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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPsychiatrist warns Trump's mental state is rapidly deteriorating -- and he may be 'on the boundary of
psychosis and reality
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/psychiatrist-warns-trumps-mental-state-rapidly-deteriorating-may-boundary-psychosis-reality/
I truly believe that the elected Republican politicians are completely lost souls. They are like the characters in a zombie movie who keep their father in the basement because they dont really understand that he is a zombie. Hes not coming back. I really, truly think its that bad. There a few Republicans who are trying to sound the alarm about Trump, but the Republican Party as a whole is like organized crime at this point, and Trump is the boss. Theres absolutely no other conclusion you could draw.
Trumps grandiosity is such that he actually believes he is an expert on everything. Based on his speeches and interviews, Trump is apparently the world authority on 25 different issues. This also speaks to a bigger problem, which is the death of expertise. For authoritarians and malignant narcissists like Trump an independent source of authority, whether its the press, the bureaucracy or the experts, are threats to his authority. Trump leaves positions at the State Department unfilled because he doesnt want experts telling him what to do. He knows that he knows more than everybody else. Whats really frightening is that he actually believes that he has this kind of papal infallibility.
The simplest explanation is that Donald Trump is experiencing substantial organic cognitive decline, but he hasnt reached the bottom of the hill yet. Hes fallen, lets say, 25 stories, but hes going to continue to deteriorate. Cognitive deterioration only goes in one direction. It doesnt stand still and it doesnt get better. No, Trump is not ready for the nursing home. But that doesnt mean hes capable of managing the White House. Once you factor in nuclear weapons the possibilities are truly horrific.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)I now realize recruiting henchmen and henchwomen voters and supporters is much easier than I ever imagined.
ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)He's getting worse by the day-- when will it stop??????????
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)I hope it doesn't take a drumpfian total disaster to wakeup the dormant GOP.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Same as the Nazis.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)It is difficult to completely destroy evil!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)could be persuaded to follow his dictates. Now, we see somewhat similar happening in the US. Millions acting/supporting in very poor judgment.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)What we see happening here is the same that happened in Germany. Scary stuff!
VOX
(22,976 posts)Then came the Great Depression in 1929, and the Nazis capitalized on that. The 1930 elections changed the German political landscape, and things went downhill rapidly from there.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)here, those feeling Trump will just fade away, eventually.
VOX
(22,976 posts)But it's there, plain as day when you just listen: "There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea...You can now feel much safer than the day I took office. Sleep well tonight."
I never envisioned a majority of Republicans actually casting their lot with #45, to actually fall for this now-lethal reality-infomercial washout. I always had some tiny measure of faith that most Americans, in an extreme case, would stand united against a common threat.
But now, that's impossible. Republicans/Trumpists ARE the threat. To them, down is up, dark is light, etc. Their figurehead is a repulsive, crude, inept, incompetent, artificial "businessman" who is "not literary minded." They've surrendered their will to that one man. For the first time in my life (and I was born mid-20th century), I know we are venturing into territory we've never been before, in ways that are very negative and destructive. I have a deep, sickening sensation that this is what will soon be called normal, when things are extremely far from okay, in a way I've never perceived before.
Preaching to the choir, I know. My apologies. I had to vent a bit.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)normalized despite the fact it's filled with lies, distortions and delusions. And, critical thinking continues to sink. The GOP is now fueled by Trumpism and irrational behavior.
VOX
(22,976 posts)I'm afraid that it's going to have a ripple effect that will last awhile. It's particularly worrisome when you see other liberal democracies -- France, England, Germany, Italy, Poland, Sweden, etc. are all having this simultaneous battle with right-wing populism, which has gained ground. That means that this nationalist movement is worldwide, and it spreads like an infection.
Then there are too many good people who are rendered literally by information overload. The idea of the United States throwing in with Russia and North Korea, while flipping off Canada and Mexico, is just one more thing designed to have maximum impact, and sow doubt and confusion. I smell the stench of Bannon, still. He just got back from Italy, pushing his global vision for a nationalist revolution.
