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TexasTowelie

(112,237 posts)
Wed May 2, 2018, 07:07 AM May 2018

A Christian pastor just broke the internet with a scathing open letter to Huckabee Sanders and Trump

With “thou shalt not lie” on the top 10 list of commandments for centuries now, you would think that more evangelicals would be holding the Trump administration’s feet to the burning bush for their sins of conducting illicit and intimate relationships with mistruth.

Yet the majority of evangelical pastors get more incensed over the right to bear arms than oppose the bearing of false witness, at least by members of the Trump administration

Not John Pavlovitz. The progressive evangelical pastor and author is one of the few men of the cloth who interprets the New Testament in the spirit of the Christian teachings it contains, rather than molding the biblical contents into fodder for their own worldly aims.

Pavlovitz’s latest post on his popular website addresses the controversy surrounding comedian Michelle Wolf’s routine at the White House Correspondents Dinner and what some members of the press saw as her outrageously rude remarks towards White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

Read more: https://washingtonpress.com/2018/05/01/a-christian-pastor-just-broke-the-internet-with-a-scathing-open-letter-to-huckabee-sanders-and-trump/

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A Christian pastor just broke the internet with a scathing open letter to Huckabee Sanders and Trump (Original Post) TexasTowelie May 2018 OP
"Screw all that Bible bullshit." - Dirty Donny* (R) Achilleaze May 2018 #1
They reek with hypocrisy. olegramps May 2018 #26
that sentiment should not only be directed at Sanders mnmoderatedem May 2018 #2
Why limit it to evangelicals? Why not all fake christians? pangaia May 2018 #27
Funny thing, Christians anticipated THAT Jesus Girard442 May 2018 #3
Finally, a real Christian speaks Cha May 2018 #4
You're welcome. TexasTowelie May 2018 #5
Exactly.. it's an Oxymoron.. Cha May 2018 #6
Boy, I've been wanting to get into her facial contortions for a long time. Mc Mike May 2018 #8
And, this Pastor, John Pavlovitz, Cha May 2018 #10
Me neither. I can only watch other people who watch it. Mc Mike May 2018 #12
She has sold her soul to the devil personified. I hopelessly wish there is a hell and heaven. olegramps May 2018 #25
Modern Romans. nt Mc Mike May 2018 #40
Being a HUMAN BEING and being a Trump supporter are completely incompatible. pangaia May 2018 #28
Drop the mic.. Cha May 2018 #7
John P doesn't hold back. CurtEastPoint May 2018 #9
It's even better coming Cha May 2018 #11
I wish Trump had never been President el_bryanto May 2018 #13
Yes, a person of principle, like John Pavlovitz, a Christian minister. CurtEastPoint May 2018 #14
Watching SHS Geechie May 2018 #15
excellent heaven05 May 2018 #16
Pavlovitz nailed it here: Trueblue Texan May 2018 #17
No, no, no.... SergeStorms May 2018 #47
Great blog!! For each of his posts a few diehard T supporters attack Pavlovitz's Christianity bobbieinok May 2018 #18
Here is the original, mic-dropping DEAR SARAH text. OneBro May 2018 #19
As always, he nails it. I've been following him on Twitter and... WePurrsevere May 2018 #20
he hits the nail on the head so often he should be a carpenter....like someone else i can think of.. dembotoz May 2018 #32
Well put... Upthevibe May 2018 #21
Most excellent! Nice to hear from a Christian who actually believes in the core tenets of Nitram May 2018 #22
I'd bet he doesn't live in a 10 million dollar house either. ooky May 2018 #46
Meanwhile Paul Ryan kicks out the chaplain to replace him with someone who preaches the "prosperity Nitram May 2018 #49
There are Many Mainline Churches Who Believe in the Real Teachings of Jesus McKim May 2018 #23
Anen the that. Stonepounder May 2018 #36
I'm with you and all TomSlick May 2018 #43
Kick dalton99a May 2018 #24
Gone viral? catrose May 2018 #29
That was brilliant! mcar May 2018 #30
Go straight to hell for lying. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200 Major Nikon May 2018 #31
But what about the indulgences they're buying?!? Fritz Walter May 2018 #48
Our political struggle mirrors a religious struggle.... HenryWallace May 2018 #33
Trump is not a good christian Gothmog May 2018 #34
He has very good posts on grief as well central scrutinizer May 2018 #35
I wish to gawd he HAD broken the internet with this LiberalLovinLug May 2018 #37
Source: https://johnpavlovitz.com/ Sentath May 2018 #38
Republican Jesus don't care about no 10 commandments. Initech May 2018 #39
I found him Delphinus May 2018 #41
The lies that people believe apkhgp May 2018 #42
I'm very glad to have read this, but I have to wonder... BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #44
If you have not been looking for people like Pavlovitz, you will have missed them. They exist... Hekate May 2018 #45

mnmoderatedem

(3,728 posts)
2. that sentiment should not only be directed at Sanders
Wed May 2, 2018, 07:20 AM
May 2018

but to every evangelical who who voted for him and who want to keep that mulligan assembly line rolling.

