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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPoll: When did you last socialize with a person of a different race in their home or yours?
I asked a similar question a few weeks ago and appreciated the honest and insightful responses that people gave. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210637418
However, because the answers were largely anecdotal, I decided it would be helpful to do a more formal poll to get a sense of what people's experiences, contexts and paradigms are.
So, the question is: When was the last time you socialized with a person of a different color (loosely defined as white or person of color) in your home or theirs? The question breaks down as follows:
1) If you are white, when was the last time you socialized with a person of color (black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, Pacific Islander, etc.) in your home or theirs?
2) If you are a person of color (black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, Pacific Islander, etc.), when was the last time you socialized with a white person in their home or yours?
Thanks for responding!
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I'm white and I've never socialized with a person of color in their home or mine | |
0 (0%) |
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I'm white and most recently socialized with a person of color in their home or mine more than 5 years ago | |
4 (9%) |
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I'm white and most recently socialized with a person of color in their home or mine 1 to 5 years ago | |
1 (2%) |
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I'm white and most recently socialized with a person of color in their home or mine 1 to 12 months ago | |
7 (15%) |
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I'm white and most recently socialized with a person of color in their home or mine in the last month | |
28 (60%) |
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I'm a person of color and I've never socialized with a white person in their home or mine | |
0 (0%) |
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I'm a person of color and most recently socialized with a white person in their home or mine more than 5 years ago | |
0 (0%) |
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I'm a person of color and most recently socialized with a white person in their home or mine 1 to 5 years ago | |
1 (2%) |
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I'm a person of color and most recently socialized with a white person in their home or mine 1 to 12 months ago | |
0 (0%) |
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I'm a person of color and most recently socialized with a white person in their home or mine in the last month | |
6 (13%) |
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kwassa
(23,340 posts)Kinda hard to avoid each other, being married and all. So, within the last few minutes.
Should Effie add a line for spouses/partners &c ODC?
The_REAL_Ecumenist
(729 posts)on May 6th. I REALLY & TRULY don't care what someone looks like, speaks, their creed, etc. It ONLY matters if you're someone who respects other human beings & their right to live their lives the way they see fit. SO, it's obvious, or at least should be to anyone with 1.5 brain cells), that RACISM, ANTI-SEMITES, HOMOPHOBES, "'IGNANT" or BRAIN DEAD sheep that are more interested in fitting in with morons around them.
Nice to know there are other women like me here on DU...
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)yardwork
(61,736 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)my wife is not white and my daughter is mixed.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is a separate race, same here. About 3 hours ago. He made us scrambled eggs and we socialized over the breakfast table.
Bettie
(16,138 posts)of various types....now, I live in a weird little town in Iowa. No one socializes in their homes with people they aren't related to.
I have not gone to a non-family gathering that wasn't a concert or campout in over 16 years because we are outsiders as our grandparents did not grow up here.
I miss living in a place where people are open. This is not it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)settled there?
Here in rural Georgia most people socialize through family and church groups, and of course outsiders will never be completely accepted. I don't shop at the nearest bakery because after several visits I was still ostentatiously rejected as an outsider (conspicuous refusal to smile or talk in contrast to chatting with others, etc.). I've no doubt they're hard-core, bigoted conservatives as we've run into this behavior in many of that type, and I choose to give our business to better people. We have plenty of friends here anyway, and happily, we do socialize in each other's homes.
An old fishing friend of my husband's died last year. They'd been fishing buddies for years, we'd been to a couple of gatherings at his house before his wife died, my husband visited him in a nursing facility after he had a stroke, and we had lunch with his brother after his death, but we couldn't attend the funeral because we were white and he was black. Nothing personally hurtful meant, it was just very old tradition. Funerals are for members of the tribe only.
Bettie
(16,138 posts)and they are almost all hard line Trumpers.
We even tried joining a church. Even at church services with small kids, no one so much as said hello to us. We stopped going years ago, since the point was to try to make social contacts, which didn't work at all.
We moved from the Chicago area, where we socialized with a wide variety of people and Madison, WI before that. I still have friends from those areas who we see every so often.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)conservatives, so I can easily identify with that at least. I haven't kept it a secret that I'm liberal and Democrat, and it's normally easy to pick out the bigoted hard-cores by their cold reserve and flickering glances while they maintain the pretense of normal mannerly behaviors. We've told a lot fewer my husband's Jewish, but I imagine it's gotten around among some groups. A basic sort of litmus test for character and personality acceptable to us is simply who is open to friendship and who is closed.
