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pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:06 PM May 2018

Google News (news.google.com) appears to be part of the propaganda campaign now.

They've changed their format. When I just searched for Robert Mueller on Google News right now, the first 7 articles pushed Giuliani's or Gingrich's or a Fox news point of view.

For example, one of the articles they showed me was by Newt Gingrich and it was about the 5 Scandals of the Mueller probe, and how complicated it was. Why? Because Hillary was at the bottom of them all.

You and I can search and search till we find more trustworthy sources, but this is what the American public is now being exposed to.

(The article below says the AI is trainable, but I've been trying and it isn't learning!)


https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/google-news-changes/

1. Local and World News Powered by AI

The big headline is the arrival of AI-powered news.

The goal of the AI is two-fold. Firstly, it wants to show you more of the news stories you care about. Secondly, it aims to improve quality by only showing you articles from trustworthy sources.

This is a big step forward. Remember, there’s no editorial team at Google News; the app is not a hand-picked, curated list of content. Instead, Google has always relied on algorithms to deliver the most pertinent content to readers.

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Google News (news.google.com) appears to be part of the propaganda campaign now. (Original Post) pnwmom May 2018 OP
They were like that during the election too- they exploit the algorithms which take into account bettyellen May 2018 #1
It might not be Google's doing cyclonefence May 2018 #2
It IS their doing. It's a whole new format that they chose to use. pnwmom May 2018 #3
Whoa cyclonefence May 2018 #4
If they are doing that on purpose they are contributing to a conflict, a physical conflict Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #5
I just typed Mueller investigation in Google news. hedda_foil May 2018 #6
No, I'm not doing oppo research. That's not the problem. I'm just looking for articles pnwmom May 2018 #7
I get a mix, but Giuliani is disproportionately frequently represented GeoWilliam750 May 2018 #9
A spawn if a CIA initiative. It's been fucking with people since day one. TheBlackAdder May 2018 #8
the first page of a google seach delivers paid content or links for ad dollars. TeamPooka May 2018 #10
This is NEW. I'm talking about news.google.com, by the way -- not google.com. pnwmom May 2018 #12
I never click on those "paid content" articles FakeNoose May 2018 #17
I just did a search for "Mueller Investigation" on Google. Captain Stern May 2018 #11
I'm not talking about google. I'm talking about Google News, which is news.google.com pnwmom May 2018 #13
Ok. I searched 'Mueller Investigation' there. Captain Stern May 2018 #19
Yes that's about what I see now. But only four are actually from today. pnwmom May 2018 #20
It's Memorial Day - Ms. Toad May 2018 #21
This has been going on for days. n/t pnwmom May 2018 #22
I don't know how many days you are talking about, Ms. Toad May 2018 #23
But there are also no links that I can see to related articles, which was a feature before. pnwmom May 2018 #24
Don't know about that. I haven't used it before. Ms. Toad May 2018 #25
The original Google News wasn't nearly as curated as it is now. It merely sorted out news stories pnwmom May 2018 #26
Don't know. Ms. Toad May 2018 #27
The new Google Finance sucks, too. Hugin May 2018 #14
Whoa! - take it easy people - I'm sure there's more features that will be rolled out. hexola May 2018 #15
I'm not an android user. I'm using Google News on my laptop. pnwmom May 2018 #16
I guess Im alone in finding it vastly improved hexola May 2018 #18
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
1. They were like that during the election too- they exploit the algorithms which take into account
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:11 PM
May 2018

how many clicks, retweets or how new the story is. After a certain amount of time when it’s older and should be less prominent, they change the URL slightly and have the bots retweet it again w the new URL- it’s like keeping a beach ball afloat. That’s a bit thing that a lot of people failed to realize- it’s influence on google ratings. Someone reported you’d often have to go to page 3 on google to find a WaPo or NYT version of a story. Some of the sites pushed looked very real, like legit big city newspapers- but were specifically created for these stories they were pushing.

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
2. It might not be Google's doing
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:11 PM
May 2018

You can pay agencies who will manipulate where your website comes up in searches--my husband's business was approached by several of these companies. They use robohits to gin up popularity of sites, which then moves those sites to the top of the search results.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
3. It IS their doing. It's a whole new format that they chose to use.
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:12 PM
May 2018

It's supposed to use a new IA app, that we can "train." Well, I have been trying to train mine all day and it keeps pointing me to garbage.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/google-news-changes/

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
4. Whoa
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:21 PM
May 2018

Just looking at how to "train" the app gave me a headache. What the hell are they doing? And why?

Rhetorical questions--we know why. But jesus.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
5. If they are doing that on purpose they are contributing to a conflict, a physical conflict
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:21 PM
May 2018

between deplorable dumbshits and patriots.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
6. I just typed Mueller investigation in Google news.
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:22 PM
May 2018

Got all worthwhile articles. Are you doing oppo research on Google. I believe Google serves the kind of pieces you read, so Republicans or Dems doing oppo research would get very different results.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
7. No, I'm not doing oppo research. That's not the problem. I'm just looking for articles
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:32 PM
May 2018

that aren't pushing Trump/Giuliani/Fox views.

