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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSusan Sarandon joins the Ocasio team!
Link to tweet
(Ocasio is running a Primary against Democrat Joe Crowley (NY-14)
nycbos
(6,039 posts)Gothmog
(145,610 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)the better one. Good lord.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)Given that the house is on fire...primarying sitting Democrats is a foolish waste of time and money. Save the money to go after Republican held seats...if we don't take the house, we are screwed. And if he is with John Lewis...good enough for me. Fuck you Susan, the day I listen to one word from your heartless brainless self is the day hell freezes over.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)brush
(53,876 posts)And you're willing to go with someone she endorses OVER A SITTING DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE?
Puh-l-e-e-e-e-z-e!
Why would we want to make the repug candidate's chances better?
JCanete
(5,272 posts)elected. Since most of us see the danger of voting outside of the two-party system in the GE, this is the way things should be done in an effort to give us all a voice in who we elect. Sure, Sarandon has decided on numerous occasions not to support the democratic candidate in favor of a green party candidate. If she herself were up for election and you cited that as a reason for not voting for her, that would at least make a modicum of sense. But she is not the candidate in question here. To make up your mind on such a scant aspect of the whole is ridiculous.
And who says this makes the republicans chances better. There is no basis for that assertion. If Crowley is popular with his base he will win, if he is less popular than his challenger, then his challenger should probably be the one in the GE.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)still_one
(92,419 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,222 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)FSogol
(45,529 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)Gothmog
(145,610 posts)Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)After 2016. She lost all her credibility with her attacks on Hillary.
Cha
(297,705 posts)WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)I was confused and now I know why Nancy stood at his side. Now if only he'll have her back.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)as I hoped Ocasio Cortez would have a bright political future, but this shows horrible judgement on her part.
RandySF
(59,264 posts)She attaches herself to people like a barnacle to maintain exposure.
brush
(53,876 posts)NY_20th
(1,028 posts)brush
(53,876 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)The hell she wished on our country....
Fuck her.
trueblue2007
(17,240 posts)Paladin
(28,275 posts)dsc
(52,166 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Gothmog
(145,610 posts)oasis
(49,410 posts)Gothmog
(145,610 posts)oasis
(49,410 posts)a few years back. Huerta co-founded UFW with Cesar Chavez. Sarandon was all up in the elderly woman's face because she didn't back the candidate of her choice.
Gothmog
(145,610 posts)Huerta like John Lewis is a real hero
Gothmog
(145,610 posts)Sheis a true hero
oasis
(49,410 posts)She has extensive knowledge about the issues that affect the working poor by virtue of her decades long connections with those communities.
Sarandon should just butt out and get lost.
Gothmog
(145,610 posts)oasis
(49,410 posts)She should never be allowed to erase the memory of her blatant disrespect of this national treasure.
mahina
(17,705 posts)^^^^^^^
Long time no see
Aloha🌊🌊🌊
mahina
(17,705 posts)What a revolving development hey?
in 2003/2004 when we were kicking back at Opihimoimoi's fishpond w/ Kamaaina and my wifey, who knew that our nation would be in this state of affairs?
I never give up hope that America will recover.
mahina
(17,705 posts)Aloha oe to your wife, and all the crew, here and gone.
Cha
(297,705 posts)mcar
(42,376 posts)Go away, Susan, you wretched creature.
TeamPooka
(24,259 posts)I would expect nothing less of her ilk.
Gothmog
(145,610 posts)rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Sounds like a dinosaur that eats her own
RandySF
(59,264 posts)The primary is tantamount to the election.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)TeamPooka
(24,259 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Very poor judgement on Ocasio's part.
RandySF
(59,264 posts)Sarandan can't even walk a precinct without making sure all eyes are on her.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)will never get my vote!
Me.
(35,454 posts)but any candidate of SS is not a candidate of mine
H2O Man
(73,622 posts)I would think issues involving the candidates should be the deciding factor, in both primary and general elections. I'll add that, in my humble opinion, those who would vote either for or against a candidate based solely upon what SS thinks are in the same boat, simply rowing in opposite directions. Maybe it's just me, but I do not consider her a factor in any way.
ThaT if SS is attracted to this candidate it sends up a red flag to me, especially considering the pattern of her endorsements in the past. My issue with Crowley is his lack of support for Nancy Pelosi, not a policy one though I think he should've shown up for the debate.
Is it equally important to consider who is supporting Crowley, in terms of financial contributions? For example, if corporations have a history of contributing to him, and those contributions have influenced his voting record?
Me.
(35,454 posts)H2O Man
(73,622 posts)(Which isn't surprising.)
Campaign financing is a huge issue for me. I prefer grass roots' financing, rather than corporations buying elections. It would seem to be something that our party should be focusing on. We need politicians who represent people, rather than corporations.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)compared with Crowley's $3 million. I think that may just show the message can beat campaign money. I'm giddy this morning that she won.
H2O Man
(73,622 posts)that we could ask for. Though I'm in upstate NY, and not the 14th, I am so happy!
MFM008
(19,820 posts)And voters like her.
We have an unmitigated disaster
And constitutional crisis.
Different Drummer
(7,649 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)aikoaiko
(34,184 posts)Its what we want.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)She can go to hell...if I lived in New York...I would never vote for any Democrat in a primary she endorsed. Incumbents have an advantage. I can't stand her.
aikoaiko
(34,184 posts)This is a great opportunity to bring in a new face with new energy into the House if the people of the district will it.
Crowley will probably win, but this is what democracy looks like.
brush
(53,876 posts)repugs instead of trying to defeat a fellow Dem n a blue district wouldn't you say, to make sure we take back the House and and negate trump's agenda?
