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(25,111 posts)malaise
(269,219 posts)I said this election night
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)paid for by Russians I was confused. They did not seem very harmful.
But hearing Rachel tonight I get it.
An ad praising Hillary for supporting BLM was only aired in red districts.
There had to be coordination for that to work.
onecaliberal
(32,929 posts)The intel assessment.
Initech
(100,108 posts)mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)Cambridge Analytica came in. They crunched your online data and pinpointed where the ads were to be placed.
triron
(22,025 posts)mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)paid them 6 million for their efforts.
malaise
(269,219 posts)Tweets in 3...2...1
GP6971
(31,226 posts)go off the rails tomorrow AM.
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)The country is being run by a bunch of thieves and crooks.
onecaliberal
(32,929 posts)llmart
(15,557 posts)for those of us without cable.
onecaliberal
(32,929 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)my understanding, however, is that there is not. Once the results are certified in the Electoral College, it's irreversible. The best hope is to impeach and convict Trump and Pence. The most realistic hope is to batter the Republicans in the midterms and take back Congress.
triron
(22,025 posts)Just like a complicit congress protecting a corrupt illegitimate POTUS.
onecaliberal
(32,929 posts)honest.abe
(8,685 posts)Our election process has been manipulated by a foreign government in combination with illegal activity by the campaign and the party of the winning candidate. Seems to me that is situation where the SCOTUS needs to get involved.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Individual legal actions contesting election results can and do sometimes make their way up to SCOTUS. However, once a President is elected by the Electoral College, it's game over vis-a-vis reversing or changing the result. There simply isn't any constitutional mechanism for a new election or "do-over" as you and others put it.
Other remedies are, however, still on the table. These remedies would all involve removing Trump, then hopefully Pence, according to rules of succession. There isn't a mechanism for making HRC President unless she were to be named Speaker of the House, coupled with the removal of both Trump and Pence. This is something the Democrats COULD, in fact, do if they take over the House in November. Realistically, though, it's exceedingly unlikely that anyone other than Nancy Pelosi will be Speaker if the Democrats get the House.
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)From 538...
But whether this kind of re-do is allowed for presidential elections is a more complicated matter. Some legal scholars maintain that the language in Article II of the Constitution prevents holding a presidential election again, thus putting it beyond the power of the courts to order a re-vote, as they have occasionally done for other offices. Others suggest that there is legal precedent for a presidential re-vote if there were flaws in the process. One instance in which this question arose was the butterfly ballot from the 2000 election, which may have caused some voters to choose Pat Buchanan when they meant to vote for Al Gore in Palm Beach County, Florida.
If the 2000 election had taken some different twists and turns, the re-vote question might have come up in a serious way, and its not clear what the courts would have decided. At least one federal court has suggested that the courts could order a new election. In 1976, a District Court in New York heard a case alleging voter fraud in several urban locations. The courts opinion maintained that federal courts had a role to play in ensuring free and fair presidential elections, arguing: It is difficult to imagine a more damaging blow to public confidence in the electoral process than the election of a President whose margin of victory was provided by fraudulent registration or voting, ballot-stuffing or other illegal means. This assertion challenged the idea that presidential elections occupy a special category beyond such court remedies. However, in this case, the court didnt find sufficient evidence that voter fraud had altered the outcome, or even occurred at all. As a result, its claims about presidential elections were not evaluated by higher courts and have never really been tested.
So experts disagree about whether courts can order presidential elections to be held again. Thats not great news for angry people hoping for a do-over. And even if it is constitutionally permissible, theres much broader agreement that the standard for invalidating an election result and holding another vote is quite high. University of Memphis law professor Steven Mulroy told me that courts will usually entertain this option only if they determine a violation of rules that would change the election outcome. In the case of the 2016 election, this would likely require proving tampering in several states where the vote was close enough to change the result in the Electoral College. In that case, a few states would vote again, not the entire country, Mulroy said. But this is new territory, and no one knows for sure.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-happens-if-the-election-was-a-fraud-the-constitution-doesnt-say/
Someone needs to figure out how to come up with a legal challenge that will allow the courts to take it up. Then let the legal battle begin.
triron
(22,025 posts)RussBLib
(9,044 posts)a little too late.
FOX viewers are totally brainwashed. GOP was probably in on it.
And Obama still just sits on his hands.
I'm tuning out. I've had enough.
babylonsister
(171,102 posts)to do about it now?
Eko
(7,371 posts)That's a bit rough don't you think?
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)onecaliberal
(32,929 posts)Not one of them is worth a shit. Not one!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)or is afraid to. And on another thread: "And we have no good Dem leaders to fight back. If our elected Dems are just cowering, why should we fight?" So that's pretty much where Russ seems to be coming from.
Speaking of Democratic leaders, I'm off to check the rest of the results of the latest primaries. We Georgia Democrats have nominated Georgia's first black woman for governor, making history.
The primaries are exciting and interesting, but they're making me impatient for November 6.
COUNTDOWN TO KICKING ASS IN THE MIDTERMS: 166 days!
AJT
(5,240 posts)"Republicans hold a slim lead over Democrats in a generic ballot among registered voters, a new Reuters poll found, marking the first time the survey showed the GOP ahead in this election cycle."
