Are parents who get arrested separated from family. Sure. BUT...

[Roland99]

They’ve done it due to an action they decided to take that they knew violated the law, not to protect them and their family from harm by seeking asylum here.

AND. There’s this thing called visitation that is allowed for those incarcerated.

Do these kids get that now? Do the parents???

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. When non-immigrant parents are arrested they aren't separated from their kids

for more than a short time unless they are confined to jail pending trial, or sentenced to prison following a trial or a guilty plea. And in those cases the kids aren't taken away and put in cages with no way to contact their parent and no way for the parent to contact them, or even find out where they are. Furthermore, illegal immigration is a misdemeanor punishable by deportation, not prison. The immigrants whose children are taken away are being accused of a misdemeanor but haven't even been convicted.

A speeding ticket is a misdemeanor. So imagine that you have been caught speeding and the officer gives you a ticket which says you can appear in court to contest the fine. But your kids are with you in the car, and the officer takes them away from you and puts them in a cage in an abandoned Wal-Mart, and they won't tell you where they are or let you talk to them. And even if you pay the fine nobody will tell you where they are.

[Roland99]

2. +1

[quartz007]

3. All prisoners with children under 18 should be freed immediately

Unless the the other parent is not in prison and able to care for the children.

[MichMan]

4. So having a kid is a get out of jail free card regardless of the crime?

[quartz007]

6. Yes, and especially for minor crime of crossing the border

Without visa.

[MichMan]

8. What about armed robbery, B & E, manslaughter, murder, rape ?

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You did say "All prisoners with children under 18 should be freed immediately"

[shraby]

13. Any crimes the people coming across the border for asylum may have committed, we

have no jurisdiction over anyway. Most they should be able to do to them is send them to the country where they committed the crime.

[grantcart]

5. You have been seriously misinformed. Asylum seekers who present themselves are NOT breaking any law

Explained here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210750807

here is the legal explanation:

The Asylum Seekers are following US law. US law requires Asylum Seekers to apply at a Port of Entry

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-obtain-protection-us-embassy-consulate.html

Asylum is a form of legal protection available to certain people who cannot or would not feel safe if they tried to live in their home country, because of past persecution or the danger of future persecution based on their race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.

Unfortunately, U.S. embassies and consulates cannot process requests for this form of protection because, under U.S. law, asylum seekers can apply only if they are physically present in the United States (or at least at a U.S. border or other point of entry).

There is a common misconception that U.S. embassies and consulates are basically the same as U.S. soil. It is true that international law protects national embassies and consulates from being destroyed, entered, or searched (without permission) by the government of the country where they are located (the host country). However, this does not give those embassies or consulates the full status of being part of their home nation’s territory. Therefore, U.S. law does not consider asylum seekers at U.S. embassies and consulates to be “physically present in the United States” (or at a U.S. border or point of entry).

They approach the port of entry and are told they cannot proceed because facilities "are full".

They then proceed around the port and present themselves to Border Patrol agents to apply for asylum. At no point do they attempt to surreptitiously enter the US, evade law enforcement, or conceal their interest in making a legal petition for asylum.

[Roland99]

7. Oh, *I* understand that. I'm referring to MAGAts' responses of comparing to jail

Look what they decided right after inauguration re: asylum seekers!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210751481

[Demsrule86]

9. Asking for asylum does not violate the law.

[RandomAccess]

10. What are you saying?

Seeking asylum is NOT a crime of any kind. WE are violating our own laws. The administration's intention from the beginning, I just read, was to clamp down on asylum seekers.

Der Twitler admin planned on separating immigrant families since INAUGURATION! https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210751481
Document reveals Trump administration planned on separating migrant families soon after inauguration
https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/document-reveals-trump-administration-planned-on-separating-migrant-families-soon-after-inauguration-1258507843548
”They wanted to specifically crack down on families claiming asylum”


And the OTHER thing you need to know is that the U.S. is forcing asylum seekers to BECOME law breakers --


- Chris Van Hollen @ChrisVanHollen
At the Hidalgo Bridge. A few weeks ago, the Trump Administration essentially stopped families seeking asylum from crossing at this legal point of entry. Left people stranded for days without food and water. So many then crossed the river, were arrested and had children taken.

Link to tweet

[Roland99]

11. Post 7

[treestar]

12. The kids are being detained too

That is why the right wing argument about people going to jail not getting to take their children with them is bull.

[McCamy Taylor]

14. Why aren't the consulates up in arms?

These kids are foreign citizens. They are now Missing. We will probably find that at least a few have been raped, sold to pimps or to baby mills. South Americans get up in arms when they think their children are being stolen.