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(58,724 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)I hear republicans try to use that. Trump is a traitor an Pence is un-American.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,812 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Trump is the man "the people" elected. He hasn't deteriorated, he didn't substantially lie about what they were getting. He was their choice.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)would render him less able to discharge his duties than he was when the people elected him. And even if an exam showed he had serious heart disease, so what? Even if it showed he was weeks at most from a devastating cardiac event but refused intervention, he would be fit until his condition deteriorated to the point that he was unable to discharge his duties.
As for mental disorder, we all know he is the mentally disordered man who ran for and was elected president. No marked and significant deterioration from his original deficiencies his voters chose in their president.
As I said, this is the viewpoint of one of the people who wrote the 25th amendment, who is still very much alive. Disappointing to hear but stated definitively. It seems to me as if it would come into play if, theoretically, Trump agreed to a mental status examination and was diagnosed as unable to discharge the duties of his office, something supposedly his voters were unaware of at election time, but he didn't address that fantasy situation.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Deterioration is not required. All that is required is the opinion of the Cabinet and Congress. Not that they are going to vote against him anyway, but the 25th Amendment applies when THEY say, not when the writer of the amendment says.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)crisis, surely an understatement for this situation..
The word putsch is supposed to mean a violent takeover, and perhaps having the Secret Service, or other agents if the SS refused, carry the president out kicking and screaming wouldn't apply, but a more accurate word for this takeover isn't coming at the moment. Go to bed tonight and wake up tomorrow morning to learn that President Pence was in the WH and Trump in an undisclosed location until he agreed to decide where he wanted to be taken.
Itm, all those top-drawer legal firms unwillnig to represent him now are lining up to get his authorization to head straight to the Supreme Court. And then? What if Pence didn't want to hand over the presidency on order? Or if he did, what would happen to him and his conspirators then? Prison for a long time, surely?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)and I can envision circumstances where it would be politically feasible, although those circumstances are very unlikely to occur.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I wanted to say that removing a president without proper legal cause simply could not be politically feasible, but it could conceivably be for Republicans; their big donors could just plan to replace any party casualties. In any case, it's moot now. Democrats wouldn't remove a president without proper legal cause and procedure, but there's plenty of cause. When will Repubs be able to? Trumpster approval rating's still in the 80s.
Politico has a very alarmed what-now article over Trump's realignment of the U.S. with "dictators and populist ultranationalists" against our traditional allies.
But let's all have a nice day.
onenote
(42,770 posts)He just discharges them in ways that we really really dislike. But he is capable of signing or vetoing laws, making appointments etc. -- the duties of being president.
Accordingly, there is zero chance his cabinet is going to toss him.
unblock
(52,332 posts)Takes more votes and takes cooperation of the cabinet, which was chosen for loyalty to Donnie.
Ain't happening, except for the intended purpose -- stroke, coma, etc.