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Had not seen that. If the Democrats don't take over the house, the Republicans are going to run this country into the ground and that son of a bitch will never be impeached.
Our house will be going on the market anyway. Now, where to?
triron
(22,025 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,937 posts)Enough of a sample set the to give results on NJ - in two demographics.
That said - fight this like 98% of people want Republicans in Congress.
Ill start using this in the NJ 7th to scare people into voting.
bluestarone
(17,067 posts)Why blame Obama????????
Tarheel_Dem
(31,244 posts)colluding, crooked ass Republicans.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)I post on a conservative forum from time to time and those guys are totally bat-shit crazy. They buy everything fox tells them and the say that the rest of the media is all part of the deep state. Yet, at the same time they are saying that democrats were able to create this intricate deepstate under the noses of republicans, that democrats are stupid and inept and cant even manage an email server properly. Democrats are stupid for believing that there might be s trump-Russia connection while they are simultaneously believing that the deepstate thing is a hoax.
Sorry, but the party that actually believed the conspiracies of pizzagate, climategate, that school shootings are staged by democrats, and the illimati is totally nuts. The basis of their beliefs is that everyone is after them - including the government - and they have too keep their guns and their survivalist bunkers stocked for Armageddon. Never mind that the government that is supposedly after them has been dominated by the republicans at the state and federal level since 1980...
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
-- Voltaire
denbot
(9,901 posts)FO
onecaliberal
(32,929 posts)Were fucked. Its over.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)in November.
The Repubs will do nothing to protect the country from trump.
Only a Democratic controlled House will be able to protect our institutions.
Any statement by anyone on this board to counter voter turnout should be met with extreme prejudice.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,572 posts)Here, and everywhere!
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)We've done nothing to protect the voting system... and that worries me.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)a much bigger turnout than usual in a midterm election we could pull it off.
This year women and minorities are engaged as are liberal guys like me.
procon
(15,805 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)djacq
(1,634 posts)As a matter of cosmic history, it has always been easier to destroy than to create. -Spock
Considering the recoveries from Nixons impeachment, Reagans tax cuts, and G.W. Bushs triggering the Great Recession... Standby for a long recovery after we deal with this Orange Clown.
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few--or the one."
kentuck
(111,110 posts)He has the first eye on history.
He is very credible.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)unwatchable.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)in his book about the Dotard and the election. Repeating Clappers credentials over and over again. Come on Rachel, we arent ignorant Fox viewers, probably a majority of her audience is aware of who Clapper is and his experience. We dont need to be spoon fed every little detail, over and over. It is exasperating but, by the same token, I will always love you Rachel. Chris Hayes got a little talky today too trying to explain the Broidy affair which is truly confusing. He was all over the place. Just say, Trump impregnated the woman who was paid 1.6 million by Broidy who took the fall for for the affair for Trump In return for millions in government and foreign contracts. A form of bribery for which Trump will be indicted.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)It's about time.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)non-biased Committee called the House Intelligence Committee. They will use the opportunity to try and discredit his claims and probably even make some ridiculous charges against him such as dereliction of duty, to try and destroy his character. They don't want the truth, they just want to ask a bunch of misleading leading questions like Gowdy would do with Hillary, "such as the infamous "Do you still beat your wife, Mr. Clapper?" and when he tries to respond "Just Yes or No" Mr Clapper, I don't have a lot of time, and I've got lots more misleading questions I want to get to."
pnwmom
(109,006 posts)and I'm not sure, if he did say that, what exactly he meant.
orangecrush
(19,645 posts)he has no doubt the Russian intel operation swung the election to Trump.
pnwmom
(109,006 posts)that any one of several factors could have swung the election, including Russian meddling.
triron
(22,025 posts)questionseverything
(9,662 posts)no voting machines were ever checked
... Desi Doyen said on 10/17/2017 @ 4:00 pm PT...
Hi, Karen --- It was actually DHS, specifically acting undersecretary Jeanette Manfra, who acknowledged that DHS had not conducted a forensic examination on any individual voting machine during her testimony at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing on June 21, 2017. The relevant segment starts at about 58 minutes:
https://www.c-span.org/v...ted-russia-2016-election
Here's Brad's article on it: http://bradblog.com/?p=12192. More on it can also be found here.
Desi
triron
(22,025 posts)questionseverything
(9,662 posts)we really don't know
it amazes me that we accept that russians and repubs would cheat in every way possible, in front of our eyes, but think they are going to be above board on the secret vote counting software
Sneederbunk
(14,314 posts)orangecrush
(19,645 posts)The truth is out.
triron
(22,025 posts)onecaliberal
(32,929 posts)I cant wait to get the book.
Armymedic88
(251 posts)Is the ipitomy of a public servant. As a retired Army man myself, I can hear the military tone and style in how he speaks. He's a guy I'd go into battle with any day of the week.
JI7
(89,279 posts)there hadn't been all the negative attacks from Russia.
onecaliberal
(32,929 posts)JI7
(89,279 posts)triron
(22,025 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)onecaliberal
(32,929 posts)chillfactor
(7,584 posts)I do have to buy his book.....bet his book pisses tRump off......YES!