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populistdriven

(5,644 posts)
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 06:27 PM Jun 2018

By cancelling the Eagles event Trump Collectively Punished the team

The Eagles had NO players that knelt for the anthem but Trump's statement that the Eagles do not want to place “hand on heart, in honor of our great men and women of the military.” Instead, Trump stated that he will hold “a different type of ceremony” to “honor our great country” and “loudly and proudly play the national anthem.”

Trump explicitly dis-invited the Eagles for having Black NFL players who, in his rationale, are guilty by their association with black NFL players on other teams who had knelt to protest police brutality and the racist execution of unarmed black Americans.

Trump's deliberate statement was to punish them for being black NFL players who empathize with fellow black Americans.

Trump's dog whistle to his fellow racists is that all black NFL players will collectively be punished if any black NFL players who identify and protest in any way against the institutionalized violence perpetrated by law enforcement against unarmed black Americans.

Trump's policy is clearly that by being black NFL players who publicly identify in any way, whether they individually protest or not, with the brutalization of fellow black Americans they have disqualified themselves from participating in a national honor and tradition reserved for elite NFL athletes.

Collective punishment during war is a violation of the Geneva convention. A case could easily be made that there is a long simmering low intensity conflict aka war against blacks in America.

From Wikipedia: "Collective punishment is a form of retaliation whereby a suspected perpetrator's family members, friends, acquaintances, sect, neighbors or entire entire ethnic group is targeted. The punished group may often have no direct association with the other individuals or groups, or direct control over their actions.".

An example: In 1906, 167 black U.S. soldiers stationed in Brownsville, Texas, were dishonorably discharged on orders of President Theodore Roosevelt in response to the shooting of two white citizens in the middle of the night of August 13, 1906. One man was killed and the other, a police lieutenant, was injured and it was never discovered who the shooter(s) were, though they were presumed to have been members of the nearby Fort Brown. The soldiers of Companies Bravo, Charlie, and Delta of the 25th infantry regiment, many of whom served in the Philippines and Cuba during America's war with Spain, were punished for the crime collectively and were denied army pensions.

Roseville, black wall street, lynchings, etc the US has never been held accountable.

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By cancelling the Eagles event Trump Collectively Punished the team (Original Post) populistdriven Jun 2018 OP
No, saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #1
Unfortunately the more blowback there is the happier his base gets because populistdriven Jun 2018 #4
disagree saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #6
No the real punishment would have been the team actually having to go to the White House. Initech Jun 2018 #2
That's what I thought treestar Jun 2018 #11
It used to be an honor before this piece of shit! Initech Jun 2018 #12
He has lost this one! BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #3
And yet the polls continue to show record support by Republicans for him populistdriven Jun 2018 #5
You do have a way of saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #7
It was massive, take heart, his minions gamed the electoral college populistdriven Jun 2018 #13
The manner in which you frame this aspect,... NCTraveler Jun 2018 #8
Sounds like it was the team that cancelled MichMan Jun 2018 #9
The Mascot cancelled? populistdriven Jun 2018 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author populistdriven Jun 2018 #15
Will this count as his parade? world wide wally Jun 2018 #10
if not he can parade down 5th and get pissed on again populistdriven Jun 2018 #16

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)
4. Unfortunately the more blowback there is the happier his base gets because
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 06:38 PM
Jun 2018

all his base is interested in making others feel pain and when others complain his base feels enriched.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
6. disagree
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 06:43 PM
Jun 2018

The minority of my fellow Americans may follow like sheeple. There is still hope for most. "Some people say I am a dreamer."

Initech

(100,079 posts)
2. No the real punishment would have been the team actually having to go to the White House.
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 06:35 PM
Jun 2018

And having to put up with a single scoop of ice cream for dessert (while he gets two) and water (while he gets diet Coke).

BigmanPigman

(51,607 posts)
3. He has lost this one!
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 06:36 PM
Jun 2018

When he left the "patriotic event" he wouldn't talk to reporters and was is a very angry mood. He kept the whole thing super short after not even attempting to sing the national anthem himself. He knows this fuck up was all on HIM! He blew it all by himself and can't point fingers this time.

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)
13. It was massive, take heart, his minions gamed the electoral college
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:24 AM
Jun 2018

More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than any other losing presidential candidate in US history and beat Trump by 2.9 million votes. Also, the margin of +2.1% is the 3rd largest in defeat and the largest in 140 years. It is time to abolish the Electoral College.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. The manner in which you frame this aspect,...
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 06:47 PM
Jun 2018

And frame it well, it seems you have highlighted a free speech argument.

I’ve been pretty leery to those arguments, up to this point. Seems pretty direct. I can think of numerous damages to the players, some of which you outlined.

MichMan

(11,932 posts)
9. Sounds like it was the team that cancelled
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 07:02 PM
Jun 2018

Less than 10 total people on the entire team accepted the invitation including the mascot.

Response to MichMan (Reply #9)

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