consequences of those views in liberal cities.

That’s not how freedom works. As America grows increasingly tolerant and multicultural millennial values overtake those of squarer older generations, Trump-style conservatives will find themselves ever more on the outside looking in–especially as long as their paragons continue to run the country in ways that severely prejudice and harm women, young people, minorities and city dwellers.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/06/23/trumpists-are-suffering-the-free-market-consequences-of-being-deplorable/

[jodymarie aimee]

1. No,

we ALL are.

[workinclasszero]

3. True

But the Trump cultists are pissed because their victims aren't congratulating them for their vile racism and hate.

Who knew being a scumball POS GOPer had consequences huh?

[calimary]

12. Hey, if a homophobic cake baker can have rights,

then so does a restaurateur who doesn’t want to serve nasty bigoted liars.

[workinclasszero]

14. Damn right!

But they call their legal discrimination, "religious rights" so they can be racist, sexist, homophobic, w/e with impunity and the rest of us are suppose to agree with it and even praise them for it!


Those racist snowflakes can fuck right off! Welcome to the REAL MAJORITY America Trump cultists!

[WinstonSmith4740]

16. Fuckin' A!

I'm loving that these bigots are having it handed right back to them. And as for their "religious rights" to be a bigot...well, if you read the statement made by the owner of that restaurant, those were firmly held beliefs on her part. You don't have to go to church to have ethics and morals. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210779137

[ck4829]

2. The thing is, they don't want a free market

They want preferential treatment, heck, I always say if it was guaranteed people darker, more liberal, poorer than them, or Muslim-ier than them could be explicitly denied from government programs; Trumpists would definitely support things everyone else would call communism.

[workinclasszero]

4. Yup

They are the poster children for white privilege and people in DC and elsewhere aren't giving it to the snowflakes.

[Marthe48]

5. I hear that conservatives are getting old and

dying off. But when I watch the news, I see a lot of young faces in the racist bigot crowds. And young criminals committing crimes against individuals because of color, religion, perceived sexual orientation.

We have been fighting against racism and other forms of bias for time out of mind. Why is it still part of our make-up?

[kimbutgar]

15. These are the kids who grew up with Fox on in their families homes

They’ve been brainwashed into the cult. But as they get shunned and perceived as losers among those their age they might come around.

The older folks are too stubborn at this point to change and will never be able change they are the goners.

[rickford66]

6. Not baking a cake and not serving lunch.

Newton's Third Law still applies in so many ways. But some people don't believe in science.

[pazzyanne]

8. As my grandmother would have said,

"What is good for the goose is also good for the gander." Gram was a sufferagette in her day. She did not have the right to vote until she was 22 years old. She raised us to appreciate the right to vote and what real patriotism is all about.

[PatSeg]

7. Trump's base

wants Freedom of ________ for them, not for you.

Everything in their world is subjective. They appear to be incapable, certainly unwilling, to view the world from anyone else's perspective. When they see someone else using food stamps, on unemployment, or collecting disability, that person is a loser and a leech. When THEY use government services, however, they are entitled, they earned it. I've seen this pattern in people throughout my life and the only that has changed, is it seems to be more prevalent.

[rickford66]

11. White privilege, lack of empathy and projection all apply to the right wing.

Our side suffers from voter apathy.

[PatSeg]

19. I remember this going way back

before we divided people into right or left wing. Riding on the train with comfortable white commuters, I'd hear some guy talking about how HE pulled himself up by the boot straps, "they" can too. By the look of some of these people, they never wanted for anything in their lives, but they are SO self reliant and self-made.

[PatSeg]

20. I've found

that liberals need a more passionate motivation than conservatives, who tend to do things out of habit. I include a younger version of myself as an often apathetic voter, often looking for inspiration before acting. As I got older, I realized that some things are necessary, even if they seem mundane and ordinary. Can't sit around waiting for the next FDR, (there was only one) and a less dynamic leader can be as valuable and effective in his or her own way.

We need to stop voting for personalities and start voting for experience and competence.

[rickford66]

21. Just because we achieve the ACA or abortion rights isn't enough.

"They" come along and chip away at them and keep moving the goal posts. "We" have the vast majority and approval of arguments on our side but are not as well organized as the moneyed few. Dems have to vote in every primary and off year election, local, state and national. Maybe this Trump era is just the motivation you say we need. The Blue Wave is our best hope for our future.

