Jerry Boykin: 'Our Whole Legal System ... Came From The Bible'

[Initech]

The Family Research Council’s Jerry Boykin spoke at Rick Joyner’s MorningSide Ministries over the weekend, where he asserted that our Constitution was based on the Bible and that religious freedom is being stamped out in America just as it was in Nazi Germany. He also revealed that FRC has been working with members of Congress to wreck the careers of members of the military who run afoul of the Religious Right’s agenda.

Boykin declared that “no matter what the revisionist historians try to say,” the Founding Fathers were all Christians who established “a nation that was based on biblical principles,” insisting that “our whole legal system … came from the Bible.”

Holding up a Bible and a copy of the Constitution, Boykin proclaimed that “they go together” because the Constitution was derived directly from the Bible and so it is the responsibility of Christians to preserve religious freedom in the face of mounting oppression.

“There are elements in our society today that want us to do exactly what Hitler told the church in Germany to do,” he said, “and that is to accept freedom of worship instead of what our Founding Fathers gave us … Hitler said, ‘You can worship, but keep it in the church because I’ll crush you if you don’t.’ Keep it in the church, don’t bring it in the public square, and that is exactly what they want us to accept today.”
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/jerry-boykin-our-whole-legal-system-came-from-the-bible/

So if I interpret their message correctly... the constitution and the Bible are the same because our founding fathers never spoke out about religion (they did frequently) and that religious people will crush your dreams if you don't let them speak in the public square, because, Hitler. Right.

[MineralMan]

1. Absolutely nothing in our Constitution is supported by

any Bible references. Nothing. I've challenged right-wingers for years about this. Nobody has ever offered a single Bible verse that is reflected in the Constitution. That's because there is no Biblical basis for that founding document.

Boykin is full of crap!

[notdarkyet]

2. Thanks for the truth.

[SoCalNative]

3. Um, no

Perhaps he should go back to the code of Hammurabi, whose laws predate and were appropriated by those men writing the bible to inlcude them in the book of Exodus....

[Docreed2003]

11. The Constitution makes no mention of "God"

Boykin would know that if he'd actually read it, but I doubt he's read his holy book either!

[MineralMan]

12. The Constitution is almost 100% just a framework for a system

of government. And it's a system that had no equivalent when the Bible was written. The Constitution has no laws in it, and the only criminal act defined in it is Treason. There truly is nothing in the Bible that has any equivalent in the Constitution. Just go ahead and challenge people on it. It's a guaranteed thread-ender. I've never had a single answer to the challenge to find a Bible verse that supports anything in the Constitution. No such support exists.

[unblock]

15. That's not true! "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" supports the income tax amendment

[MineralMan]

16. No, it just supports government taxes. Any government.

And all governments tax people. They did in Biblical times, too.

[unblock]

19. Well... yeah, of course.

Obviously, that line from the Bible also supported the Roman tax that was the matter at hand. I don't think there's a particular uniqueness claim here, other governments or other taxes might also have biblical support, I don't think that's really part of the question. Well, other than hitler, apparently.

Arguably that line also supports separation of church and state, as the next bit is "and what is god's unto god."

[Iliyah]

4. Are these people on drugs?

I also read where hurricanes are designed to stop pro-t-rump voters, and one "R" explained why some states maybe turning blue.

[TlalocW]

5. I've had arguments with people claiming the Constitution is derived from the Bible

They're really easy to win. If I wanted to, I could go into how the founding fathers were more inspired by the enlightenment; their somewhat hostile quotes toward God, etc. But they're making the positive claim so they have to defend it so all that is needed is to ask, "How? How is the Constitution derived from the Bible?"

99 out of 100 people claiming that just have the soundbite memorized with no arguments for it. The other guy will have easily knocked down reasons.

TlalocW

[jberryhill]

6. The First Amendment and the First Commandment are fundamentally incompatible

[TlalocW]

7. Agreed

But I'm not going to do any heavy lifting in the argument until I ask them how one inspired the other. When they sputter trying to come up with something, I am then several legs up on them.

TlalocW

[ck4829]

8. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Am I the only one who noticed this little gem?

“There are elements in our society today that want us to do exactly what Hitler told the church in Germany to do,” he said, “and that is to accept freedom of worship instead of what our Founding Fathers gave us … Hitler said, ‘You can worship, but keep it in the church because I’ll crush you if you don’t.’ Keep it in the church, don’t bring it in the public square, and that is exactly what they want us to accept today.”

Followed by...

Boykin said that FRC and other Religious Right groups have established a Restore Military Religious Freedom task force that swings into action when it gets word that a Christian soldier has reportedly been prohibited from exercising their faith and goes after commanding officers by attempting to stymie their careers.

“We go after them with a vengeance,” Boykin said. “We are very unsanctified when we go after them. We will deliver petitions with tens of thousands of names on those petitions, demanding that they right the wrong that they have done to their soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, coast guardsmen. And then we write a letter to the Armed Services Committee and then I go over and see John McCain and what that letter says is if this name ever comes across your desk again recommending this person for promotion, just remember that he or she infringed on the rights of their own people. Don’t promote them. And to his credit, McCain has been very cooperative with us on this.”

[workinclasszero]

9. Who ya gonna believe, John Adams or some nutcase right wing lying bastard?

“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

[John Adams submitted and signed the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797]”

[MrScorpio]

10. The First of Ten Commandments says...

“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

However, the First Amendment of the Constitution stipulates that we all can worship or not worship as we damn well please.

Laws against theft and killing predated the Ten Commandments, so that’s just cribbing and the rest of it doesn’t have anything to do with our laws at all.

Hell, America was built on “coveting” anything that wasn’t our own.

Clearly Boykin is a god damned bible thumping moron, who wouldn’t know anything about American law, even if Roy Moore’s graven image of the Ten Commandments was shoved up his ass.

[Solly Mack]

13. Boykin has always been bad news.

Boykin was the United States Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence under Shrub. He worked directly under Stephen Cambone (Torture Memos Cambone).

(Lt. Gen. ret.) Boykin had a long history of proselytizing while on active duty in the army.

If everyone will recall, Boykin referred to the WoT as a Christian battle/good vs. evil. (the whole of Islam)

He was also over the government program that paid for Christian missionaries to spy on North Korea. That's right - under Shrub - tax dollars paid for Christian missionaries to proselytize and spy on North Korea. The Pentagon contracted a non-profit, funded them, and some of the aids didn't (supposedly) know they were carrying other items on their trips.

[0rganism]

14. looks like our nation is slouching toward Gilead

seems to be happening quicker than i ever thought it could.
i guess those zombie TV shows were right: when it falls apart, it falls apart fast.

[WhiteTara]

17. Our constitution was based on the Magna Carta which in turn

was based on the Laws of Hywel Dda in Wales. Also, the Algonquins were very instrumental. The bible? No. Absolutely not.

[VMA131Marine]

18. Not necessarily the Magna Carta

but certainly the US Constitution has much of its basis in English Common Law.

[WhiteTara]

20. which I thought came from the Magna Carta?

My history classes were long ago and far away.

[bitterross]

21. I stopped at "The Family Research Council's..." Nothing important comes after that.

Seriously, nothing they say makes good sense. They are a hate group.