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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFerchrissakes, lay off that Wolf woman, wouldya...
Every year at these things we hear from the depths of high dudgeon of how "inappropriate" the remarks were.
Strike a blow for equality when you talk about how women shouldn't say some things that men say all the time. Double the blow when she can't talk about Sarah Huckster's bad makeup and permanent scowl right after talking about McConnel's chin.
Everything she said was said a dozen times a day here, or on Trevor's TV show, but this time it's disgusting and horrible?
Lighten up-- she's a comic, and like with every comic you laugh at the stuff you think is funny and then move on.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Her voice was a little annoying, but I didn't really have any problem with her material.
thbobby
(1,474 posts)She was vulgar. And I applaud her. trump will let it get to him. And so will other deplorables. Michelle Wolf is a comedian, not the president. trump is vile. Avenatti hits him where it hurts. Michelle did also. I am interested to see how trump responds. He may, OH MY GOD!, tweet at her. That'll learn her.
kentuck
(111,106 posts)...or he will say that he was unable to see it, since he was at a very huge crowd out in Michigan. It was great. They want us to build the wall...and ..blah...blah...
lunatica
(53,410 posts)When he things his rage tweets or statements make him look ridiculous he always pretends hes having a great time.
Its all an act. All of it.
Jane Austin
(9,199 posts)Michelle Wolf makes me laugh out loud!
Susan Calvin
(1,647 posts)Just sent a link to another old lady.
MaryMagdaline
(6,855 posts)Maraya1969
(22,489 posts)People didn't drag on Colbert though.
Only if it is a woman, and maybe a black woman, (not sure)
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,615 posts)a kennedy
(29,690 posts)be it a man or woman, well ok then she was not funny tonight, JMHO.
BigmanPigman
(51,615 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,420 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,530 posts)She said herself "you should have researched me a little more before you asked me to do this..."
If journalists can't hear the naked truth with a comic twist, I fear for humanity.
Mike Pence is what you get when Anderson Cooper isn't gay.
pnwmom
(108,988 posts)from movie reviews of Chappaquiddick. I really didn't appreciate that "joke."
Ted Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident. A Grand Jury was convened and the judge thought Kennedy might have been guilty of negligent driving, but the Grand Jury issued no indictment.
P.S. She didn't call any Republicans that name.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)"The fact is that we would have had comprehensive health care now, had it not been for Ted Kennedy's deliberately blocking the legislation that I proposed," he tells Stahl. "It was his fault. Ted Kennedy killed the bill," says Carter. And Kennedy, who then ran against the president for the democratic presidential nomination, did it out of spite says Carter. "He did not want to see me have a major success in that realm of life," he tells Stahl."
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2010/09/16/129913094/jimmy-carter-blames-ted-kennedy-for-killing-earlier-health-overhaul
Ted ran against a sitting President from his own party, taking it to the convention despite the fact he had zero chance of getting the nomination, thus weakening Carter in the general election and helping usher in 8 years of fucking Reagan.
Yay 'more liberal than thou' Ted!
He deserves all the jokes thrown at him.
pnwmom
(108,988 posts)but, no, Ted Kennedy didn't murder healthcare. Carter, a moderate, wanted a "low cost free market" solution to healthcare -- a plan weaker than Obamacare. Kennedy, a strong liberal, wanted a single payer compulsory program. But Carter's lackluster performance in his single term allowed Reagan to get elected and we ended up with nothing.
And now, in 2017, Carter finally supports Kennedy-style healthcare reform. (See the second article below)
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/131473
by Timothy Stanley
Timothy Stanley is Leverhulme Research Fellow, Royal Holloway College, University of London, and author of Kennedy vs. Carter: The 1980 Battle for the Democratic Partys Soul (Kansas, 2010).
