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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow do you think it will end for Trump?
I don't know. His lying attitude reminds me of Nixon, but I don't know what will happen in the end. I thought I had an idea, but it looks like no Republicans are standing up to him at this point.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Stuart G
(38,436 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)My working assumption is Mueller is going to get him in a corner where the only way out is for him to resign.
Shrek
(3,981 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)A blow for freedom in multiple dimensions!
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)law in my opinion.
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)I sure hope that happens...
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)We are going to have to change the laws to prevent another lawbreaking asshat from using presidential powers for personal gain.
madamesilverspurs
(15,805 posts)tparrett62
(268 posts)I truly think he believes that if he just sat down with Mueller, he could bullshit his way out of this. I think with this nonsense about a Nobel Peace Prize being floated by his suckups, he thinks he's invulnerable. So regardless of how it ends, I think he's going to be very surprised that it didn't end with his face being carved into Mount Rushmore.
But if I had to bet, I'd go with resignation. He wants to be in control of everything, and he doesn't want to be impeached. He will try to find the most face-saving way out of this when he actually realizes how bad it is.
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)If he really thinks this, he will be surprised. Mueller has dealt with "bullshit" I hope you are correct with "resignation." He needs to go down, just like Nixon..or worse.
nature-lover
(1,469 posts)elfin
(6,262 posts)There are no responsible Repugs in leadership to do the right things, unlike in Nixon days.
We MUST retake the House to bring the realistic hammer of Impeachment (whether actually done) to speed things along. I am not in favor of actually taking that step. Takes too much time and energy away from correcting the worst policies IMO. Would rather kneecap him via the House and a scrabbled together vote count in the Senate (less hopeful of retaking that), so that his worst instincts are veto proofed.
Pence coud be as bad or possibly worse without the emotional chaos.
Otherwise, he can lie and delay and ultimately make some sort of face-saving deal that gives him some false comfort and saves his precious Ivanka from harm.
As much as I would like to see him in prison, I would much more love to see him totally impoverished and in court forever.
BigmanPigman
(51,610 posts)Even he doesn't know until he actually does it. The question is what will Mueller, the Supreme Court, the GOP House and Senate, his lawyers and his staff do? As long as there is Ryan and McConnell there will be no more investigation into the moron. He will finish his term, and since nothing has been done to prevent a repeat of 2016, he could very well get reelected. The only way his base would turn on him is if the economy and the price of gas/oil skyrockets and hurts them directly. The Repubs are in control. Party Over Country is their motto. Money is the god that they worship.
kairos12
(12,862 posts)He will have to be beaten at the ballot box in 2020.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Backwoodsrider
(764 posts)Supreme Crt will be sometime next year. Then he is going to claim 5th then a likely democratic house is going to begin the impeachment process which Trump and the GOP will try and stop.
Some in the GOP are just a dirty as Trump right now and probably could not last through the first year of investigations on a Democratic House so they are doing what they can to stop the investigation. Its kind of like they sold their soul.
What is really scary is the possibility the Trump team has the ability to influence the supreme court. I am not sure who is really funding Trump but it might be Putin making his move to control his side of the world then yeah I can see him trying to influence at least 1 of the Supreme Crt Justices.
Now I am saying this as if Mueller does not provide another ounce of evidence but I think he already has tons and will get a lot more before they show their cards.
Mueller prosecutor vs Trump the 21st century crime boss is what this story should be.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)elocs
(22,582 posts)and announce he will not seek re-election, also citing a massive conspiracy against him.
I think of the old saying, "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride" regarding the belief of so many here that if they really, really believe that justice will come to Trump, it will happen.
Quite simply, in human history justice has not come for millions of individuals no matter how much they deserve to get it or receive it. This is not a 1950s western where the good guys always win and the bad guys pay the price. A sad and simple possibility is that nothing bad may happen to Trump. Sometimes that's just the way life works out.
I remember Fitzmas when so many on the Left were bragging and strutting about how Bush and Cheney were going to be frog-marched to The Hague.