Our DIL's Danish, and apparently culture there is very strongly family oriented. Even though she was raised in America since childhood and seldom visits Denmark, she's family and thus is a member of a sizable social structure she just steps into when she does. The nice side to that.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)Although to be fair, I haven't socialized with anyone besides family members in that time frame.
Nay
(12,051 posts)I'm a total nerdy introvert loner. It's great that I can indulge my loner self, though.
KT2000
(20,597 posts)and neighbor is Asian. I see her most days. It's been years since a very special friend, who is a black man, moved away but we hung out and worked on projects together.
TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)Rumana was born in Bangladesh and raised in Saudi Arabia....born Muslim but is atheist, she is absolutely the most amazing person. More compassion, empathy and emotional intelligence than anyone I have ever met. She is what most of us here aspires to be....an ultimate example of selflessness, social justice warrior...beauty radiating from inside....
We cried when trump won, she wasn't yet a citizen, we filled out the paperwork together and held our breath hoping nothing changed to quickly....we celebrated when she got it!! We went to protests together....a Bernie rally....we made packets for the homeless....
She volunteered for troubled youth, for Bangladeshi schools, she helped others get their citizenship, gave inspirational speeches....
She left last month, back to Bangladesh to work in cultural anthropology....part of what she will be doing will include working with the rohinga refugees....
She is a complete inspiration, I miss her terribly!
Hopefully she will be back in a year....till then we three connect weekly via Skype 😊
People who can't open their hearts to anyone who is not just like them, are the ones who are losing....the wonderful people they are passing by are still wonderful, elsewhere...
flyingfysh
(1,990 posts)She and my son live in the top floor of our big house, I see them every day, of course.
The smartest person I knew was a black lady who was a lawyer, and who was at one time an Assistant US Attorney. Whenever we got together, we would recommend interesting books to each other. She died a couple of years ago.
leftstreet
(36,117 posts)Maybe I'm not logging on often enough to understand the narrative here...
Is this demographic polling?
Will there be polls on DU asking about socializing with LGBTQ people? People with disabilities? Homeless people?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I don't know if there'll be polls about other demographics but I assume that if anyone interested in gauging the personal experiences of other DUers in that regard, they will certainly start one.
Perhaps if you are interested, you could start one yourself.
leftstreet
(36,117 posts)Respondents can't indicate the structures of their socializing environments
Do they live in urban multiracial areas? Do they live in rural non-multiracial areas?
Etc
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But since I'm simply trying to get a sense of the interactions people are having without judging them or the reasons therefore, that information is not useful or necessary for my poll.
However, as I said, if that kind of analysis is important to you, there's absolutely no reason that you can't create your own.
In the meantime, I'll continue gathering the information that I've asked for.
leftstreet
(36,117 posts)I was just confused by yours
I'm sure most of the respondents will choose the option you're hoping for - white and have socialized with a different race within the past month.
Although my sense from many years here is that most members live in non-multiracial suburbs and rural areas. People have good intentions, and when they see a poll that appears to be seeking a way to prove those intentions, that's how they answer
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)are pretty off base and your persistent but unwelcome splaining how you think I should approach this appear to be little more than an attempt to disrupt.
I suggest you either respond to the poll or, if its too confusing for you, simply ignore it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I have grave doubts about the validity of any viewpoint that could be constructed from it. Maybe put away any agenda for drawing generalizations and just enjoy hearing from fellow DUers.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)could be constructed from it? Or just those touching on issues you have a demonstrated discomfort with/defensiveness about?
But thank you for your advice on how I should engage with and learn from my fellow DUers. I will give it the consideration it deserves.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)data. I'm afraid it'll be used in other threads and that any analysis attempted from casual chat from the very small numbers of DUers who came to chat could only be somewhat to wildly inaccurate.
Chat's a nice thing. Data analysis is a real thing requiring expert gathering and expert analysis. We're not really living in a post-fact world.
My suggestion is that you report only the actual poll numbers, with a caveat about the poll's limitations for drawing further conclusions.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Your "concern" is noted.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And please note I did not use "wink-wink" quotation marks when recommending keeping to the facts. I'm serious. We all badly need to commit to intellectual honesty, whatever it is.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)needs experts?
It's a freaking internet poll. Really.
What are you gonna do?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Or at least that's what makes it interesting to me, even if that isn't what Effie is interested in.
