Breaking - Wiretap onCohen weeks before FBI raid - Update per NBC - Phones monitored - no wiretap

[malaise]

Last edited Thu May 3, 2018, 07:26 PM - Edit history (1)

WH involved - Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

They are going down

[Xipe Totec]

1. And Lordy, there will be tapes. nt

[C_U_L8R]

3. Lordy lordy lordy

Praise the lordy !!

[malaise]

4. There are tapes

M$NBComcast now. Evidence of a crime. Holy Shit this is coming to a head.

[trueblue2007]

33. Lordy, There are tapes. ** Lordy, Lordy, There are tapes. ** Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, There are tapes.

[malaise]

46. Cohen will flip faster than a gymnast

[cilla4progress]

38. Eggs

ACKLY!!!!
👍👍🤪🤸🏻?♀️

[Hekate]

6. Oh hell yes. roflmao. I love the smell of indictments in the morning. nt

[malaise]

45. Now we know why noun/verb/9/11 was out on Fux first last night

This was about to break

[Zoonart]

53. I'm also guessing they have Vonkers on tap...

hence the "Hands off Vonkers" panic.

[malaise]

57. Good spot

[BobTheSubgenius]

73. Smells like VICTORTY!!!

Oh my my, oh hell yes. Go put on your party dress.

[Hekate]

79. Oh yeah, and I'm tuning up the Schadenfreude Band to play the Schadenfreude Twist n Shout

[hlthe2b]

9. I'm at best equivocal about Comey, but I LOVE that comment!

[HipChick]

2. LMAO....

[MineralMan]

5. Uh-oh!

[Cracklin Charlie]

7. Trumps presidential library is gonna be YUGE!

It will have to be, to store all the evidence that Special Counsel has amassed against these treason weasels!

[Orsino]

25. He could be librarian if he's a model prisoner. n/t

[volstork]

27. trump as librarian

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

58. There will be an entire wing devoted to indictments.

[LSFL]

81. Treasels?

[asiliveandbreathe]

8. Correct me if I'm wrong..atty-client privilege..IF both lawyer and client are

serving up crime - then atty-client privilege is out the window....and the atty knows it is a crime..or the client knows it is a crime, right???

[marylandblue]

30. Mostly

If they are conspiring to commit a crime, it's not priveleged. If it's a theoretical discussion, like "Is this a crime?" then it's privileged. Smart criminals keep it "theoretical." Dumb ones, well, we are talking about Trump here, so...

[LakeArenal]

10. 👀👁🙏🏻😱

[janx]

11. WH involved?

How so? I can't keep up with all of this!

[emulatorloo]

15. Article: At least one phone call between a phone line associated with Cohen and the White House was

intercepted.

Getting link


https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210571976

[janx]

18. Thanks for the info.--no cable here.

Might have to turn on the XM radio.

[greatauntoftriplets]

12. Did they put it in his microwave?

[SummerSnow]

49. Obama did it again. lol

[sprinkleeninow]

77. They monitored his microwave.

That dammm microwave.
Microwaves just cannot be trusted.
😂😆🤣

~sprink
💙🇺🇸🌊

[emulatorloo]

13. Avenatti says FBI was collecting text communication as well. Says he is not speculating this is

A fact

[janx]

19. Lordy!

I wondered if he knew, but I shouldn't have.

[Leghorn21]

14. Holy shit!!!!! - and I thoroughly agree with this tweeter!!:

I haven’t been this excited since Giuliani’s appearance on Hannity.
12:06 PM - May 3, 2018

Link to tweet

?s=20

[malaise]

16. ROFL

[emulatorloo]

17. NBC Article: Feds tapped Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's phones

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210571976

[hatrack]

21. That's a lot of phones - at least 16 of 'em

[janx]

24. Yeah. Which (or how many) of the 16 phones?

[spanone]

20. ....

[janx]

22. From Robert Costa:

Link to tweet

[MelissaB]

23. This is a big deal. Criminal wiretaps (known as Title IIIs, not FISAs) are difficult to get.

This is a big deal. Criminal wiretaps (known as Title IIIs, not FISAs) are difficult to get. You have to show a court that your intercepts will uncover evidence of a crime that you cannot obtain through less intrusive means.

Link to tweet

[Saviolo]

54. Absolutely!

There are a few people tweeting about that:

Wiretaps are difficult to get. Applications require multiple layers of review, including by career lawyers in Washington, plus approval by a district court judge (not magistrate). Also they signify proof of an ongoing crime. And you don't tap a President's attorney lightly.

Link to tweet

[janx]

26. More Costa:

Link to tweet

Trump's going to tweet so hard that his phone will catch fire.

[dweller]

40. did Costa suggest

a secure line or a burner?

I hope it's tapped 😜

[rtracey]

50. hmmm UMMMM aaaahhhhh

oh ummmmm, hahahhaa well, I ahhahaa you see, there was this guy ummmm BENGHAZI, BENGHAZI, EMAILS CROOKED HILLARY


IVANKA, MELANIA HELP!!!!!

[mobeau69]

28. In flames.

[Capperdan]

60. I Wanna Believe You

Please get this scum out of OUR HOUSE!

[janx]

29. And Costa again:

Link to tweet

[Calista241]

31. Just because you have a wiretap order, that doesn't mean you can

Listen to any, or use any, privileged information a listener could glean from a conversation.