Let's not waste our effort needlessly.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)aikoaiko
(34,184 posts)This is an opportunity. Crowley will probably win and I'm happy to let the voters decide.
That's what democracy looks like.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)could be used to get a warm body for a GOP area. I would bet money now that Sarandon and OR have endorsed this person...she will lose.
aikoaiko
(34,184 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,224 posts)And failing in the process
Gothmog
(145,610 posts)DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)If Sarandon should endorse Kamala Harris for President will people be unable to support Harris also as a result?
I'm not trying to defend Sarandon for anything, but it is essentially being played by her either way to automatically back or oppose anyone simply based on what Sarandon does.
Yes this is a primary against a Democratic incumbent, but it is also a very Democratic seat that we will not lose in November regardless of the primary outcome. If you like the incumbent by all means wire him some money,
brush
(53,876 posts)an incumbent Dem when that money and work could be spent helping a Dem win in a not so blue district?
Let's be clear and think clearly. Surandon backed Nader and trump once Sanders lost the primary.
The fact that Ocasio let that witch anywhere near his campaign shows a lack of good judgment.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)The fact that you don't know that shows that you don't know much about this particular primary race, let alone Ocasio. "All that money and work" doesn't just sit inside some kind of joint checking account that can just as easily be drawn upon for some other Democratic race - Ocasio has local supporters who are motivated to back her specifically inside their own district.
By the way it is a myth that Sarandon ever actually backed Trump. However I definitely understand that her refusal to back Hillary in the General was helpful to Trump.
"Susan Sarandon set off a media firestorm last week by suggesting she'd vote for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.
The only problem: Sarandon, an avowed Bernie Sanders supporter, never actually said she'd support Trump."
http://www.newsweek.com/celebrities-tell-us-why-theyre-voting-donald-trump-or-not-aaron-carter-chingy-442673
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3515644/That-s-not-said-Susan-Sarandon-clarifies-never-vote-Donald-Trump.html
brush
(53,876 posts)she's running against an incumbent Dem with the backing of Susan fucking Surandon.
Nothing else but WTF needs to be said in this toxic, need-to-neutralize-trump era.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)C'mon, you have to realize that Sarandon is not popular with Democrats based on her hostility towards the party.
Nader was one thing, Trump is a whole other.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)It is not that far fetched that she could endorse Harris in 2020.
List of 2008 Obama endorsers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2008
She was critical of, but still supported, Obama in 2012 as well:
"Current TV host Joy Behar asked the outspoken liberal actress for her take on the leaked Romney footage from a May fundraiser in which he says that "47 percent" of the electorate is "dependent upon government" and will vote for President Barack Obama "no matter what."
https://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2012/09/susan-sarandon-mitt-romneys-so-entertaining-135943
Again, as I wrote originally, I am not defending her or her actions. But it is crazy to simply vote against everyone who she votes for.
treestar
(82,383 posts)NY_20th
(1,028 posts)brooklynite
(94,741 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)Strictly in primaries of course, not running against a Democrat in the general....
Right now we have a functional one party system - the Democratic Party, Republicans do not offer a functional alternative for sane people. I do not believe that incumbency equates with a free pass to be nominated for life inside a safely Democratic district. In my own county our Democratic Party at convention just chose not to renominate our sitting Democratic Sheriff for reelection by a vote o f85 to 15%. He is forcing a primary fight as is his right.
brooklynite
(94,741 posts)...a dollar or hour spent running against a Democrat is a dollar or hour not available to run against a Republican.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)honest.abe
(8,685 posts)Given her track record, I would suggest doing the exact opposite of whatever/whoever she endorses.
aikoaiko
(34,184 posts)If you know.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)It's pretty much expected that Crowley will win.
What's going good for her is that turnout will most likely be low as this is a very blue district that will stay blue, and the WFP is good at getting out their vote.
brooklynite
(94,741 posts)...unless they're seen as being close. I will observe that Crowley has 10x cash on hand, which suggests a more robust ground game is likely.
Trek4Truth
(515 posts)because of her.
Cha
(297,705 posts)oasis
(49,410 posts)Thanks Cha, for bringing it out
Meanwhile, Susan Sarandon needs to fold up her tent and go quietly into the night.
Cha
(297,705 posts)And, I'm frustrated because her tweet was swarmed by a bunch of brainwashed sarandonfans.. I can't wait to join twitter some day and be able to explain to them that SS LIED and encouraged her sappy fans that Hillary was worse that trump. That's Why she has a stigma on her head for being part of the great Russian Enablers for trump.
Yeah, I wish she would get shamed.. Oacasio now has a national LIAR in her corner.
SS was already Lying and whining about "..her peers shunned her because of her activism.." which is a damn LIE. They're shunning her 'cause she LIES her sorry head OFF.
oasis
oasis
(49,410 posts)Sarandon's clumsy interference cost Hillary votes. Bottom line.
NBachers
(17,143 posts)Speaker to the Yanks
(26 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Someone posted an Occasio video and kept gushing about her policies. But other than "free college and medicare for all" she didn't have any. Basically no there there. She did have better hair than Crowley, however. I'll give her that.
Cha
(297,705 posts)still_one
(92,419 posts)that trump was better than the Democratic nominee, and did everything in 2016 to undermine and discourage people to vote Democratic party.
This is the same piece of garbage who in 2000 was part of a rally telling the participants that a "vote for Gore is a vote for bush"
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/15/us/the-2000-campaign-the-green-party-in-nader-supporters-math-gore-equals-bush.html
and that kept up all through 2000.
As far as I am concerned she can go to hell
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)AnnieBW
(10,459 posts)I'm sorry. It's a trained reaction to the name "Susan Sarandon". Sorry to impugn actual sluts by comparing them to Susan Sarandon.