Rachel Maddow will have a breaking story today on her show (rmoney's taxes)

[warrior1]

At this link at the 2:40 she talks about have finding some tapes in the archives that may take this fight in a hold another direction as of tomorrow that they don't think anyone else has. It's going to be the lead in the show today.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#48476676

[Firebrand Gary]

1. Depending on the level of this story, I wonder if we might see a VP announcement? nt

[DCKit]

2. Shemp, or Curly?

My money's on Shemp.

[warrior1]

3. Nah

probably not till after the Olympics.

[Major Hogwash]

4. Someone needs to put the transcript of tonight's program here at the forum.

She said that she thinks that the video of Romney that she is going to show tonight hasn't been seen in 10 years.

[HipChick]

10. Can someone post video or transcript?

I cannot access stateside porgramming..

[warrior1]

13. Hi HipChick

On the OP I wrote down all she's said so far. So you haven't missed anything yet.

[Kablooie]

68. You could probably get it if you use a free US proxy.

[cleduc]

5. I wonder if it's his testimony at a hearing looking into his

Utah residency.

Apparently, according to the article I saw on it, Romney got emotional while delivering some of what turned out to be a lie to the media on his tax returns.

Could be pretty damning stuff if the guy resorted to emotions to try to convince those listening to his testimony when he knew darn well he was lying.

That's some speculation on my part. Can't wait to see Rachel's report.

[warrior1]

6. that could be part of it

[DallasNE]

11. Romney Is A Lot Like Nixon

So he may have a "Checkers" speech in his future.

[RagAss]

12. ....or a "I am not a crook" moment.

[cleduc]

18. I bet the Romney campaign is already hiring sweat gland

specialists for the debates.

Reportedly, Romney has a perspiration problem.

http://nymag.com/news/politics/mitt-romney-2011-10/index2.html

"He (Romney) was prone to profuse sweating, and the imagery of the era is heavy on the CEO’s drenched, stained shirts."

Barack will make him sweat!

Kennedy-Nixon debates:
http://www.kennesaw.edu/pols/3380/pres/1960.html

During cutaways, the cameras caught Nixon wiping perspiration from his forehead while Kennedy was taking him to task on the issues.

- hurt Nixon in the polls afterwards because the media picked up on it

What will they do about Romney's nervous chuckle when he lies? He lies a lot but clearly, from the number of times he's been caught, he's not very good at it.

[cleduc]

19. Mitt started to melt down during this short interview

with Halperin

Halperin mentioned Romney's perspiration the next day after the interview on Morning Joe

[TeamPooka]

20. Reminds me of Albert Brooks in BROADCAST NEWS

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7mp5u_broadcast-news-sweating-the-news_fun

[rateyes]

36. he is probably hot from wearing the magic long johns under that suit.

[Javaman]

7. So she has info and is going to broadcast it on a Friday night?

might as well bury the information and page 10 of "arts and leisure".

I'd hold it until monday, if it were me.

[warrior1]

8. I think she's opening with this story.

[silvershadow]

9. Perhaps, but still, she's opening with it on Friday evening...

[Maeve]

14. And Friday night ends with "going to prison" eom

[ailsagirl]

58. "LOCKDOWN"

I always forget that on Fridays:

No Lawrence

and

LOCKDOWN

&£§#&£§#!!

[bayareaboy]

17. I think Rachael don't really care ...

What day it is. She just wants to get the word out. Besides that on Friday after her show is usually 2 days off and on of prison tapes.

Come on MS NBC become a real news program station and act like one.

[Merlot]

42. Rachel tends to do follow ups on her own stories

If there is anything to this story, she'll keep it front and center.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. well, NBC can take it into the weekend - if they are not showing the Olympics.

[slackmaster]

16. I'm not holding my breath

[TeamPooka]

21. It has been years since she plugged a story in this way so ....

I think it's something they really believe is big.

[brooklynite]

22. She's referring to this from 2002

Buzzfeed:

Romney Campaign Attacked Opponent For Refusing To Release Tax Returns In 2002

Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney has seen pressure mount from both Democrats and Republican pundits to release his tax returns. Romney has maintained that he is “simply not enthusiastic” about giving Democrats “hundreds or thousands of more pages to pick through, distort, and lie about.”

But in 2002, during his run for Governor Romney attacked his opponent Shannon O’Brien for not releasing her husband’s tax returns.

Romney said he declined to release his tax returns on a “principled position” saying it one debate “I value my privacy.” The Romney campaign accused O’Brien, who released her tax returns every year since 1998, of being disingenuous by releasing her but not her husband's returns, a former lobbyist who had worked with Enron.