Let Mueller do his job and build his case brick by brick and temper the sometimes over-the-top exuberance over every new little thing and this time, for the sake of the nation, show up and vote for the Democratic candidates, imperfect though they may be, because in virtually every election the winner will be either the Democratic candidate or the Republican one. Let's make it the Democratic candidate because each one of them counts towards the Democrats controlling whatever body they are elected to.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)That is, the time when he's done all the damage he can do and received all the attention he can get, and now it's time to move on.
He is a human Godzilla.
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)spooky3
(34,458 posts)Russians call in their chits?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Mother Russia and into the arms of Putin.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Unless he thinks he can be of useto him in attacking the us and other places.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Orange Free State
(611 posts)Just playing the odds. Thats where he is most of the time, and he looks like a candidate for a coronary.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)We can dream though.
lanlady
(7,134 posts)Its hard to say. Trump has never had to pay a price for his sins and crimes, and he may just continue to avoid responsibility until the day he dies. Hes very clever that way. His children are another matter - they have no redeeming qualities, and the Trump brand may go down the toilet with their generation. Gawd I hope so - that family is a virulent disease.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)What would be awesome is if Traitor Tot was actually indicted (notwithstanding DoJ's policy, which isn't a law) for various crimes of conspiracy, money laundering, tax evasion and obstruction of justice, flies away in a helicopter under threat of impeachment just like Nixon did in 1974, and is eventually tried and convicted. But the gutless GOPers won't do anything, so I don't know how this ends. Maybe all those Big Macs and KFC meals will take care of the situation.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)he will not end up with his family because they will have all disappeared and the orange shitgibbon will just be another bum wandering around the streets begging for a few nickles.
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)Very unlikely, but he deserves the worst. Such an ignoramus. And he can't shut the fuck up. I hate him. Time will tell what will happen, but one thing is for sure...life is not always fair. Trump could end up ok and still with a lot of assets and money............quoting post 18........writer...elcos:
"A sad and simple possibility is that nothing bad may happen to Trump. Sometimes that's just the way life works out."
IADEMO2004
(5,555 posts)nolabear
(41,986 posts)A girl can dream.
Thunderbeast
(3,417 posts)If cornered by indictment or impeachment, it would not be crazy to think this unhinged conman will call out to his "Second Ammendment" friends to encircle the White House.
He wanted his Eric Prince Army for just such a contingency. Maybe Putin and Netenyahu would send him help.
Any use of Federal agents or the Army would be characterized as a military coup.
I have stopped under-estimating the capacity of this dictator and his cabal of wealthy traitors. They are serious about a new Feudal Order.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Imagine 45, or any right-winger of your choice, with a PRIVATE PERSONAL ARMY at their disposal...
RIP USA.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Theyre choosing party over country, Trumpism over the rule of law. So the wheels of justice grind far too slowly.
However, Ill admit that, when it comes to being a lifelong Democrat, my pessimism is somewhat reflexive. Id be happy as hell to be wrong on this, and would be overjoyed to see 45 and his pirates get whats coming to them prison time.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)Mecham has a new book due out in a week, The Soul of America, The Battle for our Better Angels. Heard him interviewed on NPR today and he said Trump reminds him of the first Prez Johnson and of McCarthy even more. That McCarthy really got how to manipulate the fears of Americans. He convinced me.
LBJ thought putting the McCarthy hearings on TV would expose McCarthy and freak our Americans and we could get rid of him. Maybe we just need to get Trump on TV in a trial type setting and it will work. This is where I think Trump is clever. He'll never let him get in a position like that. Or maybe the country is too far gone and even the McCarthy hearings wouldn't upset people anymore.
Very badly.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)unless he goes to jail first but I' m not counting on that
meadowlander
(4,397 posts)Reemeges in six months to make a statement from Trump Tower Azerbaijan against the advice of his attourneys to whine about how disgracefully hes been treated by the failing Interpol.
kimbutgar
(21,163 posts)Between citizens united,Russian meddling and the alt media universe the heathen will hang on there until the end.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... by his own party.
The GOP is playing The Big Stall right now, trying to hold together and present a united front in the lead-up to the midterms, in hopes of mitigating the damage they know is coming.
