Manafort is FUCKED. And that means...

[berni_mccoy]

Trump is too.

You have to be either completely stupid or completely desperate to tamper with witnesses once you've been indicted by a special prosecutor. Manafort knew he was being observed and monitored which is why he used encrypted software to attempt to communicate. So he's not stupid.

Manafort *is* going to go to jail until his trial. He will break and will turn against Trump to save his own ass. And if Trump tries to pardon him, I suspect Mueller has a plan for that.

Manafort just set off a move that allows Mueller to check-mate Trump. This is the beginning of the end.

[PearliePoo2]

1. Man, I hope so. We all need some good news and reasons to be hopeful. Question please.

When is the judge expected to rule on this, have you heard?

I would expect it to be as soon as possible, but I'm clueless about legal proceedings.
Thanks!

[tazkcmo]

4. Rachel asked the same question

The answer was probably in a couple of days so I would think he'd be in jail by Friday if not sooner.

[PearliePoo2]

8. Someone said that the jail he would be going to wasn't anything fancy, just a

regular, old, depressing, run-of-the-mill jail.

The man who has lived a life of luxury with the finest tailored suits, the finest food and expensive imported rugs is going to be in for a fucking shock.

[tazkcmo]

10. I hope

I hope he likes bologna.

[tazkcmo]

57. Literally! n/t

[Haggis for Breakfast]

70. To quote the late GREAT Bill Hicks,

"Let the party begin."

[WinstonSmith4740]

72. I hope he doesn't.

He'll be getting it a lot, and I hope he chokes on it.

[Honeycombe8]

89. They feed bologna in jail? I didn't even know bologna was still made!

That's too great! (I'm so bad. But he'd deserve it, if that's what the meals are.)

[tazkcmo]

94. White bread

Maybe a mayo packet, chips, a little milk carton like school, some kind of"desert" (cookie made from dust).

Probably not what he's accustomed to. On the plus side, he'll get to network with a whole new population.

[Honeycombe8]

96. LOL. Yes, he'll get to "meet new people!" Hahahaha. nt

[NewJeffCT]

16. I think Manafort should be put in maximum security

because he may contract the Putin Flu in a regular prison, or maybe the prison food gets contaminated with polonium.

[Gore1FL]

17. A lifetime in Florence ADX seems like a good choice. nt

[lagomorph777]

53. How 'bout Gitmo?

The GOP kept it open as a great place to store the most hardened and dangerous criminals. As part of the Trump Gang, he certainly qualifies.

[Honeycombe8]

90. Definitely not given a computer or smartphone. Just sayin'. :) nt

[Takket]

28. Since these traitors all like Arapio so much they should go to his old jail.

[Honeycombe8]

91. +1. nt

[samnsara]

32. im thinking its safer than being out in the open

[montanacowboy]

34. Most likely the D.C. Jail

I lived there for a while and used to walk our dogs in Congressional Cemetery which is adjacent to the DC Jail. NOT a place you would want to be. Oh Paul, those million dollar suits will be exchanged for some fancy orange jumps.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Leghorn21]

48. Oh damn, cowboy, I read this as "Most likely the D.C. Jail, I lived there for a while."

(...not that there’s anything wrong with a little time in jail!!)

And oh yesss, I love this headline from last October:

“Manafort has a thing for suits so expensive that FBI agents photographed them during raid”


GOOD TIMES!!

[lunatica]

58. But to his surprise he will feel strangely at home.

[BigmanPigman]

61. I just heard on CNN it would be Fri if Manafort doesn't

do something before then.

[Eyeball_Kid]

5. Today is the day. n/t

[PearliePoo2]

9. Really? Today? That would be awesome!

I'm not hearing anything about the time period for the judge's decision on the news and I've been listening non-stop!

[canetoad]

51. I just read on another thread

That a decision will be made on Friday, suggesting this week, but the article said the 15th of June which is Friday week.

[PearliePoo2]

55. On CNN, a panelist said that Manafort has until this Friday to respond.

How desperate and scared is he?

As someone else suggested, he's had a LOT of time to plan an escape. Could he be a serious flight risk before Friday?

Maybe he should be fit today with additional bracelets and a SHOCK COLLAR around his neck!

[WinstonSmith4740]

73. I love the shock collar idea.

It would be totally awesome if we here at DU could control it!

