It was so embarassing, on Morning Joke, when Rep Moulton (D) was asked

[mfcorey1]

who the leader of the Democratic party is and he responded indicating he did not know. Earlier, he said Nancy Pelosi is not the kind of representative that the party needs. That just made the Morning Joke panel's day. Repubs unify even when they know that they shouldn't. We head for the hills with divisive rhetoric. Sick of this s&*%!!

[mfcorey1]

3. Even though it might be time for a new miority leader, you cannot minimize

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Pelosi's time leadership. Nitpicking what was good and what was bad can be attributed to any one in a leadership position. She will never rise to the evil of the likes of a Mitch McConnell or a Paul Ryan.

[Hortensis]

13. "She will never rise to the evil of McConnell or Ryan?"

What an endorsement. Try finding where she ever "rose" to any evil at all. You can't.

Nancy Pelosi has been tremendously admired by her Democratic congressional colleagues her entire career, and they've repeatedly chosen her for top leadership positions because of her ferocious competence and commitment to advancing Democratic Party goals.

At least the poster you answered, in claiming Pelosi is drunk with power, admitted she has power. You bet -- the power admiring colleagues give her because she's very, very good at using it.

That she isn't speaker of the house right now, instead of Paul Ryan, isn't the fault of her colleagues.
Their plans for what they intended to accomplish this term were killed by foolish voters who allowed themselves to be turned into useful idiots for the right.

[Demsrule86]

20. Wonderful post and so true.

[mfcorey1]

29. Never meant to insinuate that she was evil in the beginning. I concur with

the rest if your post.

[TimeSnowDemos]

2. Some Dems

Are running on not supporting Pelosi as leader.

It's odd, but then again it's not. She's a lightning rod to Republicans.

[Demsrule86]

4. It is stupid. Once again Dems dancing to the GOP tune.

[TimeSnowDemos]

9. Indeed

I am reminded of why Dems had to compromise so much on Healthcare, despite having a majority.

[EffieBlack]

18. And then people blamed Pelosi and Obama for not magically conjuring up a left wing dream of a bill

[Demsrule86]

19. We waited 100 years for any sort of health care...and Nancy Pelosi pretty much sacrificed her

majority to jam it through...she is a Goddess in my book which is why the GOP hate her. Thousands perhaps millions of lives have been saved and it is still around...we can build on it and improve it. And compromise will always be needed in our form of government.

[Demsrule86]

5. Some Dems will lose...hope enough can win so we can stop Trump.

[TimeSnowDemos]

7. I agree...

But it's a weird thing when people on here attack you for not supporting Dems that bash Pelosi, and others bash you for not supporting all Dems.

'don't support Sanders, he's not a Dem...ok I'll support the guy in Missouri who talks about working with Trump, is anti-Pelosi, and supports concealed carry... Don't support him if he's anti-Pelosi...'

Etc.

[Demsrule86]

14. The person on this thread bashing Pelosi is not here anymore first of all...

Consider that. Secondly, I don't support Sen. Sanders for president because he is not a Democrat, and I think 80 is just to old to run for president. Claire McCaskill is a great Democrat and has voted with us above 90% of the time. She is a moderate Democrat which is what we need in areas like West Virginia and Missouri. All Democrats and need to be supported and not bashed especially on this site. Unless we accept the fact that in red or purple areas, we need to run moderates tailored to their district or state we won't win back Congress...especially the Senate. It is simply not doable. You can look state by state and see for yourself. Support Democrats always and vote Democratic always ... vote in midterms too. There is a decided lack of interest even here among Democrats about midterms...2020 is much more interesting with a presidential run and all, but nothing can get done by any president without a Democratic majority thus midterms are in some ways even more important especially if we lose the presidency. We have the ability to fight back unlike our present circumstance when we control nothing. The Congressman on MJ is a longtime Pelosi hater and not particularly well liked. I would take anything he says with a grain of salt.

[greymattermom]

10. Not odd to me at all

because Republican candidates ran against Nancy Pelosi rather than running against their opponents. In Georgia 6 we saw hours of commercials trying to link Jon Ossoff with Nancy Pelosi. I didn't get it at all, but it resonated with the locals.

[Demsrule86]

16. And they would do the same with any house leader...a new one would be even better. Lots of

fresh dirt...the GOP will do what they do... we can't choose our leaders because of their attacks.

[EffieBlack]

21. Please say this again

[Demsrule86]

37. Thank you! We need to stand up for our own.

[SharonClark]

34. Agree 100%

[Demsrule86]

38. Thank you too...I think Nancy is a badass.

[NCTraveler]

15. This is the one argument where people out themselves.

There are valid arguments with respect to challenging Pelosi for the speaker position, yours is not one of them.

