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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould it have been OK for LGBT posters to have called their opponents here
and elsewhere breeders? I don't think so. I think if at the height of any contraversy about LGBT issues we had done this we would have been bounced (in point of fact many got purged anyway but that is another story for another day). I think if the only argument you have is to call others names, that speaks of a weakness in your arguments. I fail to see why those whose arguments are strong are insisting on portraying them as weak. I can point out why it is wrong to defend calling LGBT child molesters without calling my opponents breeders. I can equally call out people who defend racism without resorting to childish name calling. I think we all can.
Cary
(11,746 posts)We do seem to go out of our way to find fault and wedge ourselves.
marble falls
(57,275 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)Is it not?
marble falls
(57,275 posts)was specifically because they were having sex without pro-creation. Making the argument that one shouldn't use "breeder" because of the use of "child molester" is a false equivalency and trivializes the slander that was part and parcel to the bad treatment that gay men and women have suffered historically all across the planet.
Call me a breeder - I had children on purpose.
Nitram
(22,892 posts)It implies your only function in life is to mate and have children. Says nothing about caring for children. it is a pejorative and hurtful term.
Cary
(11,746 posts)I understand why an oppressed group would emotionally want to knock down their oppressor but the logic of doing so escapes me.
marble falls
(57,275 posts)one of the first 'rights' gays fought hard for and won was the right to parent. It was meant as a flip way to identify a basic difference between gay and straight. Anything else is way for straights to falsely make all LGBT seem as bigoted as some straights are.
There is no way in hell that all gay people think all straight people are animals who drop and forget their young - though with all the child abuse going on one might think otherwise.
Nitram
(22,892 posts)Just those who use the term "breeders." it is a disrespectful term, and is meant to be.
marble falls
(57,275 posts)wasn't procreative. That your choices are procreative or abstinent.
If you really want to be offended by the term 'breeder' go for it.
Personally, for me, that's a waste of time particularly since the crowd in Washington and Austin give plenty of real and substantive things to raise my personal load of dunder with.
Don't get your your feelings hurt, lets us get out the vote.
Cary
(11,746 posts)The aggressor needs to be knocked down a peg or two?
I understand the emotion of that but I question the logic.
Nitram
(22,892 posts)member of your own minority is not an adaptive strategy.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Diminishing me doesn't augment anyone other than those whom we jointly oppose.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Just sayin.
Cary
(11,746 posts)mcar
(42,376 posts)Don't know if those posting it were LGBT, though.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Whether it's Rethuglicans or Republicans using Democrat instead of Democratic, or silly little terms like wypipo.
It's a way to separate the other, to say that they are lesser and dismiss them.
But you are right that it is childish name calling and that it demonstrates the weakness in their ability to defend their position.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)child molester.
marble falls
(57,275 posts)if I really am a breeder that must I drop my children and run.
People who identify as straight are as good of parents as those who identify as homosexual/bi/trans/inters.
Breeders and gays make good parents by and large.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)their oppressors.
marble falls
(57,275 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,994 posts)A former DU'er upset with the heterosexism and homophobia, and a few other concerns, went after Skinner, calling him a "breeder" and his children "crotchfruit". The terms were not always directed at him specificially, but people here went batshit, found it offensive, and many LGBT people came to Skinner's (and others' defense) by stating we don't make ourselves better by denigrating others, no matter what they have done to us. The member was banned.
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gollygee
(22,336 posts)A humor column pointing out homophobia and specifically calling out people who claim to be allies but really aren't? Do you think there would be so many people freaking out about that?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Asking the LGBT folks at DU to treat their opponents like snowflakes.
You have gone too far with your opposition to other arguments. One cannot form a reasoned thought when it has gotten to this point.
I reserve the right to call opponents of our LGBT friends on DU any damn thing I want.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)wonkwest
(463 posts)Im gay. I dont want anyone to feel like they can be an asshole on my behalf.
If people really really need to feel justified in being a jerk, by all means. Go nuts. But youre not doing me a favor. Dont pretend like you are. I didnt approve of shitty behavior in my name.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Empty sloganeering with no meaning.
"I dont want anyone to feel like they can be an asshole on my behalf."
I would never be an asshole on your behalf. I never said I would nor did I insinuate it.
"But youre not doing me a favor."
Not everything is about you. Sorry to be rude. Each of your comments, for the most part, are extrapolations about self.
"I didnt approve of shitty behavior in my name."
Good. Fuck bigots and I didn't request your approval.
DFW
(54,445 posts)How does an LGBT have an opponent, anyway? Other than in a jousting match, I mean?
Isn't that like the Matterhorn having an opponent? It just IS. Why should anyone oppose that? HOW does anyone oppose that?
Behind the Aegis
(53,994 posts)"Opponents" are those who don't think our rights are as important as others; that "gay jokes" are OK when directed at enemies of the left; that fighting for our equality needs to be on their terms and timetables; that our feelings about homophobia and heterosexism need to be "splained to us. I could go on and on. So, yes, there are those who are "opponents" to the LGBT.
DFW
(54,445 posts)Anything THAT boorish, I wouldn't spend the time reading.
Sorry to hear it, all the same!
Behind the Aegis
(53,994 posts)DFW
(54,445 posts)So the rest of us have to live with those that feel a need to jump on others for whatever reason. Here in Europe, it just isn't that much of a big deal. I knew gay friends when I lived in Spain as a teenager, and that was 1968-1969. By now, I just never even bother to think of it as some huge dividing factor. Too used to it, I guess. My sister-in-law is Japanese. I'm not. That kind of "difference." A big "so what?" and no time to hear a response.
Behind the Aegis
(53,994 posts)...I also don't like when those who are supposed to be on my side, persecute me. Using gay men as an impetus for attack is homophobia. I simply wanted you to see the most recent incarnation which is why many GLBT people don't fell all that welcomed here.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)using gay as an insult - defending it, and doubling down on the defense.
kcr
(15,320 posts)I'm not wasting my time and mental energy on attacking those who are punching up, or worrying about the thin-skinned members of the majority who can't take it. If they're bothered by it, they probably deserve it.
demmiblue
(36,898 posts)their children will be taking care of me someday. I am thankful in advance.
(BTW, I do get your point)
wonkwest
(463 posts)And yet here we are, defending racism because its targeted appropriately.
You know the people defending bigotry would lose their damn minds if LGBTers spoke in this way towards straight people.
The salt would be real.
Bigotry is never ok. That grown-ass liberal adults still need that explained to them is just boggling to me.