In the end, it's gangsterism, and the ill-gotten treasure that such a terrible undertaking yields.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)environment. There is a fair amount of trust in the US, generally, that events/things sometimes tend to work themselves out, and many only casually pay attention to what is going on. That naivety is being manipulated and used to enable endless gangsterism. This, combined with "... this nationalist movement is worldwide, and it spreads like an infection" is damn frightening.
Yes, I smell it too! "I smell the stench of Bannon, still. He just got back from Italy, pushing his global vision for a nationalist revolution."
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)for which I mostly blame our media.
Many years ago, when Disney bought ABC, I wondered what on earth they wanted with a TV station. Disney was so clearly an entertainment company and, I inaccurately thought at the time, ABC a NEWS organization. Now it's all just mostly entertainmnet. Even MSNBC, for example, feeds us far too much gossip ABOUT the principals, and the players instead of important details like what's happening on the borrder, in our environment with the EPA gutting, with our courts, and all the kleptocracy going on. It's very discouraging.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)America for America. I'm afraid it's going to get worse before better.
onit2day
(1,201 posts)are in a position to do anything about it but Trump must be stopped now. We all know what must happen. Trump is the head of the snake but it's still a snake.
0rganism
(23,970 posts)the most ill-willed among us always seem to be hyper-motivated in adequate numbers to have their say
someday, perhaps, progressives will come forth in greater numbers to take the reins of government from the quick-fix cowards.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)while the rest of US be damned!
0rganism
(23,970 posts)so damned the rest of us will remain.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)is it any wonder theyre full of hate and propaganda?
Weve been watching it happen for decades. No one should talk about being surprised.
appalachiablue
(41,171 posts)Hekate
(90,797 posts)Long before I was born, it was said that fascism would come to America wrapped in the Flag and carrying a Bible.
Never forget: we elected Obama, we elected Hillary.
It took a huge malignant subversion to get Trump into the WH instead of Hillary, but it was done by means of our open society, and our trust in all our systems being operated in good faith.
unblock
(52,323 posts)but donnie didn't just materialize out of the blue (unfortunate metaphor, out of the red would work better...).
conservative think tanks, right-wing billionaires, hate radio and foxnews paved the way over the course of decades. there has been a right-wing effort going back over four decades to corrupt our democracy and our media, to discredit facts and logic and to make it all about horse races and personalities and marketing catchphrases and gotcha outrage and manufactured scandal.
donnie is merely the obvious outcome of that concerted effort.
We've been heading in this direction for a long time. Trump was not some freak accident, the way has been paved for such a leader over many years.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)The conservative juggernaut has known for decades. Goebbels in Nazi Germany certainly knew.
spanone
(135,876 posts)Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)We need to suspend the 2020 elections because illegals might vote. I mean, really?
People as a whole are dumb. Even the holocaust could easily happen again.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)riversedge
(70,304 posts)This is a term I never see discussed.
...This is what I have described as a malignant reality. Trump, the Republican Party, and their supporters sadism is a key part of it.
The sadism is very important. When I first started talking about Trump as a malignant narcissist, people could see the narcissism, the paranoia and the antisocial element. But the fourth component of malignant narcissism is sadism. You see it in everything he does, from the separating of the children at the border to how Trump tortures anyone who doesnt give him what he wants. Theres a way in which he takes a kind of manic glee in causing harm and pain and humiliation to other people.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)riversedge
(70,304 posts)head it on the cable news. Probably there but I missed it.
Hekate
(90,797 posts)dalton99a
(81,590 posts)colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)Brought him a lot of Fame and Fortune. It did that, because a lot of people seem to enjoy watching other people suffer.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)I'm gobsmacked by how many people don't see it. It's so fucking obvious!
