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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Tue May 1, 2018, 10:31 PM May 2018

Why would Dr. Bornstein have records with pseudonyms for Trump?

The NBC story that broke the news of Trump's raid on Dr. Bornstein's office mentioned this:

"Bornstein said the original and only copy of Trump's charts, including lab reports under Trump's name as well as under the pseudonyms his office used for Trump, were taken."


Why would Dr. Bornstein use fake names for Trump records?

Doctors often use pseudonyms when testing for STDs, particularly syphilis. This especially true if the patient is a celebrity, if the doctor is using an outside lab, or if there is a reporting requirement. New York mandates labs and doctors to report various communicable diseases, including syphilis.
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Why would Dr. Bornstein have records with pseudonyms for Trump? (Original Post) Julian Englis May 2018 OP
And possibly Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #1
how could he not have assorted venereal diseases? JenniferJuniper May 2018 #3
So sure. Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #7
Probably passed a few of them along, too. Buns_of_Fire May 2018 #23
may have been prescribing amphetamines or other questionable drugs. hlthe2b May 2018 #2
As soon as I heard he'd been prescribed meds for a "metabolic disorder" I thought of weight loss... Hekate May 2018 #14
Trump doesn't want anyone to know he needs double doses of Viagra. marylandblue May 2018 #4
If that were true..... SergeStorms May 2018 #10
Because Trump was serving in combat duty in Vietnam dalton99a May 2018 #5
Trump can lie.... SergeStorms May 2018 #11
Writing prescriptions for a pseudonym leads to certain loss of a DEA number and medical license. Julian Englis May 2018 #6
Maybe Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #9
IF they are caught... that isn't so easy to do until the level of prescriptions becomes pretty hlthe2b May 2018 #15
Having professionally dealt with a few mass prescribers, Bornstein seems less likely to be one to me Julian Englis May 2018 #18
I think he runs more of a "boutique" practice with relatively few, wealthy long term patients... hlthe2b May 2018 #20
Not really a high degree of paranoia Julian Englis May 2018 #21
We all know he has a high degree of paranoia.. But I'm not sure he's representative... hlthe2b May 2018 #22
Covering up serious medical problems? moondust May 2018 #8
Yes, happens all the time with high profile people. procon May 2018 #12
I visited a nursing home once GusBob May 2018 #13
Unusual choice of false names! LeftInTX May 2018 #24
Alex Altzheimer, Sammy Syphilis, Eddy Erectile-Disfunction C_U_L8R May 2018 #16
Tests for STDs? Gothmog May 2018 #17
Imma bet there were perscriptions too. Adrahil May 2018 #19
A less sinister reason is that Trump is famous mythology May 2018 #25
Persons of Great Pith and Moment Turbineguy May 2018 #26
Doesn't syphilis cause mental instability in later stages? Bayard May 2018 #27

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
7. So sure.
Tue May 1, 2018, 10:37 PM
May 2018

DUDES BEEN GOING BAREBACK SINCE STUDIO 54. I'M MORE THAN SURE THAT ONE VERSION OF HIS NDA (oh sorry), covers STDs. He's so vile. NEVER want to hear a morality lecture from a repub again. As long as I live.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,181 posts)
23. Probably passed a few of them along, too.
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:30 AM
May 2018

"But just think of the status of getting the clap from The Donald!"

Guy should have a public health warning attached to his Underoos.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
14. As soon as I heard he'd been prescribed meds for a "metabolic disorder" I thought of weight loss...
Tue May 1, 2018, 10:44 PM
May 2018

...and amphetamines, especially since he has so many symptoms, like inability to sleep normally.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
10. If that were true.....
Tue May 1, 2018, 10:41 PM
May 2018

we could all hold out hope for one of the most undesirable effects of Viagra. Heart attacks. What I mean to say is, it would be horrible if Little Donnie were to go into cardiac arrest. Yeah, that's what I really meant to say, Special Agent Mike.

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
6. Writing prescriptions for a pseudonym leads to certain loss of a DEA number and medical license.
Tue May 1, 2018, 10:36 PM
May 2018

So, unlikely to be prescriptions. More likely labs, particularly for a "celebrity" --as privacy can be raised as a justification.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
9. Maybe
Tue May 1, 2018, 10:39 PM
May 2018

have you seen this Dr.? Uh...if there ever was a multiple Rx writer....it's him. He also said pictures of dt were taken as well. Head/scalp injury.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
15. IF they are caught... that isn't so easy to do until the level of prescriptions becomes pretty
Tue May 1, 2018, 10:47 PM
May 2018

outrageous.