Cha

(297,293 posts)
4. Finally, a real Christian speaks
Wed May 2, 2018, 07:26 AM
May 2018

out against the LIES of shs and trump..

snip//

“You see, I’m a Christian and I’ve heard you claim that you’re a Christian too—and watching you work recently, it got me thinking:”

“How does she do it?”

“What I mean is, how do you reconcile your supposed faith in Jesus of Nazareth, with your current position as a mouthpiece for this morally malignant President?,” the evangelical preacher begins his epistle to DC.

Pavlovitz then goes on to detail the many contradictions that any professed Christian should rightfully consider when they work in the service of someone whose behavior is the very antithesis of every value that Jesus espoused.

Thank you, TexasT

Cha

(297,293 posts)
6. Exactly.. it's an Oxymoron..
Wed May 2, 2018, 07:41 AM
May 2018
“I watch you every week as you repeatedly distort the truth,

as you attack journalists who come carrying facts. as you vilify politicians who oppose your employer’s malfeasance,

as you categorically defend his every vile statement, every personal attack, every nonsensical Tweet, every baseless firing, every legislative assault.”

“I watch your face contort with the unmistakable tells of a person who doesn’t believe a word they’re saying; one who’s sold their soul and is now hopelessly trapped in a lie about a lie about a lie.

I hope Michelle Wolf gets to read this..

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
8. Boy, I've been wanting to get into her facial contortions for a long time.
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:08 AM
May 2018

It's like watching a dirty cockroach scuttle across a marble kitchen counter top, when she vomits up another lie, the way her mouth goes all crooked and her cock-eyes get cock-ier. That ugly little grimace.

I'm still not sure Sarah isn't just Mike in a dress, with pearls on, and the perfect smoky-eye makeup.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
12. Me neither. I can only watch other people who watch it.
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:15 AM
May 2018

Even then, I have to mute and fast forward some stuff, to avoid getting enveloped in the stench cloud that surrounds all dRump family and operatives.

Credit to Pastor John. Good to see people unhappy with the orange antichrist hijacking their religion, and openly drawing the line.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
25. She has sold her soul to the devil personified. I hopelessly wish there is a hell and heaven.
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:41 AM
May 2018

The good man does is interred with their bones, but evil they do lives after them.

Cha

(297,293 posts)
7. Drop the mic..
Wed May 2, 2018, 07:52 AM
May 2018
“I imagine you feel that thirty seconds of jokes from a comedian is terrible treatment; that you feel unfairly bullied, that feel that you didn’t deserve to be personally attacked.”

“I imagine you feel like an innocent victim in all this.”

“Given the countless hours you’ve spent lying to the world and claiming Jesus while you’ve done it—I think you got off easy,” he concludes
.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
13. I wish Trump had never been President
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:19 AM
May 2018

But it will be interesting talking to my fellow church-goers when they try to say things like "We have a duty to support people of principle." Then again, maybe God-Emperor Trump will forbid such conversations.

Bryant

Geechie

(865 posts)
15. Watching SHS
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:40 AM
May 2018

is like watching a snuff film in which the victim is the soul. Can’t stand to watch, can’t completely look away ...

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
16. excellent
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:44 AM
May 2018

a Christian living the truth. Strange in this time with KKKristians like sanders, trump, sessions et al;

Trueblue Texan

(2,430 posts)
17. Pavlovitz nailed it here:
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:54 AM
May 2018

“But for my money, that Jesus is the reason so many people want nothing to do with Christianity anymore.It’s why the Church is hemorrhaging.It’s why the pews are emptying.It’s why people run from Christians.”

That's EXACTLY why I want NOTHING to do with Christians or Christianity. I'm fed up with lying hypocrites like Trump and Sanders and all those so-called Christians that support them. Screw them.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
47. No, no, no....
Thu May 3, 2018, 04:09 AM
May 2018

christian persecution is the reason the pews are emptying. The "war on christianity and christians" is in full battle mode. We refuse to allow them to attend the church of their choice, and forbid them to wear religious icons around their necks. We also burn every copy of the Bible we come across. We're a dangerous and blood-thirsty bunch.

Not really, though. We secular humanists will compare our life-styles and choices to any so-called "christian" any day of the week. Our ability to forgive and be non-judgemental would put any so-called "christian's" ability to do the same to shame (if indeed they're capable of felling shame for their actions at all). In the Trump era, shame, personal responsibility, morals and ethics seem to have been replaced with ego, greed, pride, and a visceral hate of the poor and infirm.

Christians in the U.S. need to reboot their hard drives.

OneBro

(1,159 posts)
19. Here is the original, mic-dropping DEAR SARAH text.
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:11 AM
May 2018

And don’t miss the second article at the link titled “If Michelle Wolf Is Your Problem, You Need Better Problems.” It’s just as jaw-dropping.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
20. As always, he nails it. I've been following him on Twitter and...
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:13 AM
May 2018

reading his blog for around 2 years because he reminds me that there are still Christians out there that are truly trying to follow the basic messages of the Jesus I grew up reading and learning about in the Gospels.