BigmanPigman
(51,627 posts)my family and friends would sort of brushing it off as being silly. But they also knew that I could be correct so they didn't completely dismiss the idea. They realistically knew I was not being completely ridiculous and they were a little scared that I was right.
elias7
(4,026 posts)Grammy23
(5,813 posts)to cause harm on a massive scale. The GOP members of Congress are doing nothing to stop him or even hold him back a bit. In fact, they are aiding and abetting him. So for that reason, they should be held accountable when the day of reckoning comes. As bad as it is, it is not all his fault. They should be doing something to protect the citizens of the world from this monster run amok.
erronis
(15,331 posts)NT, but of course. There is no other explanation. Perhaps throw in a bit of blackmail...
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The former becomes the latter.
My only point was that I dont think we need to invoke any mental deterioration here. I think hes been severely mentally defective his whole life. The term malignant narcissism has been thrown around, accurately I think. Some combination of narcissistic personality disorder and anti-social personality disorder (sociopath).
Grammy23
(5,813 posts)😵. Any number of people have verified that he was a holy terror even as a kid. No wonder daddy had him shuffled off to military school. He was just a really bad seed from the moment he came into this world. Nothing has happened in his 72 years to change that. He has simply worked his way up the chain to where he is now and can inflict maximum pain on anyone he chooses to hurt. He said it. He could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any supporters. Will no one stop the megalomaniac?? So far? No. But his day is coming. I HAVE to believe that. It is what keeps me sane and allows me to sleep at night.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)axm
(91 posts)GOP will do nothing to stand in this megalomaniac's way.
We need to win.
BIGLY.
Both the House and Senate.
It's America's only hope.
GOTV
3Hotdogs
(12,408 posts)Initech
(100,103 posts)Along with his batshit crazy supporters.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)What are we going to do about them?
magicarpet
(14,172 posts)By major margins we must our vote them.
Texin
(2,597 posts)Who are the roughly new 20% or so of people in this country who are now rooting for him? I'm stunned. It's worse than horrific. It's terrifying. Is this the Mueller effect? Is it just fatigue over this unbelievably critical issue? It's the single most important issue in the country's history, and people are just shrugging it off and wanting to slap this motherfucker on the back.
erronis
(15,331 posts)Hey, Texin - stuff like this smells like trying to start a internecine fight.
Not sayin' but without some good facts to back it up it just looks like blowin' smoke.
The_REAL_Ecumenist
(729 posts)make NO mistake, figures, reality, etc are being manipulated and flat out lied about to try to convince the world that what people see all around them,( the loathing, hatred & recoiling that just about every living thing has for this bunch), is NOT reality. Don't swallow this nonsense because it smells too much like the same fuqqery that was happening during bush the simple's regime & during 2016 election.
Their grip on the narrative is becoming more & more threadbare with each passing day & it makes perfect sense that they would start to push the fallacy that more & more people are approving of the thing in the WH.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Anything above 0 is inexcusable.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Some people also like to give credit to a person they see moving around and doing things. The problem is corporate media, even on the default, when they not giving people gross falsehoods, is so completely camped in the notion of not hurting any potential advertisers senses they will hardly report anything difficult. It's all about the old adage, happy news for happy people.
DFW
(54,437 posts)OK, in other words, he's a Republican. But we already knew that.
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)making any person or group miserable. He must spend hours deciding which to stab in the back. I just didn't think of the word, sadist. Fits perfectly. This latest of separating children from parents at the border ---- what could be worse? He's sure to find something.....
bucolic_frolic
(43,289 posts)they sense a loss of power, youth, vigor, attractiveness, and mental acuity that causes them to compensate in other ways to maintain their grandiose sense of self. Their entire waking hours from opening their eyes in the morning is to rally the psychic energy to perpetuate their sense of awe and wonder that they, and (they think) the whole world, has for themselves. It is very tiring to summon all that greatness together each day!
Diminishing circulation, mental skills, and alertness mean the delusions of grandeur must be formulated in a mental fog. That's where we are now. What's on paper doesn't matter, what the other party thought in negotiations doesn't matter; the only thing that matters is that the principal thinks greatness is increased each day and every hour!