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
9. I get a mix, but Giuliani is disproportionately frequently represented
Mon May 28, 2018, 04:36 AM
May 2018

Bing puts up completely different results

TeamPooka

(24,256 posts)
10. the first page of a google seach delivers paid content or links for ad dollars.
Mon May 28, 2018, 05:13 AM
May 2018

so the ad buys are out there

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
12. This is NEW. I'm talking about news.google.com, by the way -- not google.com.
Mon May 28, 2018, 09:26 AM
May 2018

And I know what ads look like.

That's not what I'm talking about.

FakeNoose

(32,770 posts)
17. I never click on those "paid content" articles
Mon May 28, 2018, 10:19 AM
May 2018

... even if it's something I want to read. I don't want to contribute my clicks to Google's or Yahoo's fake news craziness.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
11. I just did a search for "Mueller Investigation" on Google.
Mon May 28, 2018, 07:42 AM
May 2018

The sources for the top links that came up under 'News' were:

CNN
NPR
NPR (again)
Huffington Post
NY Times
realclearpolitics
washingtonpost
nymag
CNN(again)
washingtonpost(again)

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
19. Ok. I searched 'Mueller Investigation' there.
Mon May 28, 2018, 10:35 AM
May 2018

First sources linked to:

NPR
Fortune
AZCentral
Huffpost
NY Times
NPR (again)
Washingtonpost
CNN
CNBC
Paste Magazine
RealClearPolitics

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
20. Yes that's about what I see now. But only four are actually from today.
Mon May 28, 2018, 02:42 PM
May 2018

It used to be quite a few more. And you used to be able to click on a topic and see more related articles than the single example they gave you. Now I can't find a way to do that.

If you haven't used Google News regularly in the past you won't be able to understand what it's missing now. The best version for people on laptops was the original version, and they changed it a year or so ago and added lots of blank space and fewer articles. Now they've made it worse again.

Ms. Toad

(34,093 posts)
21. It's Memorial Day -
Mon May 28, 2018, 04:24 PM
May 2018

how many new articles were published today? I wouldn't necessarily expect more than 4

Ms. Toad

(34,093 posts)
23. I don't know how many days you are talking about,
Mon May 28, 2018, 04:37 PM
May 2018

but when you commented on a specific number of articles, you were referring to the number of articles today (Memorial Day). The two preceding days were weekend days, and a similar basis for a sparse population of articles would apply.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
24. But there are also no links that I can see to related articles, which was a feature before.
Mon May 28, 2018, 04:45 PM
May 2018

They would have shown up in the past even if they weren't from that particular day.

Ms. Toad

(34,093 posts)
25. Don't know about that. I haven't used it before.
Mon May 28, 2018, 04:50 PM
May 2018

I tend to stay away from places that add another layer of curation for me - I'd rather sort through the general pile of news (and related things) that an ordinary search would bring up, than have an algorithm sort for me.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
26. The original Google News wasn't nearly as curated as it is now. It merely sorted out news stories
Mon May 28, 2018, 05:09 PM
May 2018

as opposed to maps, recipes, websites, and the zillion other things you can find online. And it ordered stories by date, unlike regular Google.

It was up to the reader to decide which news sources and stories they wanted to read.

A year or two ago they changed and it went downhill. Now it seems much worse.

Ms. Toad

(34,093 posts)
27. Don't know.
Mon May 28, 2018, 05:31 PM
May 2018

I haven't used them except indirectly (after a search, I click on news if the search pulls too much clutter).

Hugin

(33,207 posts)
14. The new Google Finance sucks, too.
Mon May 28, 2018, 09:40 AM
May 2018

It tells one NOTHING.

It's like the AOL landing page.

The old Finance had a bar chart at the bottom tracking the various sectors on a near real time basis. Now, it's difficult to even find out how individual stocks are doing.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
15. Whoa! - take it easy people - I'm sure there's more features that will be rolled out.
Mon May 28, 2018, 09:48 AM
May 2018

Their news format was way behind the times - and wasn't really part of the whole android thing in an easy way.

If you are an Android user - I found the app already installed - although Im sure its pretty new.

They have the "Local" part back - which I think was missing for a day or two.

Give it time!

Im pyched to have the app - using G news was always a pain on the phone.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
18. I guess Im alone in finding it vastly improved
Mon May 28, 2018, 10:27 AM
May 2018

I haven't really done any heavy searching or attempts to customize -

Easy to read - loads nicely.

Give it time - they will surely be making adjustments post-deployment...seems like I've already noticed a few changes.

I have to think the majority of this upgrade revolves around getting real with Android - and less about AI - which was probably already there.

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