Romney spokesman and current top Romney aide Eric Fehnrstrom claimed O’Brien was attempting to hide possibly embarrassing finances from voters.

But then, why would Romney flip-flopping on a position be news now?

[randome]

24. There's nothing in your link that hints this is what Maddow is talking about.

[brooklynite]

28. Her video clip refers to video archives from 10 years ago...

If this was real "breaking news" they wouldn't be waiting until 9 PM on a Friday to run with it.

[randome]

29. In that case, I hope you're wrong.

[TeamPooka]

30. you clearly don't undserstand the bloddy turf wars of shows within a channel/division

she said last night this wasn't an NBC News story but her staff working on a story.
They do that for her show not Morning Joe or Hardball.
When the anchor breaks the story then the other shows can react and play the tape etc over and over.

[brooklynite]

62. And yet, I predicted what the story was...

In today's internet world, you never sit on a "breaking news" story for 24 hours.

[Ineeda]

33. This has been common knowledge for years.

He demanded that she release her husband's tax returns and at the same time refused to release his own. He also tried to browbeat Ted Kennedy into releasing his tax info and again, refused to reveal his. So I doubt this is Rachel's news. Maybe it has something to do with his residency. I know that he claimed to live in his son's (unfinished) basement so he would qualify as a resident of Massachusetts to run for office. Can you imagine? Richie-Rich Mitt 'roughing it' in an unfinished basement? Not if hell froze over. There was confusion because he was supposedly living in Utah at the time. I don't think you can legally be a resident of two states at the same time. One has to be considered primary and any others secondary.

[just1voice]

23. We don't put torturers or worldwide criminal bankers in jail, so...

people can find 1000s of pages of evidence against a prez candidate in the U.S. and it won't matter, they are above the law.

Read that again and learn from it, THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW.

[crimson77]

25. If this story were actually newsworthy, MSNBC would be all over it, all day.

More then likely it's some piece of footage where Romney say's something dumb. If it were actual hard news and she held it til Friday night at 9, when the majority of people watching are just waiting for Lockup, she would be very bad at her job.

[dkf]

27. If there anything really bad they may as well hold it til closer to the election.

[TeamPooka]

31. Rachel does the Rachel shoiw not Morning Joe....

the fact that she teased the story to her audience as a Friday night builder shows the staff thinks it's a good story.
If it's a really good story they may have wanted to do it last night but Legal maybe needed an extra day to clear it.
So no, they would not worry about dropping it on a Friday.
Getting stronger numbers on a usually soft Friday night is a good thing, a very good thing.
Because if it's a big enough story the follow up you do on Monday gets the bump in numbers on a night when you really want it from the folks who tune in for the recap/update.
It's nightly news people.
The TV camera needs to be fed every evening....

[crimson77]

32. My bet....

Is that it is some tape from the Kennedy/Romney election from '94, where Mitt say's something dumb about taxes.

[TeamPooka]

39. my wet dream is a video prospectus from Bain telling you how to invest

and pay no taxes on your money....
Hi, I'm Mitt Romney, you may know me from such tax evasion scams as....

[notadmblnd]

26. I wonder if it is the one Rev Al showed of Rmoney demanding Teddy Kennedy release his returns

back when Rmoney was running for the Senate?

Al Playing a tape of Rmoney now from 2004 saying you can't blame the President for slow jobs growth.

[Tx4obama]

35. Video: 2004 Mitt Romney Says It’s ‘Poppycock’ To Blame President For Job Market

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101745922

The one above is a good one, but I hope Maddow has one regarding taxes.

[magnifisense]

34. Why didn't she show the tapes last night?

I was watching and asking myself, "Why are you waiting until tomorrow, a Friday evening, the usual "news dump" day?"

Still, I'm looking forward to seeing what she has on Romney.

[malaise]

37. Can't wait

[DearAbby]

38. Waiting to see it...

[liberalla]

40. Head's up! Starting in about 10 minutes...

[crimson77]

41. Told you it was something stupid

Does anyone think this will stick?

All this stuff is old news, I am from Boston and could have told you all this stuff an hour ago.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

43. Away from the TV. What was it?

[crimson77]

44. Old videotape from 2002

He called out an old opponent about holding back her husbands taxes.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

46. Meh....

It's good. Something else for him to choke on, but hardly a game-changer.

[SunSeeker]

60. I agree. Can't believe I'm saying this,

but I'm disappointed in Rachel. I waited the whole hour for her to spring some juicy tape and got nothing but more proof that Romney is a hypocrite, or, as Rachel put it, that Reid is doing the same thing Romney did in his governor race. The tape was Romney calling out his opponent to release her husband's returns "if she has nothing to hide."

