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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:41 AM Jun 2018

Is Robert Mueller an unwitting ally for Trump and Republicans??

Is the Special Counsel's investigation giving Donald Trump extra time he might not have if he had to answer to political pressures if there was no Special Counsel? Is the Mueller investigation giving politicians from both Parties an excuse to not get involved because it might interfere with the investigation?

In the interim, he is getting away with stuff no one would ever try to get away with. He is using the investigation as a shield to protect himself from political consequences.

Just a thought...

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Is Robert Mueller an unwitting ally for Trump and Republicans?? (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2018 OP
I am worried that mitch has already given drumph assurances re getting prosecuted. BSdetect Jun 2018 #1
No. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #2
You ain't no boss of me! kentuck Jun 2018 #5
Thank you! GoCubsGo Jun 2018 #8
It's a good thought! Nt Anon-C Jun 2018 #3
Hahahahahahahahaha blake2012 Jun 2018 #4
I'd look more at delays from judges, like Kimba Wood manor321 Jun 2018 #6
The "special master crap" was necessary because of the huge amount The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #9
That worries me too. Girard442 Jun 2018 #7
I think it's time for Mueller to issue a report, call it a Draft. Waiting is not going to help the Hoyt Jun 2018 #10
I don't think so either meadowlark5 Jun 2018 #11
Sure looks like Team Mueller has Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #12
Is it something similar to what Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were executed for? kentuck Jun 2018 #13
WTF do they have to do with anything? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #14
Believe Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #16
Yeah, they were spies.. kentuck Jun 2018 #25
Along with five other persons connected to Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #28
Getting bored, Kentuck? All this drama may seem to Hortensis Jun 2018 #15
Why do you assume he would have to answer to political pressure without Mueller ? JI7 Jun 2018 #17
There is no political pressure right now... kentuck Jun 2018 #18
So you think republicans in congress will suddenly hold him accountable ? JI7 Jun 2018 #19
No, but they would need to respond to Democratic arguments... kentuck Jun 2018 #21
Democrats have no control of congress JI7 Jun 2018 #22
Sorry if that is your impression. kentuck Jun 2018 #23
Democrats ARE willing to compromise. It's not Democrats that are the problem JI7 Jun 2018 #24
I'm sure that the obstruction is coming from the Republican Party, primarily Mitch McConnell... kentuck Jun 2018 #27
No. He's thorough. When he brings a charge it's going to stick. Vinca Jun 2018 #20
no elleng Jun 2018 #26
Thank you so much for posting this Kentuck! NewsCenter28 Jun 2018 #29
I don't agree that Mueller and Rosenstein are fiddling... kentuck Jun 2018 #30
There's absolutely no application of the term "unwitting" Mr. Ected Jun 2018 #31
"If I'm mistaken in my judgment of him, my belief system would be irreparably shattered." kentuck Jun 2018 #32
No. shanny Jun 2018 #33

BSdetect

(8,999 posts)
1. I am worried that mitch has already given drumph assurances re getting prosecuted.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:44 AM
Jun 2018

Hence drumph and gangs continued deal making with impunity.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
2. No.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:47 AM
Jun 2018

The investigation is proceeding on its own timeline, and is being done carefully and thoroughly. Watergate took a lot longer and was less complicated. Let them do their jobs and stop whining about how long it's taking.

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
8. Thank you!
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:57 AM
Jun 2018

And, just because he appears to be getting away with things now, it doesn't mean he will in the end. Most likely, he and his crime syndicate are going to wish they were headed to a federal prison, rather than somewhere like Sing Sing or Southport. That asshole and his handlers don't seem to understand that there are a ton of state prosecutors on the case, and he can't pardon state crimes.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
6. I'd look more at delays from judges, like Kimba Wood
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:55 AM
Jun 2018

Kimba Wood needlessly delayed the Cohen case with this stupid special master crap, and now says materials will go to the taint team anyway if Cohen's lawyers can't finish soon! Needless and long delay which has allowed Trump to get Giuliani going.

Also the judge in CA who delayed the Stormy Daniels case due to the NY Cohen case. These judges are fiddling while fascism takes over.

Mueller has a massive investigation to handle. He can't go for the mob boss or his family until everything is ready.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
9. The "special master crap" was necessary because of the huge amount
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 12:01 PM
Jun 2018

of materials they had to review. Have you ever tried a case in federal court? Read the Constitution?

Girard442

(6,084 posts)
7. That worries me too.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:55 AM
Jun 2018

Not so much that I think Mueller is a Trump co-conspirator, but that we're all just content to sit on our hands thinking that he's got this -- until the day he's suddenly whisked away and all his work-in-progress boxed up and stuck in a secret warehouse somewhere.

The reality is that nefarious stuff that Trump and his people have openly openly admitted to should be enough to impeach him. We shouldn't have to wait to find out, say, the exact amount down to the penny that Eric has filched from the petty cash drawer.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. I think it's time for Mueller to issue a report, call it a Draft. Waiting is not going to help the
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 12:04 PM
Jun 2018

country. Personally, I don't see what waiting for trump to testify will accomplish. Catching him on a lie, isn't going to take trump down.

