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(135,897 posts)Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)funded.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)The government did found the post office. Founding a road may sound funny but it to is a legitimate expression.
caraher
(6,279 posts)They also have "mater" rather than "matter." They're not making a subtle distinction, they're just careless.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)quakerboy
(13,921 posts)as our government underfunded education?
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Hahayeahright
(5 posts)Was able to build that infrastructure. Without tax dollars from citizens nothing gets build. So without business owners providing jobs no taxes get paid to the government which means nothing gets built!
Government is the people so the people built this country for ourselves to have our own businesses.
How come more people don't have small businesses if the government helped everyone out? Are some people not smart enough to use what the government gave us?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Enjoy your stay.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)nor did I want to be the 50+% of small businesses which fail and dump their debt on the rest of us.
Freddie
(9,275 posts)People can't go into business for themselves because they are indentured to their "real" jobs for health insurance. If we had actual universal health care, small business creation would boom.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)lady lib
(2,933 posts)that have kept him alive and well - gov't regulated.
eaglesfanintn
(82 posts)Everyone should be their own business? Yeah, I'm buying a car that you built yourself...or a computer...or, well really anything.
Thanks for playing.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and BAIN, paying at least 33% taxes, not the current 0% (GE) or 13.2% for Romney.
I am sure you are a good citizen and pay double of what Romney pays...
In fact, the glory days of the US, in the 1950's, rates were as high as 90%, with effective corporate taxes at 70% or so. We had the highest taxes and highest amount of jobs... methinks we need to go back to the 1950s and have HIGH corporate taxes, doncha think? At the very least, small business, such as General Electric (Those are the ones the GOP is referring to regularly), should pay SOME TAXES, doncha think?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)It is a public/private partnership and those that undermine the public side are cutting off their nose to spite their face.
During the three years of the Obama administration the Dow Jones has doubled. In other words under this President there has been as much capital expansion as under the last 16 Presidents and 120 years.
You may now return to the basement of your parents house.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Your convoluted logic borders on satire which, I believe, was unintended...
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Mr Gaster has customers because they have money and a need.
The customers need for lumber is largely determined by building codes, and their money comes largely from government.
Business owners don't create business (the need), they simply capitalize on it.
I have a business, and my only problem is lack of customers. I can't create them.
Mother Of Four
(1,716 posts)I even checked to make sure you still were able to post.
I live in a red area, and I've learned that a good half of the people who call themselves republicans or use the talking points you do are simply misinformed. On health care alone I think I've forwarded the full info at least a dozen times.
You are exactly right on one thing, taxes are hugely important. Without them we don't have the funding for our infrastructure and it starts going into serious decline. Without that infrastructure, our country will grind to a painful and screeching stop.
It doesn't have anything to do with being smart enough, information is power and it's in corporations best interest to make sure the majority of people don't have the correct information they need to succeed. Less competition means more for the "I got mine" crowd.
I think the best way I've gotten people to understand how this works is by describing it as a never ending circle, where money travels from spot to spot. When we get in trouble, it's usually because somewhere along the line the money was stopped from moving forward to the next step.
Lets talk about fictitious Mary.
Mary is 16, she works at a local mom and pop burger joint. Mary doesn't really care about the mechanics of how she gets her money, she's just glad she has a job.
Mary pays to take the public bus to work, driven on public roads. She learned how to read and write from a public school, funded by the county.
Mary goes to a private business to buy her clothes, get her nails done. Her mom goes to a private business to get her groceries, work done on the car and they go to a clinic to get health care. A privately owned one.
These businesses take the money that Mary and her mom have spent, and use it to pay salaries and buy items to restock.
If these are imported items, our infrastructure keeps rules in place to make these items safe. It also allows transportation of these items from stop to stop, with more rules about how to drive on these roads.
There are literally hundreds more people and businesses involved in this money circle, in the interest of simplicity I'll not talk about them.