He's pretty consistent and has developed an interesting and eclectic mix of followers (like me) and not just what some call 'progressive' Christians.

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
32. he hits the nail on the head so often he should be a carpenter....like someone else i can think of..
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:58 AM
May 2018

he is one of the reasons i became active in my local church again

Nitram

(22,813 posts)
22. Most excellent! Nice to hear from a Christian who actually believes in the core tenets of
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:23 AM
May 2018

Christianity.

Nitram

(22,813 posts)
49. Meanwhile Paul Ryan kicks out the chaplain to replace him with someone who preaches the "prosperity
Thu May 3, 2018, 08:14 AM
May 2018

gospel."

McKim

(2,412 posts)
23. There are Many Mainline Churches Who Believe in the Real Teachings of Jesus
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:36 AM
May 2018

Christianity isn’t all bad. There are many many mainline churches and ministers who are preaching the original teachings of Jesus. I attend the United Church of Christ where the real Jesus and his values are upheld and carried out. Don’t lump all Christians with the Evangelical types who use His name for their destructive and selfish cults.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
36. Anen the that.
Wed May 2, 2018, 01:05 PM
May 2018

I'm pretty much an agnostic at this point in my life, but there's an awful lot in the New Testament that I try and live by. Unfortunately, the area I live in doesn't have any churches that I am willing to go to. So, I just try and live my life as best I can and be the kind of person that Jesus might have characterized as 'flawed but trying'.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
43. I'm with you and all
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:59 PM
May 2018

but don't lump everyone who attends an evangelical church in the same pile. Evangelicals are a diverse group. I will allow that I'm out-numbered but I, for one, keep reminding folks of Christ's teachings. There are some few of us that are Matthew 25 Evangelicals.

catrose

(5,068 posts)
29. Gone viral?
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:48 AM
May 2018

That explains why so many trolls have descended on him. Assuming they're not Russian bots (can we?), their comments are examples of how the evilgelicals think. While I found his letter almost tenderly pastoral, they're screaming about how hateful he is.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
31. Go straight to hell for lying. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:57 AM
May 2018
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Revelation 21:8

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
48. But what about the indulgences they're buying?!?
Thu May 3, 2018, 07:11 AM
May 2018

Last edited Thu May 3, 2018, 08:42 AM - Edit history (2)

For those who didn't learn about the reason Martin Luther tacked up the 95 Theses on the church door some 500 years ago, the Catholic Church -- back then, the only game in town for Xtians -- used to sell indulgences: for a "donation," the Church would issue a pardon for some or all sins.

Isn't that what we're seeing with the current evangelical movement? As long as you tithe to whatever tent-revivalist, TV bible-thumper, or mega-church pastor, you get a clean slate. They won't go to hell because they got a receipt! And a hefty tax deduction.

 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
33. Our political struggle mirrors a religious struggle....
Wed May 2, 2018, 10:02 AM
May 2018

I disagree with the author's statement:

".... one of the few men of the cloth who interprets the New Testament in the spirit of the Christian teachings it contains."

There have been a boatload of faithful voices speaking out, generally from the Reformed traditions (but, certainly not exclusively) individuals who have been, in effect, crying in the wilderness.

For forty plus years, their congregations have been shrinking; abandoned in favor of the easy answers of fundamentalism. Anything sound familiar here?

central scrutinizer

(11,650 posts)
35. He has very good posts on grief as well
Wed May 2, 2018, 10:35 AM
May 2018

I lost Mrs. Scrutinizer 14 months ago and his writings on grief are spot on. I'm not a Christian and I appreciate that he doesn't tell a grieving person to find comfort in Jesus.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
37. I wish to gawd he HAD broken the internet with this
Wed May 2, 2018, 01:08 PM
May 2018

But this will get lost soon in the cybersphere , if not already.

Delphinus

(11,831 posts)
41. I found him
Wed May 2, 2018, 05:21 PM
May 2018

right after the 2016 election - and he speaks for me even though I am not Christian. He's great.

apkhgp

(1,068 posts)
42. The lies that people believe
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:45 PM
May 2018

Lies from people like Sanders, Kellyanne, and that whole group of fast talking con artists. They are selling their snake oil to this country one bottle at a time. One bottle for one vote. They are still calling Hillary crooked. I can not stand it anymore.


Hekate

(90,714 posts)
45. If you have not been looking for people like Pavlovitz, you will have missed them. They exist...
Wed May 2, 2018, 11:19 PM
May 2018

...and have been active all along. It's easy to google Liberal Religious Denominations -- Christian, Jewish, whatever -- and come up with a dozen right off.

But what they preach is rigorous. It's hard. It requires self-reflection and work and a certain amount of personal discomfiture.

What Joel Osteen and his ilk are peddling is snake-oil to help the self-satisfied slide through life with the assurance that their god and their jesus love them better than anyone else, and that the proof of this is their white skin and their prosperity and their opportunities and their health. Snake-oil has always been popular.

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