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KelleyKramer

(8,969 posts)
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:40 AM Jun 2018

The Guardian - Inspired by Trump, the world could be heading back to the 1930s

Inspired by Trump, the world could be heading back to the 1930s

The US president tears children from parents, and in Europe his imitators dehumanise migrants. We know where such hatred leads

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/22/trump-world-1930s-children-parents-europe-migrants?CMP=share_btn_fb

You’ll remember Godwin’s law, which holds that the longer an online debate goes on, the likelier it is that someone will mention Hitler or the Nazis. It was an amusing observation and one that served a useful purpose, guarding against hyperbole and fatuous comparison. Except last August, as the American far right staged a torchlight parade in Charlottesville, Mike Godwin suspended his own law. “By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis,” he tweeted. “Again and again. I’m with you.”

Despite that dispensation, I’ve tended to abide by my own version of Godwin’s law. I try to avoid Nazi comparisons, chiefly because they’re almost always wrong and because, far from dramatising whatever horror is under way, they usually serve to minimise the one that killed millions in the 1940s. And yet, there’s a cost to such self-restraint. Because if the Nazi era is placed off limits, seen as so far outside the realm of regular human experience that it might as well have happened on a distant planet – Planet Auschwitz – then we risk failure to learn its lessons. That would be to squander the essential benefit offered by study of the Third Reich: an early warning system. So yes, when Donald Trump ordered US government agents on the southern border to separate migrant children from their parents, to tear screaming toddlers from their fathers and even to pull a baby from its mother’s breast, he was not re-enacting the Holocaust. He was not ordering the eradication of an entire people or sending millions to their deaths. But there were echoes. And we must hear them.

-snip-

But the echoes don’t end there. The wire cages. The guards telling weeping children they are forbidden from hugging each other. And then this chilling detail, reported by Texas Monthly. It turns out that US border guards don’t always tell parents they’re taking their children away. “Instead, the officers say, ‘I’m going to take your child to get bathed.’ The child goes off, and in a half-hour, 20 minutes, the parent inquires, ‘Where is my five-year-old?’ ‘Where’s my seven-year-old?’ ‘This is a long bath.’ And [the officer says], ‘You won’t be seeing your child again.’” It’s not the same as telling Jews about to die they are merely taking a shower, but in the use of deception the echo is loud.

And if the mechanics of this operation strike a familiar note, so too does the rhetoric and propaganda deployed by those behind it and defending it. You don’t have to go to back to 1930s Germany to know that the first step towards catastrophe is the dehumanisation of a reviled group. It happened that way in Rwanda and the Balkans in the 1990s, and it’s happening in today’s United States. “These aren’t people, these are animals,” the US president said last month. They want “to pour into and infest our country”, he tweeted this week. “Infest” is a word reserved for rats and insects. This is the language of those seeking to choke off human sympathy, by suggesting those suffering are not even human.

Much more on the link

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/22/trump-world-1930s-children-parents-europe-migrants?CMP=share_btn_fb


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The Guardian - Inspired by Trump, the world could be heading back to the 1930s (Original Post) KelleyKramer Jun 2018 OP
"But there were echoes. And we must hear them." smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #1
inspired by hate and bigotry that is within mankind, trump and others use it foster the fear and it beachbum bob Jun 2018 #2
Calling people animals is a key step on the road to genocide. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #3
+1. History has a nasty habit of repeating itself dalton99a Jun 2018 #16
Putin: Mission Accomplished aeromanKC Jun 2018 #4
Putin created Trump as a tool. gordianot Jun 2018 #5
Don't kid yourself MFM008 Jun 2018 #6
Here is a border issue post I got from my evangelical trumper sister this morning. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #7
Which is why he is trying to start a global trade war OnlinePoker Jun 2018 #8
We must stop these people. zentrum Jun 2018 #9
Lots of Germans weren't Nazis, they just went along FakeNoose Jun 2018 #10
Putin bdamomma Jun 2018 #11
*Fear The Stranger* is the boiled down message. OxQQme Jun 2018 #12
bannon heaven05 Jun 2018 #13
So true and it is all powered by false patriotism. world wide wally Jun 2018 #14
K&R... spanone Jun 2018 #15
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
1. "But there were echoes. And we must hear them."
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:47 AM
Jun 2018

We ignore the similarities at our own peril. We are not Nazi Germany. Yet.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
2. inspired by hate and bigotry that is within mankind, trump and others use it foster the fear and it
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:52 AM
Jun 2018

can be countered but its not done without each one of us actively doing, instead of passively sitting by handwringing and complaining. A small group took over Germany in late 20's and was able to mobilize an entire country based on hate, bigotry and grandiose plan of world dominance. That could have been prevented by good people people taking action from the very get go.