[PatSeg]

22. Yes I agree

When I am able to see the silver lining in all this mess, I realize that this might be what we need to really move forward progressive programs. We had eight years of a wonderful president, who was thwarted by republicans in almost everything he tried to accomplish. It would have been just as bad, if not worse with a President Hillary Clinton, which would have included endless congressional hearings and threats of impeachment. I've noticed that many times, things have to get much worse, before they can get better.

Yes, we need a major Blue Wave and it needs to be sustained for a relatively long period of time, so that republicans don't just come back and undo everything that is achieved.

[rickford66]

27. We need a "New Deal" that people grow up with and appreciate.

It'll take time but we have no choice. I've changed a few minds but the others are stone walls. We each do what we can.

[PatSeg]

31. Yes, the "New Deal" comes to mind

Sadly, many people have to suffer for long periods of time before they realize we must change and change now. Satisfied, complacent people rarely initiate radical change. FDR Democrats were dedicated and life long Democrats. They personally experienced what FDR's New Deal accomplished and were profoundly grateful.

Unfortunately for those who still "stone wall", revolutionary change is historically born from pain. Those of us who can see, know that that pain is on the horizon. For many it is already here and has been for a long time.

[workinclasszero]

13. You got them pegged all right

[Wounded Bear]

9. The hardest part of true freedom is giving it to someone else...

[PatSeg]

23. Yes, so true

As if there isn't enough for everyone!

[nolabels]

24. "Freedom just another word for nothing left to give."

[PatSeg]

25. I thought it was nothing left to lose

[nolabels]

28. Eventually we all have nothing to lose and that is why they say it's all in the giving

From the guy who they speculate about and only know a little bit of.

(snip)
On one occasion, Diogenes showed up at Plato’s academy to contest the famed philosopher’s definition of a human. Because Plato had once defined a human as a “featherless biped animal” (an intentionally broad definition), Diogenes arrived carrying a plucked fowl, crying, “Behold! I’ve brought you a man.”

On another occasion, a group of wealthy Athenians at a banquet began throwing bones at Diogenes, calling him a dog. Diogenes responded by lifting his leg and urinating on the banqueters.
(snip)

http://mentalfloss.com/article/73890/retrobituaries-diogenes-sinope-ancient-philosopher-who-lived-wine-barrel

[PatSeg]

32. Thanks

Diogenes must have been a fascinating guest!

[Eyeball_Kid]

30. It is. If I think of Janis, that song starts playing automatically in my head.

"Freedom's just another word for 'nothin' left to lose'." Such a beautiful flower of a person.

[PatSeg]

33. Yes, now the song will be playing in my head all day!

[heaven05]

10. I really don't care

how much they suffer. The brought this upon themselves. The children that will suffer because of their parents stupidity, hate and racism are another matter. I feel for them.

[Marcuse]

17. We are suffering the consequences of minority rule.

Republicans failed to win popular majorities in the Presidential, House and Senate vote totals.

[world wide wally]

18. The electoral college and gerrymandering are tools against democracy.

"IF" we ever have a Democratic control of government again, we have to erase both of these oppressive concepts and even go as far as outlawing them.

[DonCoquixote]

26. the red meat quote

The real situation is the reverse: conservatives want the social and economic benefits that come from ecumenical urbanism, but they want to retain the deep bigotries and social privileges that come from provincialism.

[gulliver]

29. Jordan Peterson wasn't saying that.

He's not saying that liberal women are under a "social or moral compulsion to provide romance and sex to misogynistic men." (I actually find the word "provide" in that sentence a little too objectifying in a sense, by the way. Women don't "provide" romance and sex; they aren't producers in a supply chain. Women "have" sex, "engage in" romance, and, yes, love, as do men. /quibble)

Peterson is arguing for people to value monogamy. Most people do anyway. Look around. Are they right? I tend to think so. When there are children involved (as Peterson makes very clear in his writings), staying with your partner becomes very, very important. Society should, in my opinion, encourage and support couples (and not just heterosexual couples) in staying together where children are involved.

Yes, Peterson said it badly by using the term "enforced monogamy." He later clarified. I do think it was an unforced bungle and he went over the "asshole" foul line on it. He's smart enough to know how it sounds. But the real point is a strong one, in my opinion.