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highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
Thu May 3, 2018, 03:29 PM May 2018

What are the odds the Cohen wiretap showed he planned to destroy evidence & Trump told him to do so?

And in case you wonder why I suspect Trump would have told him to destroy evidence -- either ordered him to do so or encouraged him if Cohen brought this up first -- then see reply 5 below and the Newsweek article cited, which goes into Trump's history of destroying evidence, even in defiance of court orders.

Even if the conversation between Cohen and someone in the White House -- presumably Trump -- wasn't when this was discussed, it's possible Cohen discussed destroying evidence, and whether Trump wanted him to do so, with someone else. (Hannity, maybe?)

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What are the odds the Cohen wiretap showed he planned to destroy evidence & Trump told him to do so? (Original Post) highplainsdem May 2018 OP
Would explain the raid bigbrother05 May 2018 #1
You misspelled executed a legally authorized search warrant. nt bench scientist May 2018 #2
haha, good one!! Yes, no doubt they got these con-artists by the proverbial balls... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #4
Small, but one of the many "possibilities" will pan out before this is over. Hoyt May 2018 #3
Why do you say it's a small possibility? Trump's companies have destroyed evidence in the past, highplainsdem May 2018 #5
The question was whether the wire tap would disclose a discussion on destroying evidence. Hoyt May 2018 #8
Or Discussing with his Fixer Something Like this.... Stallion May 2018 #6
call me crazy bunny planet May 2018 #7

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
4. haha, good one!! Yes, no doubt they got these con-artists by the proverbial balls...
Thu May 3, 2018, 03:40 PM
May 2018

time to put the hammer down... and smash 'em.

Queue the "Lock 'em up!!!" chant (looks like they're actually screaming those words if u lip-read... hahaha!!)...

highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
5. Why do you say it's a small possibility? Trump's companies have destroyed evidence in the past,
Thu May 3, 2018, 03:44 PM
May 2018

in defiance of court orders:

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html


Over the course of decades, Donald Trump’s companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders. These tactics—exposed by a Newsweek review of thousands of pages of court filings, judicial orders and affidavits from an array of court cases—have enraged judges, prosecutors, opposing lawyers and the many ordinary citizens entangled in litigation with Trump. In each instance, Trump and entities he controlled also erected numerous hurdles that made lawsuits drag on for years, forcing courtroom opponents to spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggled—sometimes in vain—to obtain records.

-snip-

Trump’s use of deception and untruthful affidavits, as well as the hiding or improper destruction of documents, dates back to at least 1973, when the Republican nominee, his father and their real estate company battled the federal government over civil charges that they refused to rent apartments to African-Americans. The Trump strategy was simple: deny, impede and delay, while destroying documents the court had ordered them to hand over.

-snip-



Very long article, but well worth reading to understand how Trump deals with these situations.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. The question was whether the wire tap would disclose a discussion on destroying evidence.
Thu May 3, 2018, 07:46 PM
May 2018

I think that is unlikely or too much to hope for, hence"small." Although with trump, who knows.

God knows, we all hope some simple slip up will bring trump down. But if a simple slip up were all it takes -- legally and politically -- he wouldn't have made it to inauguration or even to the general election as the candidate.

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
6. Or Discussing with his Fixer Something Like this....
Thu May 3, 2018, 03:50 PM
May 2018

Instead, the transcript reveals, Mr. Nixon repeatedly discussed different methods by which as much as $1 million could be paid to the burglars without the payments being traced to the White House. The purpose of such payments, in the President's own words, would be "to keep the cap on the bottle," to "buy time," to "tough it through."

"How much money do you need?" the President asked Dean early in the March 21 conversation, according to the transcript.

"I would say these people are going to cost a million dollars over the next two years," Dean replied.

"We could get that," the President continued. "On the money, if you need the money you could get that. You could get a million dollars. You could get it in cash. I know where it could be gotten. It is not easy, but it could be done. But the question is who the hell would handle it? Any ideas on that?"

bunny planet

(10,875 posts)
7. call me crazy
Thu May 3, 2018, 03:51 PM
May 2018

but I don't think it's a coincidinky that trump tower went up in flames literally the day before the Cohen raid.....easy to put stuff in that guys apartment that you might want destroyed....there was also a fire on the roof of the building a few weeks prior. I also don't think it's a coincidence that the trump tower in Azerbaijan also went up in flames a couple of weeks later.....things that make you go hmmmm.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'm not a coincidence theorist either.

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