In turn everyone in this circle so far pays taxes, each penny they pay in taxes goes to a fund that keeps our roads and schools going. It pays for our police, fire and in many areas EMS. It pays the salaries of the people responsible for oversight, and our clean water.
Unknown to Mary, Joe is on his way to the warehouse of her favorite clothing store. He's hungry and he decides to stop at the burger joint, completing one of at least 20 money circles. Mary->store->suppliers->distribution->transportation->delivery->sales floor->Mary purchases the next pair of jeans she likes.
Joe is the delivery step, he takes the money paid to him by his boss and goes to eat lunch starting another money circle. By purchasing lunch, he is helping pay Mary's hourly wage which in turn helps pay his.
Looking at this, it's easy to see just how many money circles we touch every single day. Everything from paying our bills to purchasing gas.
Now, what if someone along the line decided "Hrm...I want more money but instead of working for it I'm going to take it from other places and keep it for myself."
The entire money circle would start to collapse, because it DEPENDS on that money moving from spot to spot.
Lets throw a monkey wrench in there, not only do we now have a guy at the top of the circle keeping more money for himself, which means less money for the rest of the cirlce...which in turn means less money moving from hand to hand. Which in turn also means less for businesses and roads, and less taxes to keep our roads and education up to speed. Now we learn we have a parasitic insurance system in place.
In many places, health insurance for a family of four is over 600 dollars a month. This money is being paid to an insurance system that thrives on denying people medical care. Medical care that is imperative to allowing them to work, and being a part of these money circles. Because these families can't afford to purchase insurance for themselves, they are literally held hostage in a job they may hate just to be sure they can feed their family and have a home to sleep in.
That 600 dollars a month could be spent on:
100 meals from Mary's mom and pop burger place.
24 pairs of jeans from Mary's favorite clothing store.
Much needed vehicle maintenance for Mary's moms car.
These are just a few examples.
The fact of the matter is, we live in a synergistic society. We rely on each other in more ways than the average person realizes. It's not about if the business owner is more important than the government, or if the government is some benevolent overlord. Neither is true, each is equally as important as the other and both rely on the middle class to keep them going.
We need to free the money up that's been roadblocked. For much less than the 600 dollars a month per family, we could have a health care system instead of an insurance system. By calling the people to task at the top of the circles we can free up the money to flow through the circle, much like when your leg falls asleep and you get the circulation going again. Yeah, its uncomfortable at first but if you don't get blood to that leg and willfully ignore it you're asking for trouble.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)It makes a lot of good points and with a few illustrations it would be very persuasive to people who haven't given much thought to just how big a role government plays in our lives and our economy.
It's kind of long winded for a post, but as an illustrated book; I think it would be about the right length.
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)We have a sovereign currency. Our government can invest as needed in infrastructure, education, etc. Taxes function primarily to regulate aggregate demand.
It's true that local and state governments can't function without tax revenue, but not true for the federal government. That's why rich people are able to get away with avoiding and evading so many taxes while our government is spending trillions on wars.
treestar
(82,383 posts)This guy is claiming he did it all himself, not with any help from the people. He doesn't need the rest of us. That's what he's saying.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)And I just read it a fourth time. Hmmmm....
sinkingfeeling
(51,479 posts)trespass!
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)pallets of various hardware were imported, so ports were involved with his inventory.
rurallib
(62,461 posts)And the EPA probably has some water and air standards that he whines about even though his customers can breathe.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)world's gone nuts. people forgetting to give a shit about each other.
CabCurious
(954 posts)They don't want to accept social interconnectivity unless it's about flag waving.
JHB
(37,163 posts)1) Do you speak English?
(Show full clip of president's talk, then Romney's ad, then the full clip again)
2) Can you tell me with a straight face that Romney honestly characterized what the president said?
3) By putting that sign up, are you advertising that you are a liar, or that you are stupid?