[FakeNoose]

93. They've known all along that he's a flight risk

That's why Mueller has frozen Manafort's assets and reported his passport numbers to every TSA scanner in the country. If he tries to fly out of the country he'll be caught, but there are other ways to get out. Manafort wears an ankle cuff with GPS senser that's monitored all the time, so he wouldn't get far.

However he's forfeited on the deal he made for house arrest privileges, and now he's going to jail.

Just a reminder that Cheeto said at the very beginning of the Mueller investigation, "If Manafort goes down, I'm going down too." Their fates are linked and even Cheeto knows it.

[PearliePoo2]

95. That's some good info there, thank you.

And I'm not familiar with the BLOTUS quote about if Manafort goes down, he will too. That's pretty revealing!

So they have his money tied up, passport seized, all communications monitored and a GPS strapped to his ankle.

Sounds good but I still don't trust this criminal asshole.

Question about GPS ankle bracelets. Does anyone know if they send out an alarm if they're messed with? I would think so, but I don't know.

For example, let's say that Manafort cut the thing off and put it in his bed so it appeared to the monitors that he had retired for the night, was sleeping and holding still. That theoretically would give him time to get on a private airplane and fly to some other country.

The Feds need to post a 24 hour armed sentry (or two or three) at this fucker's house until a week from Friday when they drag his ass in front of the pissed-off judge and she sends him to jail for good and forever.

[OliverQ]

23. She will probably decide today whether to have a hearing and bring

in Mueller's team, Manafort, and his defense lawyers to discuss this and changes to his bail. Or should flat out just say bail is revoked, Go to jail, although the latter is unlikely without a hearing first.

But witness tampering is a very serious offense, so she will likely make a decision within the next few days about whether to send him to jail.

[Stonepounder]

74. What I heard tonight:

Manafort's lawyers have until Friday, 6/8 to respond to Mueller's filing.
There will be a hearing on Friday 6/15 to decide whether to revoke Manafort's bail and send him to jail.

Note: I also heard that the standard of proof that there be 'probable cause' to believe the allegations, not 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.

I suspect that Manafort won't be enjoying his dinner of 6/15.

[PearliePoo2]

80. Thanks, I heard that too. One legal pundit said Manafort better bring his toothbrush because...

he's absolutely going to jail, probably forever.

He said judges REALLY hate it and get PISSED when guys do this shit (tamper with witnesses) when they're out on bail.
The legal analyst said it pisses off the prosecution too but also makes them happy because now they're going to really nail the son of a bitch. (works for me! )

[radical noodle]

79. Friday, June 15th

is when the judge will hear it. Most reporters and lawyers are saying he should take his toothbrush to court.

[PearliePoo2]

81. Yes! That's what I heard too! Thanks!

Or in the immortal words of Don Jr.,"If it's what you say it is, I LOVE it."

[thbobby]

2. I hope you are right

but trump has gotten by with things that dumfound me. I have believed he is fucked too many times. But, it will be spectacular when it does happen. And I agree with your assessment but am just wary of being optimistic.

[spinbaby]

3. That would explain the panic tweeting

Kind of looks like things will break soon..

[OnDoutside]

21. Maybe something else explains that. How would he have known that ?

[Meadowoak]

6. He is gonna squeell like a pig

[Honeycombe8]

92. Not sure about that. He might be afraid of the Russians. Putin tends to kill people who might squeal

I would think that Manafort would have that in the back of his mind as a possibility.

[FSogol]

7. My sons wants us to buy some fireworks to set off when Trumpy leaves office. n/t

[pazzyanne]

11. I like the way your son thinks!

I'll vote for that, and a big national parade with a humongous BBQ after that.

[FSogol]

12. V-T Day!

[eggplant]

75. It turns out that this photo is actually of a drunk sailor and a non-consenting stranger.

Sucks, given it's iconic representation, but it really isn't what it looks like.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/unromantic-truth-vj-kiss-photo/

[90-percent]

13. Screw the parade

The day DT gets escorted from the White House in handcuffs should become a FEDERAL HOLIDAY!

I'm betting on DEMOCRACY = 1, TYRANNY = 0 in this game!

-90% Jimmy

[pazzyanne]

15. You convinced me.

A Federal Holiday is in order. Could the parade be part of it? I wouldn't mind paying for that parade. I hate the idea of paying for tRump's parade.