The only option you have left yourself with when it comes to your position is that you want a conservative Republican to be the Democratic house speaker.

There is not one redeeming quality to the argument you put forward.

[EffieBlack]

22. Bingo

[Hortensis]

24. Yes! He claims his military career as his resume, but

this is analogous to aiding Iraq's military by publicly undermining our Marine Corps. He is outing himself, all right, inadequately principled and dishonorable in pursuit of power.

[EffieBlack]

23. Two questions

1. We should pick our leaders based on who Republicans prefer?

2. Do you know what a lightning rod is?

[Hortensis]

27. Agree. Only weak, very unprincipled candidates try to please

useful idiots and Republicans by attacking our own best people. A litmus test for who to get rid of.

And like you, I also know what a lightning rod is. Nancy's very good at that as well.

[NCTraveler]

6. Generals Love Him. Top Democrats Despise Him. Can He Be President Anyway?

“I don’t think I’ve seen a more opportunistic, duplicitous person serving in the House,” said a senior Democratic aide, blasting Moulton as somebody who talks bigger than he plays and who pillories Pelosi while almost always voting the same way. “He doesn’t do anything around here,” the aide said. Other members who are more supportive are reluctant to say so publicly—cautious about being seen as “giving him a bear hug,” as one Hill staffer put it, “while he’s knifing the leader.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/28/seth-moulton-congressman-run-president-2020-profile-215428

[seaglass]

11. He thinks the answer is putting his military buddies in Congress, not women. I liked

Moulton at one point, he reserved train cars (or buses I forget) for his constituents to go to the Women's March in DC but his lack of support for Pelosi is a no-go for me.

[brooklynite]

28. The two are not mutually exclusive...

[seaglass]

30. You are correct that there is a decent mix of women and men he is supporting. I'm not personally

in favor of more people with military backgrounds in government so do not support his narrow focus.

[Hortensis]

17. Joe is fighting for Republican power. That's why Moulton was on,

this "opportunistic, duplicitous person." Moulton came through for Joe, and his own schemes of course, so expect to see him invited back there some more.

I don't vote for dishonorable politicians, but he's obviously trying to appeal to those who don't care about that. He's already ruled out for 2020 as far as I'm concerned.

[Demsrule86]

8. Who was the leader of the GOP party during Pres. Obama's time? The answer, there

wasn't one...and so it has been forever. The next presidential candidate will be the head of the party.

[The Blue Flower]

12. He was very weak in his answers

Especially when Barnicle asked what he'd say to a drumpf voter to get his vote. Bernie knows what to say.

[leftynyc]

25. Pelosi would also know what to say

Anyone who trashes the most effective speaker in recent history is dead to me.

[gratuitous]

32. Isn't it weird that Moulton got on a national political show?

I mean, what are the odds that such an unrepresentative representative would be invited on a program to trash an effective Democratic leader? Almost makes me think that Morning Joe isn't the friend of Democrats that some people think it is.

[comradebillyboy]

36. Why would any Democrat think that Joe and Mika are

on our side? They are Republicans and their main criticisms of Trump are stylistic not substantive. They will be back to kissing Trump's fat ass in 2020.

[vi5]

26. Hey, you know what a good idea is?

To keep watching that stupid show, hosted by a Republican and his girlfriend, and getting mad that they present things from a Republican sympathetic point of view.

[seaglass]

31. Agreed. Have never watched this show and try not to give it any air. n/t

[iamateacher]

33. The head of the Democratic Party

Are all of us who stand for truth and decency in the world and are against treason, racism, and lies.

[JaneQPublic]

39. BINGO! The Resistance is leading the party now.

The women in the pink pussy hats.

The high school kids marching for gun reform

The African Americans speaking out for justice against police brutality.

And every introvert who never spoke out about politics before but felt compelled to become an ACTIVIST because of the horrible things Trump and the GOPer are doing to destroy everything that made America great.

Just because the other party operates on a Cult of Personality with an Authoritarian boss man serving as their party identity, it doesn't mean we need to operate by the same model.

Media talking heads won't be satisfied until a single Dem officeholder is named as the Party Leader, just so they can aim their snipes at him/her and them claim they attack both sides equally.

In reality, we don't need a party leader until 2020, and we'll have one once we choose a POTUS nominee.

[uponit7771]

40. +1

[SharonClark]

35. The worst thing on that show was elitist Tweety saying the Dems can't win

because they are ELITIST.