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(58,785 posts)Caused me to look up the expert the author cites, demographer William Frey. We're resuming the migration patterns interrupted by the great recession.
Newly released census data for the first seven years of this decade signal a resumption of the population dispersal that was put on hold for a good part of the post-Great Recession period. The Census Bureaus annual county and metropolitan area estimates through 2017 reveal a revival of suburbanization and movement to rural areas along with Snow Belt-to-Sun Belt population shifts. In addition, the data show a new dispersal to large- and moderate-sized metro areas in the middle of the countryespecially in the Northeast and Midwest. If these shifts continue, they could call into question the sharp clustering of the nations populationin large metropolitan areas and their citiesthat characterized the first half of the 2010s.
Suburbanization picks up
The new numbers leave little doubt that suburbanization is on the rise, after a decided lull in the first part of the decade. Migration patterns and city-suburb shifts already hinted at this trend in the last year. But the trends through 2016 and 2017 put an exclamation point on it,
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/03/26/us-population-disperses-to-suburbs-exurbs-rural-areas-and-middle-of-the-country-metros/
dembotoz
(16,832 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)research on all this, literally if it were all printed out. We're migrants from Los Angeles to the rural south, following our son, and do a great deal of our shopping on line, delivered to our door. Drivers for various services used to get lost sometimes, but they know where we are now. They also greatly appreciate our paving the driveway up our hill, a need those trucks hurried along.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)FSogol
(45,526 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)So the numbers are a bit skewed- that is less about migration and more about the military moving everyone every 2-5 years, relocating entire units and downsizing.
When the Army decides to move a Brigade to another post or deactivate it that leads to thousands of people, the Sodliers and their families, all being shifted away from that town.
Thats not really people choosing to move away from that town because of cost or living or crime or economics, as it is with other areas.
global1
(25,270 posts)Has anyone researched voting patterns of military and their relocation every 2-5 years? My instinct tells me that military vote pretty conservatively. Could military relocation be a factor in gerrymandering? Could soldiers and their families be used as pawns by the administration in control to adjust voting patterns in their favor?
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)First is a large percentage of military families maintain residency in their home states or states they were previously assigned to instead of where they are stationed. States allow exemptions for military personnel to do this.
Its done for a few reasons. One is that its just easier. Two is that it lets them maintain residency and therefore pay taxes in states that dont have a state income tax or that dont tax military income. A whole lot of people who end up stationed where they can live in TN keep that TN residency through the rest of a career.
Same for Alaska. You will see Alaska plates WAY out of proportion in military towns. Why? Not only does Alaska not have a state income tax but every resident gets a check every year from the state Permenant Fund. All a military member must do is certify they spent at least 72 consecutive hours in the state the year before and they get a check for around $1500-2000. So no income tax an any year you can pull a long weekend vacation in the state a nice payout too.
Aside from that, Congress doesnt get any real say in where the Army stations units, much less individual service members. They even have been divorced to a large degree on decisions what bases stay open or closed by the BRAC process.
The military is largely conservative, but because of these factors there isnt much in the way it can be manipulated to affect vote totals.
Now, over the long term there have been trends that have moved more military members to red areas, but its mostly based on base closures that have closed bases that are in urban areas. As cities grow around bases many end up closing based on pressure from the local governments and citizens, reduced ability to train based on noise complaints and safety issues.
So as an example places like Fort Ord, NAS Alameda, George AFB, Mather AFB, Norton AFB, Presidio of San Francisco, Castle AFB, MCAS Tustin, NAS Moffet Field, Long Beach Naval Shipyard, Sacramento Army Depot, MCAS El Toro, Naval Station Treasure Island, Naval Supply Center Oakland, Naval Training Center San Diego, McClellan AFB, Oakland Army Base and some small ones all are bases only in California that closed between 1988 and 2000.
And thats just CA, but I chose CA because they were one of the most significantly affected states.
That moved a lot of servicemembers out, their families, and also affected the number of military retirees who choose to settle there as many choose to retire near bases for access to the facilities. And a lot of veterans who get out (often medical reasons) who then work in civilian positions on the I would guess the typical military member/family/retiree population are about 75% GOP voters. For every servicemember position you see eliminating figure 3-4 more in family, retireees, civilian workers on base etc and all following that same political trend.
Now I am sure that has served to some degree to make California bluer over the last 3 decades. And as a result places the people relocated to more red. But to what degree I dont know.
That said, I dont think that was in any way driven by gerrymandering. Those changes are driven by attempts to lower costs to they will close bases in areas with higher costs of living and doing business. On top of that many bases were having the utility of them for training reduced by increased populations around them driving complaints about aircraft noise and safety, so closing a base that is of reduced utility is a first cut.
global1
(25,270 posts)to find out what cities they are talking about?
braddy
(3,585 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)It's not clickbait-y per say. It's not a bunch of ads. Each slide has demographic statistics.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)Lot's of Florida, Texas, Arizona. Wonder how much of the "50 cities Americans are abandoning" is about boomers hitting retirement and going to traditional retirement states. Hell, The Villiages was something like 45 for cities Americans are flocking to and that is just 100% a retirement city (my sister goes there for the winters--rheumatoid arthritis is a bitch in MN in the winter).