Because either you're taking part in a lie, or you don't understand your native language.
essaynnc
(801 posts)Somebody with some time,,,, track this guy down and send him the link to this!!! Respond, don't just let it slide....... Point out how ...incorrect... he is.
movingviolation
(310 posts)The google map reviews are a fun read.
mlevans
(843 posts)Here's the link:
Gaster Lumber and Hardware
No email listed, but there is an address and phone number. The Visit Website link goes to a single page non-active site.
turtlerescue1
(1,013 posts)If "money" is speech, then here's someone I've NOTHING to say to.
How did we get so blind -HOW we got to this place? How much arrogance will we watch before a strange thing like Truth sets is? His little corner of the world isn't an island, but its his delusions that would let him "sign" his viewpoints.
Fool!
Gary 50
(382 posts)Unable to understand plain English, uses Fox news/Romney distortion ad to interpret what the president said, then proudly advertises his ignorance. Will swallow any lie from the right wing lunatics as long as it supports his hatred of government and that black guy in the white house. Should move to Somalia where government isn't so intrusive, taxes are nonexistant and free markets reign supreme.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Several years ago, when Bush was running for reelection, a local Teabilly fuckstick owner of a car repair service center, put a big honking Bush sign in front of his business. I purposely stopped one day to ask why a business owner would alienate 55% (I live in VA where a small majority voted for Bush) of potential customers. He replied, "what do you mean?" I said, "anyone who supports Bush, can't possibly be intelligent enough to repair my car." He never did take the sign down and I noticed 2 years later, he went out of business.
Stupid Teabilly fuckstick.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)"Teabilly Fuckstick" comes to mind...
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Speaking of the building inspector, he's the one who specifies that the other customers need to spend twice as much at your store.
The other two cars in the lot; they're owned by people building houses financed by government backed mortgages.
nanabugg
(2,198 posts)And thast shutdown didn't last long. Just think what it would be like if the government were shutdown for one year.
Smilo
(1,944 posts)his tin foil hat.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)If so, I hope anybody that has a land line will fax the picture to the knucklehead.
maxrandb
(15,364 posts)As Bugs would say; "what a marooon"
moondust
(20,014 posts)Perhaps funded by federal block grants, etc.
Water standards and regular inspections.
How about an airport in the area used for business travel? Lots of government involvement there.
This kind of stuff should not need explaining to an adult.
Blue Owl
(50,525 posts)n/t
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Might give him something to think about before he makes an ass of himself in public again.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)I was able to immediately "reply to all" this version of the picture as a response. Haven't heard back yet.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Fair access to electricity - yeah come to think of it. if that was privatized, his pre-existing competitors could refuse to sell it to him - privatized roads - just don't let competitors on it. Come to think of it, how much less free would anyone be in an unregulated capitalism? The Rmoneys of the world would control all de facto via money.
jillan
(39,451 posts)15010 Abercorn St, Savannah, GA 31419
Printing in black and white - not wasting colored ink on this jerk
ETA - on the bottom I wrote "You damn Socialist!" lolz...
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)allan01
(1,950 posts)meh. am a 4 semester accounting student. takes 8 times for a single purchase or more of the money to cycle out of the community. to the fellow in the photo of the orignal post . turn off your cell phone . dont call the fire dept or police . dont go to the building inspectors office . dont send your kids to public school. dont flush your toilet , and turn off the water that flushes the toilet. also dont kindly drive your car on public roads or go to your state dmv or what ever it is called in ur state. dont use the post office . im allan o1 and i approve this message . ps : the then democratic gov of ca at the time , ronald regan , remember him ? (gasp) once said that taxes are a privledge , not a right. the media then learned that r.r didnt pay taxes for so many years .
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)A real rugged individualist.
Sometimes I think those sillies imagine it's 1765 and they're out there on their own. I'm sure we all have at least one moneyed person in our lives who don't appreciate what their own wives and mothers have done for them, let alone the people in government.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Without it, no business building for the racist ignoramus(ses).
patrice
(47,992 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)against Obama...