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tnvoter

(257 posts)
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:27 AM Aug 2012

About Gabby... And other US olympians

The popular US media does a pretty good job of profiling the struggles of athletes from various countries, giving all of them essentially the same sympathetic/root-the-underdog treatment. EXCEPT in one respect.

Why are American families that "give up" their children to training programs, relocating them across the country, celebrated in the US media for their "sacrifice" made with love while parents who do the same thing in other countries disparaged? The motivation for both is fame and money.

The training of elite athlethes at an early age is fueled by ambition - whether it is the parents or the athletes, it is hard to tell at the age the sacrifices are made. The motivation is universal, whether you live in an eastern bloc country, China or the US.

In the end, the athlete and the families prosper and benefit from the fame and the "sacrifice" is considered an investment that paid off in ways that other routes to success (like education) cannot. Why is it revered when americans do it, but shamed when Chinese parents do it?

I'm not knocking the sacrifice of Gabby Douglas' mother.... I'm just saying.... This sacrifice is not unique and in many cases, especially if the athlete is not American, disparaged.

Seems hypocritical. Please discuss...

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About Gabby... And other US olympians (Original Post) tnvoter Aug 2012 OP
Because of the false perception WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #1
wrong spot. nt Javaman Aug 2012 #6
devil in details d_r Aug 2012 #2
Have you ever met a gymnast? Arkana Aug 2012 #3
the Olympics as watched on NBC are Amero-centric NightWatcher Aug 2012 #4
I have been watching BBC live....they also pretty much show events where GB is particpating HipChick Aug 2012 #5
Sports are an easy target.... Javaman Aug 2012 #7
So true and disagree with OP premise>That the motivation is fame and money. lunasun Aug 2012 #9
+1 nt Javaman Aug 2012 #10
Is fame in any form a shameful pursuit? tnvoter Aug 2012 #8

WilmywoodNCparalegal

(2,654 posts)
1. Because of the false perception
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:35 AM
Aug 2012

that foreign countries 'force' parents to abandon their children to intense training regimens, whereas the U.S. parents 'make the choice.'

In either case, I do think that athletic training especially for sports like gymnastics and swimming is no better than taking your child to a child pageant. I'm not sure a 4-year old can make a conscious choice of whether to like a sport or not, anymore than a 4-year old 'chooses' to compete in a pageant a la "Toddlers & Tiaras."

I would never ever move my child to the other side of the country so that she could undergo grueling training starting at age 4 for the very small chance of even making it to the Olympics. What happens to this grown person if/when the Olympic dream fizzles? This person will more than likely have no education or any skill - besides the athletic aspects - not to mention the ability to interact with non-athletes.

In many countries, sports are seen as secondary to education or spending time with your children. It may be why the U.S. and China, both of which have very strong athletic training programs starting at early ages, usually perform better. For instance, in Italy a lot of the athletes competing at the Olympics train on their own time, but have jobs and an education, and quite a few belong to the armed forces. They don't win as much as the U.S. or Chinese teams, but they do ok, especially in canoeing and fencing, among others. But they don't take up these sports until they are older than the toddler years.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
2. devil in details
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:36 AM
Aug 2012

if it was thrust on the kid it is one thing, if it is the kid's greatest dream it is another. it is hard to know where that drive comes from of course, but it is the difference between suportinjgv and forcing. for Gabby her smile suggests it vwas supportung.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
3. Have you ever met a gymnast?
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:37 AM
Aug 2012

I have--I grew up with a few of them. They devote their entire lives to that shit at the cost of pretty much all social development or personal life.

One of my best childhood friends only became normal when she tore her ACL and couldn't do it anymore.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
4. the Olympics as watched on NBC are Amero-centric
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:41 AM
Aug 2012

The only times that other countries are being shown is when they are playing against an American. This is not evil as NBC is tailoring their broadcast to an American crowd who wants to watch American kids win sports that Americans like to play.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
5. I have been watching BBC live....they also pretty much show events where GB is particpating
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:45 AM
Aug 2012

so pretty much SOP

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
7. Sports are an easy target....
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:22 AM
Aug 2012

Having competed in sports for about 90 percent of my life, the perception of those who don't participate in those sports, think that those kids, who start at an early age, is that the kids were "forced" into those sports.

Especially in this day in age, when various sport team involvement are part and parcel of daily life for kids and their parents.

There will always be stage parents who believe their little darlings have "potential", but in the realm of competition, that concept usually falls by the waste side quickly when those with real potential excel.

As for the kids who participate, some stop because it's not fun, some stop because of the stress, some stop because they physically aren't able to keep up and some stop because they just don't like it.

However, there are kids, contrary to popular belief, that have a lot of ambition and when you combine that with natural talent, you have an amazing athlete.

It's wrong to believe that children don't exhibit forms of ambition at an early age. Whether they are playing in sand lot baseball, a pick up game at the court or any other sport that comes to mind, there will always be that one kid that is different from the rest. One that sees how the game works better than everyone else. One that knows how to win 5 moves faster than the other kids and ones that are just naturally good.

Those are the ones with natural talent.

I have had the pleasure to know people like this from when I was a kid.

Two kids I played baseball with when I was a little (Under 8 years old) went on to play in the majors. And as a kid back then, I knew they were good, I knew they were just plane better than everyone else. They had normal parents. In fact, one of those parents confided in me many years later that, their son, without any encouragement by them, just loved playing the game and once told them, he was going to play in the majors.

Some kids are just like that.

I have had the pleasure of running against future Olympians when I was in high school. These guys were just different. They had such incredible natural ability that it was scary. They would beat anyone and everyone on the track. 3 of them made it to the 1984 Olympic team.

When you see you have a child with talent and they appear to enjoy their success with that talent, are we supposed to discourage them?

That said, we also hear of kids who, at an early age, display incredible mathematic skills, but because mathematics isn't "exploitive" we don't hear anything more about them. But yet, the parents of those kids also sacrifice to get the best education for there child. What about the kids who go to medical or law school when they are 12 years old? They are brilliant and we find that fantastic, but yet, when a young kid is "brilliant" in sports, that exploitive.

How is that kids ambition and his parents encouragement any different that someone who is good at sports? It isn't.

Not all kids are excellent at school, not all kids are excellent at sports, but I would be damned if I didn't do everything within my power to help my child get the best education or training if my child showed exceptional talent in either areas.

It's easy to place blame either on society or on the parents, but unless you have a child of exceptional ability, you have zero concept of what it's like.



tnvoter

(257 posts)
8. Is fame in any form a shameful pursuit?
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 01:54 PM
Aug 2012

I agree with you that no one complains when parents go out of their way to give support to academically gifted kids and send them off to college when they are 12. I get that sports gets the shaft in discussions like this.

But so does infant/toddler pageantry. If your kid is truly georgeous, why not leverage that gift to propel your child to success?

What is the difference between the vanity pursuit of fame and money and "noble" pursuit of a physical or cerebral gift? I see no difference.

In this way, Gabby's mom is no more worthy of praise than Kris Kardashian, Joe Simpson and the parents of the Olsen twins.

All are pimping their children's "gift."

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