Think of the things we don't know. Medications. Diseases. Rants and raves. Frankly I think Borderline Personality is mixed in because of the number of boundaries that have been breached in life, but no one ever mentions it. Just look at the symptoms and see if at least a few fit rather well:
https://www.psycom.net/depression.central.borderline.html
Having an unstable or dysfunctional self-image or a distorted sense of self (how one feels about ones self)
Feelings of isolation, boredom and emptiness
Difficulty feeling empathy for others
A history of unstable relationships that can change drastically from intense love and idealization to intense hate
A persistent fear of abandonment and rejection, including extreme emotional reactions to real and even perceived abandonment
Intense, highly changeable moods that can last for several days or for just a few hours
Strong feelings of anxiety, worry and depression
Impulsive, risky, self-destructive and dangerous behaviors, including reckless driving, drug or alcohol abuse and having unsafe sex
Hostility
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)people with Schizophrenia mostly and people in my field would much rather work with them any day over the dreaded borderline patient. There is no rhyme or reason to anything they do and not much that works with them counseling-wise. With most, their main goal is to get as much attention as they possibly can and they WILL take you down if they don't like you.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)it's safe to assume they're borderline. I'd rather take a bullet than deal with them.
GoCubsGo
(32,093 posts)He actually crossed that boundary a long, long time ago. Glad you're finally noticing it, though.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)It does meet the criteria. You've got the charismatic leader, and his followers subsume their identity into his group, which makes them feel larger and more powerful. Once you have that kind of blind belief and loyalty, the leader, as Donald Trump has said, could really shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and nothing would happen. The cognitive dissonance is such that the cult members will rationalize anything. For example, something like 50 percent of Republicans say that if Trump wanted to cancel the 2020 election, that would be fine with them.
He is actually the second most popular Republican president in the history of modern polling.
Yes, that's right. It's really shocking and frightening. It's shocking and frightening in a way that just makes you feel like you're on some kind of bad acid trip.
much more at link
vlyons
(10,252 posts)I have been saying for a long time that we need to constantly call it what it is - Neo-Fascism. More and more, we need to label and paint all the anti-democratic, neo-Fascist behaviors and policies as Fascist. We need to stick the Fascist label on them with the biggest glue gun we can find.
unblock
(52,323 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)far off their rocker as he is. And that is what's really scary, the support he maintains.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Republicans speaking out against Trump won't admit this, as it would mean they were complicit, but Trump is the almost inevitable result of 50 years of Southern Strategy/dog whistling, race-based gerrymandering, race-based voter suppression, jingosim, anti-intellectualism, etc.
cp
(6,655 posts)45's term in office could be summarized as Exponential Deterioration
Klee Music
(12 posts)Ah reckon he's the smartest fella that ever lived. Got him a solid gold elevator and he can just about have any gal he feels like.
An' he's a billionaire - a genuine self made billionaire. Started out with nothin'. Didn't get it all off of his daddy like them Kennedy boys!
An' he's buildin' that damn wall, and sortin' out mah doctor bills!
An' tan mah hide if'n he ain't cutting the hell outta' mah taxes so I git a shot at being a winner too!
Tell ya' what - his brain's so chock full 'o' smarts, it ain't surprisin' he forgits stuff every now and then. What with fixin' the USA and protecting our guns and makin' all of that money, anybody'd forgit stuff.
Hell, at least he ain't fallin' over on the sidewalk like Killary*
*insert irrational and/or crazy character assassination on Mrs Clinton to complete . . .
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)...and who owns the negative sign? Putin!
Klee Music
(12 posts)You got that right. But the knuckle-dragging self-abusers are yet to get on board.
malaise
(269,157 posts)That horse done bolt
Gothmog
(145,562 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,967 posts)
he's been in "cognitive decline" all during his campaign and presidency.
red dog 1
(27,850 posts)like his hero, Adolph Hitler.