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
18. Having professionally dealt with a few mass prescribers, Bornstein seems less likely to be one to me
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:04 AM
May 2018

Bornstein seems less likely to be a mass prescriber to me, just based on my experience dealing with some.

I can only go into a few reasons.

If Bornstein were a Dr. Feelgood, I think someone would have already come forward. People will rat out people if it involves tRump. Look at how long it took Dr. Ronny Jackson to get outed.

Also, Bornstein would be even nuttier than he appears to be. He would have to be suicidal. If Bornstein had been handing out scripts and he then tells this story of the raid, he would be demanding to be destroyed. He knows firsthand from the raid that tRump is a vengeful monster. He might as well have asked the DEA to take his prescription pad and lock him up. He is now going to be facing scrutiny that no one who was routinely breaking the law can survive.

There are also better and easier ways of prescribing controls than using a pseudonym. (Those ways are still illegal but safer.) And keeping records associating the real patient with the pseudonym would be epic stupidity if controlled drugs were involved.

A more likely reason for prescribing to a patient using a pseudonym would be prescribing embarrassing non-controlled drugs. For example, if Bornstein prescribed Viagra, Propecia, an antidepressant, a mood stabilizer (like lithium), or even Glucophage for diabetes. This is still illegal but less likely to result in loss of a license.

Now, I'm not saying it's impossible that Dr. Bornstein prescribed using a pseudonym for prescribing controls, just less likely than the pseudonyms being used to keep embarrassing labs and tests private. Still, Dr. Bornstein could be a Dr. Feelgood, nutty as it would be. Anyone associated with tRump seems to be nuts to some extents

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
20. I think he runs more of a "boutique" practice with relatively few, wealthy long term patients...
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:09 AM
May 2018

as he acquired the practice from his father before him.

He may provide questionable pseudoname based prescriptions for a handful. That would not be likely to be discovered unless there was negative outcome. Is it possible those "questionable" prescriptions are not scheduled drugs but merely "embarrassing" meds the patient would not risk revealed.. sure. That's a pretty high degree of paranoia for something like Viagra or Propecia, but I suppose...

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
21. Not really a high degree of paranoia
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:12 AM
May 2018

tRump apparently raided his office because of the Propecia comment.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
8. Covering up serious medical problems?
Tue May 1, 2018, 10:39 PM
May 2018

Past history of STDs, erectile dysfunction, heart disease, etc. that would be an insufferable embarrassment for "Superman" Drumpf if it ever got out?

procon

(15,805 posts)
12. Yes, happens all the time with high profile people.
Tue May 1, 2018, 10:42 PM
May 2018

They use a fake name to hide their real identity for certain proceedures or lab tests that might have caused all kinds of troubles if their real name was revealed.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
13. I visited a nursing home once
Tue May 1, 2018, 10:43 PM
May 2018

The residents names were on the doors. While searching for a person. I saw the names Homer Simpson and Fred Flintstone

So I asked the nurse, she said that there was a federal prison nearby, and those patients were well known criminals! Sure enough, I peaked in a room and saw an armed guard.

I don't think they were a danger to other residents. I asked a cop friend, he said that prison had a lot of mobsters. They probably were given false names to protect them

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
19. Imma bet there were perscriptions too.
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:07 AM
May 2018

John Barron and John Miller were naughty boys.

I bet there is some intense dirt there.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
25. A less sinister reason is that Trump is famous
Wed May 2, 2018, 01:17 PM
May 2018

Sometimes people will leak famous people's medical records. For example George Clooney had his medical records leaked a few years ago. 27 people got suspended.

Turbineguy

(37,342 posts)
26. Persons of Great Pith and Moment
Wed May 2, 2018, 01:26 PM
May 2018

often travel using pseudonyms.

With trump, it gets turned around. If you travel using a pseudonym, you must be a person of pith and moment.

Bayard

(22,099 posts)
27. Doesn't syphilis cause mental instability in later stages?
Wed May 2, 2018, 01:39 PM
May 2018

Hmmmm....... that might be the answer to a lot of questions.

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