[jayschool2013]

35. And with Pence in the White House

the resistance must focus its energy on fighting the American Taliban. The struggle continues.

[pazzyanne]

44. Absolutely.

I'm one of those people who are hoping that the investigations brings them all down. christian Sharia Law is just as bad and the Muslim Sharia Law that those Christians decry.

[berni_mccoy]

14. LOL

[Ligyron]

39. That is a Star-Spangled spectacular idea!

Good thinking kiddo!

[Quixote1818]

56. I think World Wide celebrations need to be organized

An ultimate "Fuck You" to Trump on the way out from the entire world!

[gordianot]

18. Witness tampering is so stupid it makes you wonder if it was on purpose.

Jail just might be a refuge for this POS.

[NewJeffCT]

19. Manafort has gotten away with everything for his entire life

if he thinks Trump will pardon him, why would he care?

[Stuart G]

65. Your words are very special.." Manafort has gotten away with everything for his entire life"

We all know...Manafort is not the only one....who.." has gotten away with everything for his entire life."

So has Trump...and I hope in my heart, .......... Trump goes down 100 times harder than Manafort........

(and I think he will)

[Bernardo de La Paz]

33. Manafort must be desperate. . . . nt

[rownesheck]

20. there have been

so many "beginnings of the end", that I'll believe it when i see it. I'm still under the impression that they'll all get off with a slap on the wrist and we'll see another trump term. Americans have shown too often that we are an immature, immoral and stupid bunch. How many unregulated guns are floating around? How many hummers are out rampaging along the road? How bout those awesome coal rolling rednecks? How many dumbasses believed pizza basement? How many don't believe Mueller has found any wrongdoing? How many aren't treating our current situation as an absolute, horrifying crisis? How many republicans still support this idiocy? I hope I'm wrong. We just need to not get too excited about the prospect of the beginning of the end.

[jayschool2013]

36. Bingo

And the theocracy will continue to build, especially with a certified born-again loon in the White House.

[magicarpet]

43. The Macho Jesus Buy-bull thumping crowd will go totally bonkers....

.... once Pence is in the Oval Office. Expect them to go into high gear as soon as Pence enters the office of the presidency. They know they only have a short window where they are in complete control so they will max out the changes to a Fascist Christian Theocracy at twice the speed of light. They will be euphoric with the new power invested in the Crazy Christian Fundamentalist extreme Right Wing of the Nazi Republican Party.

You think team trDump is ruthless, wait until Pence grabs the reins of power and enacts his warped version of Christianity. Democracy will likely not withstand the turmoil and disruptions soon to come our way.

[smirkymonkey]

46. I hate to admit it, but I am thinking the same way you are.

I am tired of getting my hopes up only to be disappointed.

[duforsure]

22. I agree

That's why all the desperate acts, statements, and accusations are being floated now by ghouliani and trump, they know they've been caught.

[MyOwnPeace]

45. They are nasty signs of something........

but like other posters here, I'm just going to take some deep breaths, cross more fingers, and WAIT (Gawd, it does seem like the wait has been forever!) until we actually SEE something serious happen that will trigger the end for IQ45.

[aeromanKC]

24. Witness Protection for Manafort

Manafort is dead man walking. His best hope not to be killed by either Trump cabal or Putin is Witness Protection Program. IF Mueller will offer it.

[duforsure]

83. I agree

[ButSeeYa]

25. From your e-lips to God's ears.

I hope you're right.

[snort]

26. No, he's stupid.

It's the mysterious part of criminality: How can they get so far when they're such fucking idiots?

[SergeStorms]

69. In Manafort's case....

bribery, dishonesty, criminality etc. These guys think they're the smartest guys on the planet. They're not even the smartest guys in the room.

[PubliusEnigma]

27. He's safer from Putin in jail. There doing Paul a favor, really.

[uponit7771]

29. Putin kills people's family's first Manfort is really stupid

[duforsure]

30. That's what I was thinking too.

How long before people associated here with trump and putin start ending up silenced ? Anyone thinking they'll be saved by these people are dreaming, they'll get rid of them if they get the chance.

[samnsara]

31. im buying stock in Jiffy Pop!

[ehrnst]

37. Hopefully fucked enough to turn on everyone who works with him. (nt)

[BobTheSubgenius]

38. I mostly subscribe to the "more afraid of Putin than jail" theory.

Jail may change his mind, or find that even an incredibly short-sighted and brief respite is better than none, and then spend his life trying not to contract Polonium Flu.