Most white people live in areas almost totally away from people of color and therefore don't socialize with them at all. I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of white people who live in more diverse areas also only socialize with white people. But the distance, both literal and figurative, between white people in general and people of color has profound consequences.
FakeNoose
(32,840 posts)EffieBlack I do understand the point of your poll, that good race relations is more than occasionally waving hello to the family down the street. Good relations means friendship and hospitality, sharing a meal, inviting people over etc.
However in my case I would skew your results so I'm not going to participate. My son has a successful happy 23-year marriage with a lovely woman who is 100% Filipino. My grandson (a truly great kid) is 50% white and 50% Filipino and I'm fine with that. Over the years we've had many family and social events with both families together and everything has gone well. My daughter-in-law considers herself a POC but I've never thought of her that way. She's a beautiful intelligent woman from an awesome family, and I'm very happy she married my son. We consider her "one of us," and she knows it. We have socialized with the Filipino relatives for holidays, birthdays, and family events whenever possible at least 1x or 2x per year. If I lived in New York it would happen a lot more often.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Nor is the point of my poll to characterize what makes good v. bad race relations.
I'm simply trying to get a sense of people's interactions with each other, period. This is not about WHY people are engaging or not engaging with people who are different, so it's not necessary for it to be contextualized in order for the information to be helpful to me.
I'm not judging anyone, so people don't need to feel defensive or to explain their situations. I'm just asking a simple question.
eShirl
(18,506 posts)In Maine, which is something like 98% white.
Bless them for growing my medicine for me.
(they do business from their home)
thucythucy
(8,104 posts)Makes me think maybe I should do one on disability. Both my partner and I have significant disabilities. My partner uses a power wheelchair for mobility, which means something like 90% of all American homes, houses and apartments are difficult if not impossible for us to get into. It's slowly getting better, but this kind of segregation is quite literally carved in stone (steps). On the plus side, it can make for a very tight knit disability community.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Go for it!
thucythucy
(8,104 posts)Best wishes.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)such as your comment that it can make for a tight-knit disability community and enlarging on that. Doesn't need to be a poll unless you want, of course, enlightenment is in the discussion of personal experiences.
I remember the outcries on the right when activists woke up good politicians to the problem and we started making the streets (more) navigable for disabled people. Almost every sidewalk corner in America was poured after wounded came home from two world wars, which was egregious; but that didn't keep the patriots Republicans were still claiming to be from insisting that retrofitting them was ridiculous and too would be expensive.
What else/more should we have done long ago?
cilla4progress
(24,790 posts)With Muslim family of our exchange student.
This count?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Its not an exam ...
cilla4progress
(24,790 posts)By the way... my three twenty-something year old exchange and own daughters really got after me for my inappropriate racist attitudes in the car on the way home!
While I am certain they are more woke than I, a 63 year old white woman of privilege, I did try to provoke them into understanding the perspective of someone of the older generation who is on the learning curve. Not sure if I succeeded, but thats OK, too.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)inferior to you and you probably dont have the power to affect their lives.
You likely instead have some prejudices and biases - as do we all - that are the result of your life experiences and environment but that youre open to recognizing and trying to overcome. I dont think thats racism - I think its awesome.
Trying to do better doesnt mean that were awful and recognizing that we can do better is not an admission that were bad people.
Most of us are just doing the best we can. And when we know better, we do better.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)And don't tell me you aren't.
This thread should be deleted.
You are giving the other side exactly what
they want.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Talking about race isnt race-baiting.
But accusing people who are trying to talk honestly about race of race-baiting and trying to shut them up is.
Response to EffieBlack (Reply #29)
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cilla4progress
(24,790 posts)Discussing with my 20-somethings.
Their point, as I understand it, was discussing race with someone of another race/ethnicity ( 2 of 3 are Afghan Muslims) points out their "otherness."
While I don't entirely agree, I take their point that it's more sensitive to wait for an invitation, especially for myself as a person of the dominant white culture. I was just trying to explain that for us old white people, many of whom are confused about what might offend - but trying and open to learning - this can create a chilling effect.
I appreciate your posts!
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Often people WANT to say something but are afraid that if we do, we'll get the kind of reaction we often see on DU - being attacked, dismissed, challenged, etc.
We often DON'T invite white folk to discuss things. Why not broach the topic yourselves? You don't have to just start in on whatever you feel like talking about, but just asking a question or indicating an interest in our opinion goes a long way. For example, saying something like, "I just read about this or that incident and realize how little I understand it since I've never experienced it since I'm white. Has anything like that ever happened to you?"