The country needs to know what Mueller has before the election, not years after.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
11. I don't think so either
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 12:18 PM
Jun 2018

Mueller needs to have mountains of substantiated evidence to make sure the crooks that surrounding Trump, including the house and senate, don't find a tiny hole in which to save Trump.

Additionally, I think he has to be careful who he might indict too early. If, say, he had something on Nunes and could indict him or Roger Stone, I think that would send Trump into panic mode and fire someone to stop this all.

Mueller, I think, knows what he's dealing with here and needs to be very careful. I know I'd love to see someone get indicted just to show me Mueller is finding plenty. But I'd rather he make a rock solid case to take the whole mob down.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
12. Sure looks like Team Mueller has
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 02:05 PM
Jun 2018

found a stunning amount of evidence of a Foreign Power in Collusion with wealthy Americans to subvert our Constitution.

Keep seeing a 1948 Law that Team Mueller is using to charge people with. All I know about it is this,during the Fifties it was used to charge Persons with Crimes Against the United States. That would mean this Law can be tailored to fit certain crimes.

When we here Trump crying about were is Roy Cohn, Trump understands the quicksand he is standing in. He knows his ass is grass and Team Mueller just sharpened the Lawn Mower Blade.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
13. Is it something similar to what Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were executed for?
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 04:40 PM
Jun 2018

This is serious shit people.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
16. Believe
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 04:51 PM
Jun 2018

that was the Alein Sedition Act that was used on the Rosenberg's.

The 1948 law snared their five co-conspirators .

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
25. Yeah, they were spies..
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 05:45 PM
Jun 2018
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&ei=mw8TW5WlLZCj8APku4CAAw&q=ethel+and+julius+rosenberg+were+charged+with&oq=ethel+and+julius+rosenberg+were+charged+with&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0.0.2330.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.I4TeEnKpsHs

Julius was arrested in July 1950, and Ethel in August of that same year, on the charge of conspiracy to commit espionage. Specifically, they were accused of heading a spy ring that passed top-secret information concerning the atomic bomb to the Soviet Union.
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
28. Along with five other persons connected to
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 06:24 PM
Jun 2018

Los Alamos labs. Believe the five were charged and convicted under the 48' Law of crimes against the USA.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Getting bored, Kentuck? All this drama may seem to
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jun 2018

have become normalized, but it'd be a mistake for us drama addicts to get too impatient for the denouement. After all, that signals end of show. Then a new one, of course, but unlikely to be as bizarrely humorous or lively.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
18. There is no political pressure right now...
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 05:21 PM
Jun 2018

...as far as I can tell?

It seems so obvious to me that it is obstruction of justice, also.

They are arguing whether or not the President is above the law? At least, that is what I am hearing.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
21. No, but they would need to respond to Democratic arguments...
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 05:35 PM
Jun 2018

In my opinion, the Democrats are playing defense at this time. I suppose that is a planned strategy? Just let Mueller do his job and prepare for the November elections. I don't know whether or not that is a good strategy?

JI7

(89,264 posts)
22. Democrats have no control of congress
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 05:36 PM
Jun 2018

And why are you giving republicans a pass as if their intentions are good.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
23. Sorry if that is your impression.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 05:42 PM
Jun 2018

It takes two to tango, the old saying goes. It will take compromise on both sides if they wish to fix this "problem", in my opinion. I would agree that this is not marching in goosestep.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
27. I'm sure that the obstruction is coming from the Republican Party, primarily Mitch McConnell...
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 05:52 PM
Jun 2018

So what do we do about it? Nothing? Because Republicans will not compromise with us?

Shouldn't they be able to communicate with each other? I would hope that they are.

Personally, if I had anything to say about it, I would favor indicting Trump and forcing it to the Sjupreme Court as quickly as possible. We need to get this possible crisis under control.

Is the President above the law or is he not? If he is not above the law, then he must answer to the same laws as Joe Citizen. That has been a cornerstone of our Justice System since the beginning of our nation, so far as I know?? Isn't that why we broke away from King George and Britain?

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
29. Thank you so much for posting this Kentuck!
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 06:27 PM
Jun 2018

Mueller and Rosenstein are fiddling while Rome burns with Trump’s approval rating skyrocketing and our generic ballot lead crashing. Rosenstein and Mueller are both showing themselves to be toothless tigers. I. Actually. Trusted. Them. And they let me down by letting the asshole Trump define them and destroy any credibility the investigation has. Disgusting!

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
30. I don't agree that Mueller and Rosenstein are fiddling...
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jun 2018

I think they are doing their jobs the best that they can.

My point is that while they are doing their job, the Mobster and his fixers are doing very dramatic damage to our country and our institutions.

They are not wittingly helping Trump, in my opinion.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
31. There's absolutely no application of the term "unwitting"
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 06:33 PM
Jun 2018

That can be applied to Robert Mueller.

To be honest, my faith in America and the rule of law rests foursquare on that man's shoulders.

If I'm mistaken in my judgment of him, my belief system would be irreparably shattered.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
32. "If I'm mistaken in my judgment of him, my belief system would be irreparably shattered."
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 06:35 PM
Jun 2018

That scares me very much.

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