The chances Trump was on that call is ridiculously small, and the chance he would discuss incriminating information without 100% knowing who was on the line is infinitesimally smaller.

They probably heard a conversation between Cohen and Dowd, Cobb or McGahn relating to document possession and submission. Since that would be Trump’s legal team discussing legal strategy, that call would be covered by attorney-client privilege.

[grantcart]

34. Correct

[atreides1]

36. You give Trump a lot of credit!

He's arrogant, Dowd and Cobb left, it's been reported that he and McGahn aren't exactly on cordial term...and Ghouliani dropped the soap on Hannity!!!

So it's very likely that Trump talked to Cohen without his legal "team" even knowing about it...and only the FBI knows what was discussed...and investigators along with the court will decide if the conversation was privileged!

[Saviolo]

55. The hot theory right now...

... and keep in mind, this is just what people with more knowledge of the process than I have been saying in a theoretical sort of way, is that the call discussed not possession and submission of documents, but destruction of them. That discussion would not be covered by a-c privilege as it is discussion about committing a crime.

[MoonRiver]

32. More evidence that you can't fix stupid!

[mcar]

35. Watching daytime cable news

I usually don't tune in till 5. But this is too delicious.

[cilla4progress]

37. Yes -

Thanks!

You suppose the tap created the legal basis for the raid? Which means they already had and have the goods???!!

OH HAPPY DAY!!!!!

[OnDoutside]

39. Poor old Hughie Hewitt does NOT look pleased does he, on MSNBC ?

[oasis]

41. If the name popped up of the guy who threatened Stormey Daniels

and HE can be connected to Trump. Oh my!

[grantcart]

42. Prediction: Trump will fire Rosenstein

[janx]

43. Soon, I suspect. n/t

[grantcart]

44. Rachel can skip show prep and sleep in

[duforsure]

47. If campaign finance laws were violated, or any crimes,

No attorney client privilege. They can listen to anyone.

[ffr]

48. Can anyone remember any other president in their lifetime that was wiretapped?

Me neither.

[DeminPennswoods]

52. Nixon essentially wiretapped himself

with his Oval Office taping system.

[GusBob]

62. Hoover had some goods on people

Maybe JFK

[FarPoint]

51. I still believe that Comey wore a wire...

The day tRump had him come in to kiss his ring... wanting a loyalty oath....

Comey was skeptical, heck suspicious and uncomfortable of tRump...I think the bombshell will be, Comey wore a wire.

[TheDebbieDee]

56. But, wait! Didn't we hear on RMS on MSNBC

shortly after Cohen's offices were raided that Cohen's phones had been wire-tapped for several months prior?

[Ilsa]

59. Has trumpkins melted down and tweeted about it yet?

I'm looking forward to him implicating himself and those around him further.

[malaise]

65. Not yet

[GusBob]

61. I think the wiretap proved they were destroying evidence, hence the seizure

These guys are fuuuuucked

[Honeycombe8]

63. OMG! This is YUGE! Christmas in May! nt

[Amaryllis]

64. JUSt tuned in - offline all day- what ? please explain.

[malaise]

66. Here you go

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/feds-tapped-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-s-phones-n871011
<snip>
CORRECTION: Earlier today, NBC News reported that there was a wiretap on the phones of Michael Cohen, President Trump’s longtime personal attorney, citing two separate sources with knowledge of the legal proceedings involving Cohen.

But three senior U.S. officials now dispute that, saying that the monitoring of Cohen’s phones was limited to a log of calls, known as a pen register, not a wiretap where investigators can actually listen to calls.

NBC News has changed the headline and revised parts of the original article.

Federal investigators have monitored the phone lines of Michael Cohen, the longtime personal lawyer for President Donald Trump who is under investigation for a payment he made to an adult film star who alleged she had an affair with Trump, according to multiple senior officials and individuals with knowledge of the legal proceedings involving Cohen.

[Amaryllis]

67. Thanks. 24 hours away from news is an eternity these days.

[malaise]

68. 24 hours?

Three hours is an eternity - it's non-stop breaking news with these goons at the helm

[Amaryllis]

71. As we well know from RAchel. How long has it been since she didnt start with I've had to throw ou

out my hwole show to cover what is happening right now?

[janx]

69. Here is CNN's explanation of the whole thing:

http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/03/media/nbc-news-michael-cohen-correction/index.html



I find this part interesting:

Calling it an "important distinction," Winter explained that a pen register meant authorities were "not able to listen in in real-time or record his conversations." Instead, they were only able to monitor incoming and outgoing calls. Winter's initial story cited two sources with knowledge of legal proceedings involving Cohen.

[malaise]

70. Yes indeed

I so wanted tapes from wiretaps

[janx]

72. But I really wonder who those sources were.

I suspect they were not from the DOJ.

[triron]

75. Maybe there is or will still be a wiretap, Maybe this is just a coverup?

[janx]

76. haha, no. This was a limited wiretap used

with other information. There is no doubt.

[janx]

78. By the way,

your response really cracks me up.

[Historic NY]

74. Its was a pen register, it does not record conversation

but it does record times, length of call, from and to. If they text message it can trap that also.

[raven mad]

80. Not much of one for praying, but I was hoping "LET THERE BE TAPES"...........

And, lo, there are tapes!!

[triron]

82. knr