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LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
Tue May 15, 2018, 06:44 PM May 2018

Could the crash of MH370 have been a suicide?

Four years after the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight 370, new hypotheses about the cause of the crash are surfacing.

CBS News reports: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 crash was deliberate, aviation experts suggest:

An investigation by an Australian TV news program suggests the pilot of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which disappeared with 239 people aboard more than four years ago, deliberately crashed into the Indian Ocean.

Investigators are still searching for the aircraft, but these findings raise the possibility that one of the greatest aviation mysteries in modern history may not have been a catastrophic accident, but instead a possible mass murder-suicide.

"60 Minutes Australia" brought together an international group of aviation experts who say that the disappearance of MH370 was a criminal act by veteran pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah.

"He was killing himself; unfortunately, he was killing everybody else on board, and he did it deliberately," said Canadian Air crash investigator Larry Vance.


Aviation expert Larry Vance theorizes that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah not only wanted to die; but, he wanted to assure that the aircraft would never be found.



Boeing Pilot and flight instructor recreates MH 370's final moments in a flight simulator.



This Sunday, the expert panel reveal new insight on the flight’s final hours. (Picture: 60 Minutes)



Aviation expert Larry Vance and reporter Tara Brown with a wing component recovered from the vanished MH370.


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Could the crash of MH370 have been a suicide? (Original Post) LongTomH May 2018 OP
I don't believe MH370 MontanaMama May 2018 #1
There hasn't been much doubt in my mind that it was a pilot based suicide. Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #2
Exactly - suicide by one of the pilots is the only explanation for the flight path muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #3
That's where I'm at too. Little Star May 2018 #5
I suspect 2naSalit May 2018 #4
I think it was beamed into the mothership LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2018 #6
Two 19th-Century Shipwrecks Discovered During The Search...... Little Star May 2018 #7
I thought this the obvious explanation from the beginning. kwassa May 2018 #8
It was still an interesting discussion on the 60 Minutes show. Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #9
1. It's not new. 2. 99% speculation doxyluv13 May 2018 #10
If people died, bdjhawk May 2018 #11
That seems like the only real possibility treestar May 2018 #12

MontanaMama

(23,324 posts)
1. I don't believe MH370
Tue May 15, 2018, 06:59 PM
May 2018

was intentionally crashed into the Indian Ocean. While my personal jury is still out, I just read The Plane That Wasn’t There by Jeff Wise and he believes that the plane may have been taken as payback for sanctions against Russia. I won’t go into the depths of his argument but his book is fascinating and a quick read. There are many experts that are willing to entertain this idea as well. All of aviation engineers and scientists on the IG (Independent Group) seem to think that they flaperon piece that was found is not at all proof that the plane crashed in the ocean.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
2. There hasn't been much doubt in my mind that it was a pilot based suicide.
Tue May 15, 2018, 07:24 PM
May 2018

That’s the most logical conclusion - a pilot who wanted to kill himself AND not leave any trace.

The plane reaches cruising altitude, the other pilot takes advantage of a break in the workload and goes for a pee break, the suicide pilot locks the door and probably depressurizes the cabin while going on oxygen himself, he turns off the transponder and flies out over some of the remote and treacherous water on the planet. So long cruel world.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
3. Exactly - suicide by one of the pilots is the only explanation for the flight path
Tue May 15, 2018, 07:35 PM
May 2018

a near 180 degree turn back from the Chinese coast, flying over Thailand (which may or may not have been chosen to slow down cooperation between radar tracking and the Malaysian authorities), a right turn to avoid Indonesian airspace which would have brought more immediate attention, and then out to the open ocean.

I don't think anyone has thought it was an accident since they pieced together the track. And, from memory, they suspected one of the pilots far more than the other, but I can't remember if that was just because of personal life, or some actions on the day.

6. I think it was beamed into the mothership
Tue May 15, 2018, 07:52 PM
May 2018

and it is now halfway to Alpha Centuri.

It's really the only theory that makes sense.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
7. Two 19th-Century Shipwrecks Discovered During The Search......
Tue May 15, 2018, 07:54 PM
May 2018

For the past four years, experts have been searching the Indian Ocean in the hopes of finding Malaysian Airlines flight MH370, which vanished under mysterious circumstances in March of 2014. With the exception of several pieces of debris, these searches have not been able to locate the plane. But during the hunt for MH370, researchers discovered the remains of two shipwrecks that went missing in the 19th century, as the Associated Press reports.

The submerged ships were found some 1,430 miles off the coast of Australia in 2015, during a nearly three-year, state-sponsored search by Malaysia, China and Australia. (That initiative came to an end last year, but the Malaysian government has since approved a new attempt by a private American-based company to locate MH370.) Last week, the Western Australian Museum announced that it had identified the ships as 19th-century merchant vessels, which had been transporting cargo holds of coal when they sank to the ocean floor.

Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/two-19th-century-shipwrecks-discovered-during-search-flight-mh370-180969046/#7irLhVxTpRBBZWT7.99

Well they at least did find something.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
9. It was still an interesting discussion on the 60 Minutes show.
Tue May 15, 2018, 08:55 PM
May 2018

I haven’t followed the case lately. I wasn’t aware of the theory of the flaperon and a controlled ditching.

That makes a lot of sense. A death dive seemed like the quickest way to go but this guy may have been way more devious in his attempts to hide the aircraft for ever by leaving it to sink mostly intact.

doxyluv13

(247 posts)
10. 1. It's not new. 2. 99% speculation
Tue May 15, 2018, 10:34 PM
May 2018

Don't waste your time unless your are very, very interested in this subject. There is no new info, just re-interpretation. They are starting from the assumption that it was murder/suicide, and fits what evidence there is, into that theory. Murder/suicide has always been a major contender for the cause but this story does little to prove it.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. That seems like the only real possibility
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:11 AM
May 2018

in spite of people who knew the captain not thinking he was suicidal. That can often be hidden. And didn't he explore on a simulator those areas? It is the most remote area of the planet. He might have thought he'd see what few or no one ever saw before checking out.

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