That will likely either stimulate a response that will lead to an interesting conversation - or the person can just say, "No" and move on.
Just a suggestion. But waiting for an invitation to say something is, in my view, a little bit of a copout.
cilla4progress
(24,790 posts)I think its about a fear of being. inappropriate.
Sure appreciate this frank conversation.
hunter
(38,339 posts)I grew up in a place like that, a land of racists and clueless wypipo, a place where DWBs and WWBs were a favorite sport of the racist police department, a place where shopkeepers called 911 on black people, etc., a place that was very unfriendly to anyone who wasn't white.
My parents were there because they are artists and that was where their day jobs were. Artists can't be too picky, especially when they have a mess of kids to feed. (My parents didn't believe in birth control until the station wagon was full.)
wikipedia
Me and my siblings fled Whitelandia as soon as we were able. So did my parents.
I've spent about four decades of my life now living in communities that are not white majority.
One of my grandpas was a White Wild West racist. He had a fit when I chose to marry, in his words, "a Mexican girl." Men in his family just didn't do that. He boycotted our wedding, but to his credit he got over it.
Where I live now there are about as many black people as there are white people like me. The majority cultures are Mexican American and Asian American.
The noisy kids living next door to us are fully tri-lingual Filipino Mexican American. In our larger community, 40% of the kids don't speak English at home. This place is more "American" to me than any white place I've lived.
I suppose the most American place I've lived is an Indian Reservation.
U.S.A. white culture has its positive aspects, but it carries a huge load of baggage.
I try not to be a clueless white person, but even now I have my moments...
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)nolabear
(42,001 posts)And he is my heart.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)My BIL is half Puerto Rican half Columbian. On the other hand, I should point out that it rarely (if ever) crosses my mind that he is Hispanic. Maybe that's the thing to strive for?
Lithos
(26,404 posts)But the I have socialized maybe 4 times as described above during the last six months. Two would fit the poll.
I am private and i return the favor.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)how many DUers have multiple races in their families or extended families.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)pnwmom
(109,020 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)You start a discussion and theres an option to create a poll. Click that and you can easily add your choices.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)But it won't be easy to formulate the options!
iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,603 posts)I hadnt even thought about it till I saw your poll. We live on a boat in a marina on one of the canals, in a somewhat rural area. Everyone around here seems to be white. We mostly socialize with my husbands relatives. In Florida, before we moved, my answer would have been often, I like to cook and threw a lot of dinner parties, poc were included.
I find it strangely unsettling that Id not even given thought to it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)at least they bought and rehabbed one of those astonishingly narrow boats and navigated it around.
As for "unsettling" just now, did you perhaps adjust over this year? I'm from Southern California, like Florida extremely diverse, and it took a couple years after moving to Georgia before an all-white party or other gathering didn't strike me as at first weird, and then just noticeable. Now it wouldn't, unless it was a political or municipal event; those are always mixed.
iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,603 posts)That I just wasnt paying attention. The narrow boat we bought, we gutted and replaced everything inside, it was a retirement project and a wonderfully busy life. Its eccentric, but comfortable and fun. We rarely take time off to socialize and living in 300 square feet means I really cant throw dinner parties anymore. So until Effie posted her poll, I hadnt thought about it.
I lived in N. California which was extremely diversified, then moved to N. Florida, which is still fairly segregated. But I lived in an artist/musician area so my friends came in all colors.
I think I just automatically adjusted to my surroundings.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that required some adjustment and enlightenment, or are the people who choose that too...eclectic to be anything but generally widely accepting?
Do you ever post pictures or talk about it elsewhere?
iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,603 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)from living more quietly now in the country that not being involved in a busy group or groups eliminates a whole lot of potential complications. Need never go beyond the pleasant acquaintance stage if not desired.
iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,603 posts)Almost pushy friendly. They seem to enjoy hearing my accent and they have a million questions. Everybody helps each other on the marina and thats refreshing. Weve made friends with all of the dog walking crowd. The marina gets very noisy on weekends, so we tend to take the boat out on the canal and find a quiet, peaceful place to moor up and hang out. Im fortunate, in that my husband and I are best friends and we are quite content with just each other for company. I dislike high drama and gossip. Its an eclectic bunch with highly educated professors to really downright illiterate. We all share a passion for the water, for the wildlife, and for the sheer tranquility that living on a boat brings.