Ivana Trump said that "Donald kept a book of Hitler's speeches near his bedside."
Trump responded to that accusation by saying:
"If I had these speeches, and I'm not saying that I do, I would never read them."
(Business Insider, September 1, 2015)
From Metro (UK), April 12, 2018
"New Book Claims Hitler was 'Paranoid Schizophrenic' with a Persecution Complex"
Dr. Andrew Norman's new book, "Hitler's Insanity: A Conspiracy of Silence" sheds new light on the mass murdering dictator's mental health.
"He began showing symptoms in his twenties which is consistent with schizophrenia"
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)usually have the social ability to be able to manipulate people and to "figure out" people to the extent that Trump does. In addition, most schizophrenics will have had episodes of hearing voices, having visual hallucinations at some point in their lives. They are not usually as bombastic or extroverted as Trump. They would usually be fearful or not enjoy speaking in front of a large crowd.
VOX
(22,976 posts)How many articles can one read that inform us of the danger our "president" poses to America and the world? How many mental health professionals have gone on record to say he's unbalanced?
And yet, there he sits, strapped in the catbird seat, atop the pile of diplomatic and Constitution-destroying rubble he and his weirdo-pals have made, with a majority of Republicans backing him. Everyone on the right wing is infatuated with their rude, crude, insane leader.
So now what? Republicans will do NOTHING about this menace except praise him to the skies. All branches of the federal government are under one-party rule (just the way fascists like it). It's up to Democrats alone to slay this dragon.
VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!
ashling
(25,771 posts)sanity and the DMZ.
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)want this POS to take us all down?????
Excellent article and very true.
There are many thoughts floating around in our heads...
..sigh...
...we are encountering some very evil people/cult.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)just say'n
Cha
(297,665 posts)no souls.. just ghouls.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Maggot that is.
I wish him a lovely birthday laying in state.....
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:17 AM - Edit history (1)
If not, it's worthless.
Also, Raw Story stole this article from Salon and gave it a click bait headline (as is their wont).
soryang
(3,299 posts)Doesn't sound very scientific to me either. Doesn't look like a standard mental status exam either.
gordianot
(15,245 posts)For Donald Trump's and the Republics/public protection hospitalization with a full evaluation would be helpful. Taking an MMPI, Rosarch, or Wechsler battery would prove little over his actual behavior and statements.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,196 posts)The album has been playing in my mind, and with a few tweaks here and there, it would stand a good chance of (1) being a hit, (2) being sued for copyright infringement, or (3) being firebombed. Probably all three.
Tell me, Trump, how you feel tonight
Do you plan to put up a fight?
Do you feel that you've had the breaks?
What would you say were your big mistakes?...
Every time I look at you I don't understand
Why'd you let the things you did get so out of hand?...
Nitram
(22,888 posts)who keep their father in the basement because they dont really understand that he is a zombie."
That's a very generous interpretation. I think it is far more likely that Republicans in Congress are craven, greedy, immoral, opportunistic, weaklings along for the ride. They are betting that this will benefit them personally more than it will harm them, as long as they don't turn on Trump. They don't give a shit about the country.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)him as long as they smell money, power and opportunities that benefit them personally. Many IMO are just like Trump. He says what they think.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Such a story doesn't end with the boy being made captain of a ship.
Klee Music
(12 posts)There's a line in a Greg Lake song: 'The Christmas we get we deserve.' Applies to the collective lurch the civilized world has taken toward the hard right.
Star Trek tried to explain the fall of Rome and the rise of Hitler by allegorical plot lines, but only the subprime madness and our failure (present company excepted) to jail the bankers, kicked off the screaming nosedive into the giant gold plated toilet that some would call The Donald . . .
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)as a candidate in the first place? Those people's heads are messed up too.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)The GOP politicians support him because they are cut from the same piece of cloth. He says what they think, and they feel they are getting a piece of the action. They don't give a damn about the country now or its future. The voters, most of them have no F'en idea what's going on. We are truly in the land of Idiocracy now.