[C Moon]

40. Trump gave the "all clear" signal with his round of pardons, so these traitors now

think it's okay for them to lie and cheat further.
They are ALL scum ass traitors.
But sometimes I wonder: are they really as dumb as that, or is it part of a bigger picture?

[brooklynite]

41. More to the point, why tamper with witnesses if you think you'll be getting a pardon?

[gordianot]

42. Bingo

[yonder]

62. exactly!

All this time, it sounds he would be staying true to drump. No flipping.

Perhaps one or two things have happened. One, maybe a flipping opportunity has been explicitly denied by the Special Counsel. Two, he has been told by the 45 team that he was going to have to fall on his sword, become the sacrificial goat with no pardon offered. If both are true then he is really stuck, and he's left to his own devices to try and un-fix himself.

[berni_mccoy]

63. Indeed

[Tatiana]

66. Now *there's* the money question.

Maybe he wants to be in jail.

[Tipperary]

47. I will believe it when I see it.

So many predictions that never come true.

[ooky]

49. I'm probably the only one, but I think he will try to run.

The court gave him plenty of time to plan an escape. Hope the Feds have his house under 24 hour survelliance.

[berni_mccoy]

50. I believe he wears an ankle device and I'm also sure he's being watched closely.

[Raster]

64. Manafort has TWO ankle devices.

[empedocles]

54. Just opening this thread I got a malware/block warning!

Again, I got it. Anyone else getting anything like that?

[eggplant]

76. Me as well, via Malwarebytes. n/t

[empedocles]

87. 3rd malware warning, again on this site, 'latest threads'

?

[empedocles]

97. Now I get relentless malwarebytes premium, 'upgrade available' - that don't take

just keep coming. annoying

[AwakeAtLast]

59. Is this the reason for Cheetolini's meltdown

Over the Eagles?

[Iggo]

60. Absolutely.

[DoctorJoJo]

67. "Paul, Meet Your New Cellmate, Bubba. But Don't Look At Him, He HATES That!"

[SergeStorms]

68. "So he's not stupid."

I beg to differ. Anyone attempting to contact a witness for the purpose of suborning perjury, using encrypted software or not, is stupid. He should know the government has much more weight behind it than he could ever hope to have.

Manafort is a stupid, stupid man. I hope he goes to jail for it, I hope Mueller has an airtight case against him, I hope Manafort loses his case, and I hope he goes to prison for the rest of his life. Those are my most fervent hopes concerning Mr. Manafort.

[Honeycombe8]

71. Whether he's going to jail while waiting for trial isn't decided yet. We'll see.

These guys own so many people that I never know what they'll be able to get away with.

But I hope he goes straight to jail and doesn't pass Go. I wonder what kind of a deal Mueller would give Manafort, though, since he's got Manafort by the ya-yas? Enough for Mueller to "sing like a boid"? I hope so.

We don't really know that Manafort can link Trump to Russian collusion, though, do we? It's hard to remember all the facts in this complex investigation with so many tentacles. I mean, these guys are knee deep in so much corruption all over the place....

[exboyfil]

77. Could he possibly give up Pence as well?

I got to think the stink of Manafort picking Pence would stick to him even if he becomes President before the 2020 election.

[7wo7rees]

78. Sit and rot, bitch.

[Mopar151]

82. We should be arranging a nice little spot for him.

With a friendly CIA interrogator to shoot the breeze with every day.

[Miles Archer]

84. No, he IS stupid.

Call it arrogance, call it hubris, call it fear of the rest of his life in prison...call it what you want, but the bus still gets off at Stupidville.

[beachbum bob]

85. mueller has to get his bail revoke and manafort thrown in jail until the trial

...let manfort think about prison for awhile. And the fact, that trump will be rendered useless to issue pardons in the future

[Boomer]

86. He's a technological idiot

Yes, he used an encrypted app, but then he stored his data in the cloud where it could be read.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

88. Third option...other than stupid or desperate is

That he is inately corrupt. That tampering with a witness is just another part of his world. I think trump is of this world too. Thinks nothing at all about sending bulldog lawyer to scare people, plays the legal, tax and bankruptcy systems, cheats on his wife, pays people for silence, smears his enemies. Both just rotten to the core.