Once the votes are in and the damage is done, Trump is expendable - in fact, he's the Republican party's greatest liability as both parties gear-up for the 2020 GE.
The GOP knows that they've been losing elections due to Trump's toxicity - and they know things will get progressively worse over the next two years. They'd much rather use those two years selling the re-election of President Pence than trying to sell the re-election of a man who continues to be a disaster on a daily basis.
I'm sure there isn't a single Republican among the powers-that-be in the GOP who doesn't know for a fact that Trump will never be re-elected - the numbers aren't there now, and they certainly won't be any better in 2020. And speculation as to how much more damage he will do to the Republican "brand" between now and the 2020 GE surely falls into the "holy shit!- can we survive this" category.
I think we should all keep in mind that at this point, a "President Pence" represents everything the GOP can rally their voters around - the Evangelicals see him as the good Christian they want in the WH, and there won't be any necessity to defend his tweets, his erratic behaviour, his persistent lies - and no porn stars to be dealt with.
The common cry against the above theory is that the hardcore Trump supporters will never accept his ousting - but as we've seen, those supporters can be convinced of literally anything, and very easily so. If you can sell Republican voters on the idea that a pussy-grabber was ordained by God to lead a nation, you can sell them anything.
I am expecting a major sea-change after the midterms, when the GOP no longer have any reason to
support the man who is ruining their "brand". Republican voters may be incredibly stupid - but the PTB in that party can be quite astute at reading the writing on the wall.
Takket
(21,577 posts)bluestarone
(16,976 posts)I just hope RUMP is not able to pardon ANYBODY before he is dealt with!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT THEM ALL to pay!!!!!!!!!
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)Away from civilization, surrounded by his worshipers & the remaining fawning press, stewing in his own insanity.
Raine
(30,540 posts)I hope because I don't want President Pence!
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)I'm not sure what happens after that. He will never resign. All the power to protect himself lies in the Presidency, so he will hang on to it for as long as he can.
Pelosi will probably not have the guts to impeach. But if she does not gain the Speakership, I think Trump will be impeached. By this time, there may be the political will to convict him in the Senate.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Then spending the next ten years of his life in and out of court while his organization goes unders as creditors call in their debts.
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)think that he will be able to get "speaking fees" at the high end?.low end, .or no end? I think that Nixon isolated after his demise...hard to imagine that Trump would .."isolate"
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)OP, although I don't see him going to jail, and although I know that thuglicans are the party of treason, racism and of not giving a damn about this country or most of it's inhabitants who don't seem to want to hold his feet to the fire. And although I know that the Supreme Court is a 5-4 leaning thuglican court (Should they have to make a ruling on whether tRump as POTUS would not have to comply with a Mueller subpoena). I say this knowing that the GOP will be using their voter-suppression tactics yet again. I say knowing that our voting system is highly compromised and in some places broken, and that voting the bums out won't be easy, and I say this knowing that there may be more ruskie interference in our next set of elections this fall ....
I feel that some HIDEOUS Karma is gonna catch up to his racist, treasonous, lying, fat, sexually-abusing/sexually-assaulting ass.
At 71, the HOG'S evil, rotten, and unhealthy mentally and physically. He has fewer moons LEFT to see. He's stubborn, brash, mouthy and mean. But he's also a coward. I'm not sure if he'll say he's unhealthy and will be "forced" to leave office per his physician's recommendation, or he'll just run away like the coward he is and say that his mission is done, and that he's been the BIG success he knew he'd be, it's time to "move on."
Bottom line: I don't feel that he'll serve all 4 years let alone 8. In any event, he won't be able to run fast enough to escape KARMA, which is catching up to him. I'm saying all of what I'm saying being a person at 57 whose always looked @ everything from a skeptical point view all of my life.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)He'll weather through everything and make himself president for life.
Not likely but he's managed to make every other unbelievable, joke prediction come true up to now.
Turbineguy
(37,343 posts)by comparison.
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)Ligyron
(7,633 posts)MFM008
(19,816 posts)At the very least.
enid602
(8,620 posts)Google 'Mussolini in public square.' Then click on images.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)If Putin continues to help it could go much longer.