Plus, they all, to a person, cant stand Trump.
Maybe Ill throw an outdoor bring your own chair barbecue.
herding cats
(19,569 posts)I had some friends over for a birthday party.
I just got lucky on this one. Normally I'm really busy and don't get a lot of downtime and find it difficult to host a lot nowadays, but Memorial Day is the one weekend I both get off and is my spouses birthday celebration. We always chill with our friends here that one weekend.
More often than not I meet up someplace for dinner and/or drinks away from home the rest of the time. That is unless we're counting emergencies like family crisis type situations where people need support? Then I stop by at least a dozen (or more, depending) times a year.
CaseyinSeattle
(10 posts)In my immediate neighborhood we have 7 homes..3 white, 2 black, 1 Asian and mine is multiracial and we do get along and socialize with each other.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)The very nice black man who is living with my daughter, becomes my son in law.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)TNLib
(1,819 posts)other than that we are not very social and do little entertaining. We tend to be shy natured. But our family is very diverse. I'm starting to think of us as the all American family.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)anybody. So I am probably not the target audience for this poll.
Bryant
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Petrushka
(3,709 posts)I could have voted if that fourth choice was re-worded to say "... in the past 1 to 12 months." or, simply, "1 to 12 months ago."---because "more than" doesn't fit. As it stands, there's no choice provided for those us who socialized with people of color in our homes within the past couple of months.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But it seems pretty self-explanatory.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
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kwassa
(23,340 posts)Some of us exist in an extremely diverse world, but even in diversity social groups often break along racial or ethnic lines.
My area (DC suburbs) is wildly diverse that it is hard to do that, but much of the world isn't. There are still racial ghettos in the US as a result of our long racist history in unfair housing practices.
IronLionZion
(45,599 posts)until I find one who can stand to live with me.
I love socializing with white women and do it as much as I can.
wonkwest
(463 posts)And my boyfriend is Filipino.
So, daily for the most part. There are mixed race marriages in my immediate and extended family as well.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)But my interaction is minimal simply because they're doing their thing, so I selected the least one.
All my non-white friends, for the most part, are spread across the world and I'm in suburbia, though in very heavy Portuguese town.
CTyankee
(63,914 posts)my car gassed up(I no longer can do this) yesterday. I bought him some lunch. He serves as a volunteer for the Homeless Commission (my husband is the chairman of this commission and is also a volunteer).
This reminds me of something that happened years ago. My new next door neighbors, a white family, were moving in. The wife flew in with their children and the husband would arrive a few days later with a friend in the moving van. The wife and kids seemed lovely and while I was kind and welcoming to them, as is often the case in this situation - based on past experience - I was taking a wait-and-see attitude before becoming too comfortable. I'd been burned before in these situations.
Then hubby showed up. With his best friend, a black man who'd helped him drive the truck and move the furniture in and get them settled before flying back home.
And I looked at this white family who didn't just have a "black friend" but whose black friend drove a truck cross-country and helped them move and was their daughter's godfather and I knew all would be well.
And it was. Even though we now live in different states, 25 years later, we are closer than family ... Just last month that friend and I danced like silly kids at his goddaughter's wedding.
As you know from your own experience, there are friends and then there are friends.
CTyankee
(63,914 posts)a lacrosse field getting whacked with a stick.
His mother was also a friend when she was alive. She was a bright, witty woman who also went to Yale. We thought the world of her and were so sad when she passed.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,920 posts)since I now live in a city (Santa Fe, NM) where there are few persons of color, and somehow I don't think of Native Americans that way. I also have a too-small social circle which is the bigger problem.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Im half japanese. My brother is the only one I hang out with who is also half japanese. Im married to a Latina and most of my friends are black or asian. So a harder question for me is definitely pertaining to the same race as opposed to different races. I mean being mixed race, my parents are not even the same race as me.
haele
(12,686 posts)They were getting ready to see Infinity Wars as a group last night and hadn't seen Thor Ragnorak yet, so we invited one and all over to sit in pillows on the floor and watch on our big screen.
Between the eight of us, we were all shades of brown, from slightly aged ivory to dark chocolate, with some caramel in between.
And to eat - Wingstop Hot wings, three types of chips and about four types of dip, popcorn, home-made cookies, with hard cider and/or a good stout for all!
Haele
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)Of course I've been on the road since then and haven't been home since March (on and off the road in all of 2018).
(I'm white).