By the time Rachel started making the "Obituary" cocktail, I realized I had been had. Hope next time she hypes something, it's worth the hype.

[morningfog]

57. That's actually really bad for Romney.

The tape needs to be replayed ad naseum in ads until he caves to the hypocrisy.

[railsback]

59. If he hasn't caved in by now with all his hypocrisies

Don't hold your breath. I've lost count of all the multitudes of lies spewing from his mouth.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

64. It assumes that he has a sense of shame...which apparently he doesn't (nt)

[BumRushDaShow]

47. Actually the issue

was that he claimed back in 2002 that he had "paid" his taxes and had "filed as both Utah AND Massachusetts residents." He and Fehrnstrom apparently repeated this over and over until it was discovered that he did NOT file any Massachusetts taxes. So then he had to go back and file the Massachusetts taxes - retroactively. Of course this brings up the issue of him not really being a resident of MA when he was running for governor and thus technically making his run illegal.

[crimson77]

49. This is all old Boston stuff.

People all over Mass know these allegations.

[crimson77]

50. ASPCA

The ASPCA really need to stop these ad's during Maddow, it's torture.

[We are Devo]

63. I know..

I have to leave the room!

[BumRushDaShow]

51. The point is to show the pattern

in order to discredit him as a liar and a weasel.

Old political tactic. YOU frame them first and by October, for those not paying much attention to politics, you say "Romney" to them and they will say "Isn't that the guy who was dodging taxes?".

And besides (as a UMASS grad), MA does not equal the rest of the United States and few outside of that area are probably aware, which is why there is "national news" to let them know.

[crimson77]

52. I was just hoping for something juicy

[BumRushDaShow]

53. The campaign season is still young.

And there are other Mormons afoot.

[demwing]

55. Why are you here?

you said the Warren/Obama meme "You didn't build this alone" made us sound like communists, and now your pissing on this story about Romney's taxes.

What progressive messages DO you like? This is a really fucking liberal forum. I don't care what you believe, but if you don't feel drawn to what goes on here, why are you here?

[crimson77]

56. I like political discourse.

I am coming from the perpective of a Massachusetts voter watching the national party do the same fucking bonehead things it did in 2002, the same fucking thing. Attack Romney on his taxes, he waits it out and in the end he wins, because we will have not talked about the issues.

And just because someone doesn't agree with you 100% time, doesn't mean your not a good democrat.You just happen to pick 2 issues I don't agree 100% with the standard Democratic Party line. Incessant whining about taxes is the losers mentality. I want Carville and Begala, absolute beasts when it came to issue politics. Obama just spent over 100 million dollars to move up at most 1.5 points. Do you think Ted Kennedy,Bill Clinton or Johnson would pull this shit?

[tsuki]

61. 2002 everyone was pretty happy. Now, not so much.

Yes, the tax issue is even sinking into the Republican brain.

[WI_DEM]

65. I guess you missed the Pew Poll where Obama is leading by ten points

so maybe it's not so 'bone head' after all?

[crimson77]

67. Nate Silver adjusted it to 4%

I tend to believe it's about a 4 point race.

[demwing]

66. Fuck that, you have no real knowledge

100 million to move up 1.5 points?

How about 100 million to keep from dropping 5 points? Who is to say which story is the truth and which story bullshit? Not you. Maybe neither version is true, and some third alternative is the answer? You wouldn't know, because you don't have any REAL facts, just your jaded perspective which you fly here like some flag signifying knowledge which you possess and which Obama does not.

You're nothing but a common critic, a Monday morning quarterback who thinks he would have foreseen every error, and claims to always have a better play book.

The truth is you've got nothing but your flag, so wave it well, your time in the spotlight is brief.

[Son of Gob]

70. Have you seen this thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240130086

[ThomThom]

45. maybe we should slow down ...he has not been nominated yet

we would not want the pukes to change their minds about Mitt. He is looking very beatable.

[mucifer]

48. Getting the feeling he is going to get away with this.

[dogknob]

69. The Take-Away: He lied, was caught lying, and still became governor.

[darkangel218]

54. How can he show something

Which he doesn't have? He's not Houdini after all

[nilram]

71. Rachel started off talking about the horse and his distancing himself from it.

His saying, even when he was Governor of Massachusetts, that "Oh, it's Ann's thing." Pointing out that it was a business and he took a 77K tax write-off, etc.

I'm kind of thinking, though, that when you have 250 Million dollars at your disposal, if not more, that your wife dumping a few hundred thousand into a horse hobby is small potatoes and that could be a genuine answer. Even a congenital liar could tell the truth *sometimes*.

Anyway, I look forward to whatever Rachel has come up with and I hope she looks twice before she gets into an elevator...