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appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 11:12 AM Jun 2018

The NRA's "GOOD GUY WITH A GUN" MYTH, Just Had A Bad Weekend

While the National Rifle Association (NRA) and other gun advocates often claim that the answer to America’s alarming rate of gun violence is the presence of a so-called “good guy with a gun,” a pair of incidents over the weekend further debunked that claim.

On Sunday night, a man drove onto a football field in Dallas, Texas and opened fire. Several spectators started shooting back, which resulted in gunshot wounds to five people, including a pregnant woman who was struck in the chest.
She remains in critical condition, but doctors say her child is expected to survive.
Not many additional details are known, but local law enforcement described the scene to CBS Dallas/Fort Worth: Police said that the first officers who arrived at the scene acted like paramedics, using tourniquets on the arms and legs of victims to stop their bleeding. These quick actions could have saved lives in this incident.

A day earlier, video surfaced of an FBI agent mishandling his gun and accidentally shooting a man at a bar in Denver, Colorado. The off-duty agent attempted to do a backflip at Mile High Spirits while a handgun was in the waistband of his pants on Saturday morning. After the gun fell onto the floor, the agent picked it up and accidentally discharged his weapon, striking a bar patron in the leg. The victim was rushed to the hospital and is in good condition, according to KMGH. KMGH described the scene on the video after after the weapon is discharged: Some people in the crowd scatter for safety as others look in disbelief. The man then appears to put the gun in the back of his pants and is seen holding his hands up before walking away from the shot.

David Laferriere, who helped tend to the victim, confirmed that the agent walked away after the shooting: “As far as I’m concerned, (the agent) made no effort, whatsoever, to take care of the victim, even though he was probably the best trained of anyone there to take care of the victim.”...“It’s a joke that the agent was even in that environment. I don’t want to jump to the conclusion that he’s not qualified, but he clearly isn’t the caliber of person to have that responsibility, given his actions in that moment.”...

In November, police in Colorado said identifying and pursuing a shooting suspect was made more difficult by the number of civilians who pulled out guns after the incident. Though President Donald Trump has repeated the “good guy with a gun” myth, a study by the National Bureau of Economic Research showed...More, https://thinkprogress.org/it-was-a-bad-weekend-for-the-nras-good-guy-with-a-gun-myth-45a00ccc5e0a/



Off-duty FBI agent accidentally discharges his weapon after doing a backflip at a bar in Denver, CO. Video still, KMGH.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Ah come on, gunners tell us they are better trained than police. They wouldn't shoot innocent people
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 11:18 AM
Jun 2018

trying to save their rears or being a hero. Gun-fanciers really are a screwed up segment of society. Yet, we continue to coddle them.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
3. The wild west revisited. There's a reason people stopped walking around with guns on their hips
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 11:19 AM
Jun 2018

years ago.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. Hadn't heard about the Dallas story, for some reason
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jun 2018

I don't understand how so many bystanders could get hit with stray bullets, though. Such a thing is unpossible, according to the NRA and its terrorists members. As for the FBI nincompoop in the bar, what is this "accidentally discharged" stuff? I've also been told in no uncertain terms for years that "the gun didn't go off by itself." Does the FBI have a special gun that does go off by itself, and it's standard issue to its agents?

Lisa0825

(14,487 posts)
14. I'm in Houston, and I hadn't heard about it either.
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 12:45 PM
Jun 2018

I wonder if the NRA is pressuring local media outlets to bury the story?

Lisa0825

(14,487 posts)
17. Yeah, now I have heard about it, but usually when something is big news
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 03:26 PM
Jun 2018

in Dallas, Austin, or San Antonio, it is also on our local affiliates and papers, with promos every other commercial break.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
7. "accidentally discharged his weapon"...
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 11:28 AM
Jun 2018

Fuck no. He negligently discharged his weapon.

If you carry a gun, you lose the right to have accidents.

If you don't want that responsibility, don't carry a gun.

Sid

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
8. Quite so, not to mention that the performing off duty agent
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 11:37 AM
Jun 2018

left the shot victim to the care of others in the bar..

Must have been a heck of a back flip, lol, but clearly not for the patron injured.

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