In an interview on CBS that aired on Sunday, President Jimmy Carter claimed that Senator Edward Kennedy deprived the nation of comprehensive healthcare by sabotaging a bill his administration floated in 1978. The charge is nothing newCarter made it in his memoirs Keeping Faith thirty years ago. It has contemporary relevance, though, because Carter implies that U.S. liberals are their own worst enemy. Kennedy was driven, he said, by a mix of issue militancy and spite: the senator did not want to see me have a major success in that realm of life. Had Ted Kennedy been less petty and more practical, concludes Carter, we could have comprehensive healthcare by now. The lesson for latter-day liberals: shut up and get behind President Obamas healthcare proposals.
But the story of the failure of the 1978 bill is more complex than that. Carter should take some of the blame for floating an anemic piece of legislation that, arguably, would have done more harm than good to the cause of healthcare reform. Kennedys opposition was principled and rational, and he wasnt just speaking for himself. One interesting difference between then and now is that in the 1970s, the demand for healthcare reform was tied to a genuine mass movement. Kennedy was just its figurehead and Carter overestimates the senators influence. Liberalism had more political clout back then, and liberals had enough confidence in their ideas to think they would outlive Carters moderate administration. They were wrong, but their miscalculation was understandable.
Throughout the 1970s, Ted Kennedy campaigned for comprehensive national health insurance (NHI)a single payer, compulsory system open to all. It was much like the public option touted by liberals in 2009-10. Kennedys backing was personal: he saw healthcare reform as his contribution to his familys legacy. Medical treatment was a civil right. Kennedy often pointed out that We are the only industrialized nation in the world outside [apartheid] South Africa that does not have universal, comprehensive healthcare insurance. And here, as well as in South Africa, black people are sick twice as often; they receive less care; they die younger; and sooner.
But the NHI proposal did not start or end with Ted Kennedy. The multi-million member Campaign for National Health Insurance (CNHI) was bankrolled by the AFL-CIO and managed by the United Auto Workers union. So convinced was labor of the popularity of reform that they refused to endorse any healthcare package other than NHI. In 1975, Kennedy pulled out of negotiations with Gerald Ford over a compromise bill because the CNHI denounced it. Polls showed that the Democrats would recapture the presidency in 1976, so why, they asked, accept a tepid Republican offer? Wait a year or so and the Democrats could put together their own. The CNHI didnt count on Jimmy Carter being the nominee.
As a presidential candidate in 1976, Carter equivocated on NHI. In truth, this Southern moderate never liked the idea. A proto-Clinton, he preferred low-cost free-market solutions to public ills. Nonetheless, in order to win over the money and manpower of the UAW, Carter endorsed NHI. After his election, he put Great Society architect Joseph Califano (head of Health Education and Welfare) in charge of drawing up legislation. The UAW met with Califano and was shocked when he told them not to expect the support of the president for reform. He eventually quit his job in frustration at stonewalling by Carter.
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https://www.thenation.com/article/jimmy-carter-calls-for-single-payer/
Jimmy Carter has always been a good man. But he only became a liberal icon during a post-presidency that saw the Democratic Party move steadily right on a host of fundamental issues on which the party once led. Remember that Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy and California Governor Jerry Brown challenged Carter in the 1980 Democratic primaries because they believed that Carter was too cautious on those issuesincluding health-care reform.
To be clear, even when he served as a moderate Democratic president, Carter was more progressive on many issues than a good number of todays Democratic leaders. The 39th president argued in 1980 for enactment of an affordable national health plan that will improve Medicare for the elderly, extend protection against catastrophic medical expenses to all of us, improve health coverage for the poor, and provide special benefits to expectant mothers and children in the first years of life.
But Kennedy and others wanted Carter to go further and faster. Now Carter is there.
Last Sunday, he spoke about the inevitability of a single-payer health-care system. Carter is not some radical change agent but rather a practical political thinker who sees both the logic and the necessity of a Medicare for All response to the health-care challenges that America faces today and that Republicans are determined to make dramatically worse in the future.
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