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
6. Don't kid yourself
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 07:53 AM
Jun 2018

If they could get away with it they would do it.
Maggot is cut from the same colostomy bag as Adolph.
He envies the total power over life and death and sadistic torture to "enemies" Hitler accomplished.
But he's more Stalin than Hitler.
Stalin killed more of his own people.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
7. Here is a border issue post I got from my evangelical trumper sister this morning.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 08:27 AM
Jun 2018

"Here's an idea. The bleeding hearts should be responsible for housing them in their own homes and sharing their own resources with them. Always easy to be charitable when its with other people's money. There are channels to go through in order to cross borders. EVERY country has those channels and some shoot anyone on the spot for crossing the border without proper papers. The USA is the most charitable nation in the world already, so it would be nice if people would quit pretending we can solve every problem and support every illegal that has a sad story."

This is what we are dealing with when we try to engage trumpers with logic and compassion. By the way, when she engages with me, it is on her son's Face book page, she has blocked me. Blocked but just can't resist "poking the bear" so to speak. I no longer have any direct contact with her and don't want any.

OnlinePoker

(5,723 posts)
8. Which is why he is trying to start a global trade war
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 08:28 AM
Jun 2018

Stagnate the economy into another depression and then pick a marginal group to place the blame on.

FakeNoose

(32,656 posts)
10. Lots of Germans weren't Nazis, they just went along
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 08:32 AM
Jun 2018

People didn't understand that Hitler was crazy, they just thought he was going to fix their economy and get rid of the Communists. They believed the "other stuff" didn't matter so they ignored it, until it was too late. I guess we can understand those uninvolved Germans and maybe forgive them, but that was the 1930's.

We are not in the 1930's and we can see where all this is leading. Seeing patterns and connecting the dots, this doesn't take much guesswork. While I don't in any way believe that Cheeto has enough influence to wreck other countries, he can certainly wreck ours if we let him. He's already destroyed our standing in the free world and he'd like to do a lot more. The Republican Party is blind to all of it and many in the GOP are complicit, so they should go down too.

We Democrats, liberals and progressives will see that the job gets done. Trump and his group of traitors will be destroyed. Our new motto should be "Never again!"

bdamomma

(63,883 posts)
11. Putin
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 08:47 AM
Jun 2018

had always wanted to see the demise of the US, he's got it. And fucking tRump is delivering, this has been planned for a long time you think?

We will stop this, there are more of us who know history and the injustices that are placed on vulnerable people.

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
12. *Fear The Stranger* is the boiled down message.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 08:58 AM
Jun 2018

That would make an ugly bumper sticker.
It's been a prevalent underlying mantra like forever, it seems.
Well, except for the FDR and Obama times. Maybe in Clinton's times too.

"I'm like the smartest man in the world."

"Only I can protect and save you."

ugh

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
13. bannon
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 09:02 AM
Jun 2018

IS still advising the con man called potus. I just feel it. Miller being 'back' is part of the cabal of evil people, who along with their propaganda arms, the WH press office and Fox news, are trying to create the NPA still known, so far, as the GOP. EVERY other Main Stream amerikan Media outlet and the likes of hypocrites and liars, of Mika and joe ilk, are equally culpable.

Every repthugliKKKan in amerika wanted this extreme RW chaos, 'becky's', murder, execution, heartbreak misery and insanity.

A return to the bad old days where EVERY POC "knew their place" in the face of alleged white skin supremacy. Well swamp dwelling deplorables you got what you wanted. Yep I got what I wanted, the exact nature and approximate number of racists who have crawled out the stinking, swampy underbelly of ameriKKKa to now, after have been normalized by the above named media and potus, be able to impose their brown shit mentality on decent americans, POC primarily.

I served in the ameriKKKan military for this????? HELL THE FUCK, no.

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