Joy Reid apologizes and says experts haven't proven she was hacked

[oberliner]

Joy Reid opened her show on MSNBC Saturday with a mea culpa about past homophobic remarks and admitted cybersecurity experts haven't been able to prove her former blog was hacked.

Reid reiterated claims that she was not the author of homophobic posts that were recently surfaced from a blog she ran in the 2000s. But she acknowledged making past comments that have been described as homophobic.

"Many of you have seen these blog posts circulating online and on social media. Many of them are homophobic, discriminatory and outright weird and hateful," she said at the open of her weekend show, "AM Joy."

"I spent a lot of time trying to make sense of these posts. I hired cybersecurity experts to see if somebody had manipulated my words or my former blog, and the reality is they have not been able to prove it."

http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/28/media/joy-reid-am-joy-apology/index.html

[Kingofalldems]

1. So here we go again eh?

This subject is over.

[oberliner]

6. Being obsessed with the truth is a good thing

Of course she should be forgiven for her past statements.

But should her claims of being hacked just be ignored?

[janterry]

29. No, I don't think those claims should be ignored.

I will not forget them, when I think of her.

[hlthe2b]

26. Will no one think of all the scavenger species?

That severely beaten and very dead horse carcass should finally be put to rest...

[Kingofalldems]

28. At least 50-75 posts on this one subject in the last few days.

[bettyellen]

2. What a way to obliterate her heartfelt apology. Quite an agenda there.

[oberliner]

5. This a pretty good distillation of why this Joy Reid stuff really matters

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[George II]

37. Louis Peitzman:

His own twitter profile: "Staff writer for http://TV.com"

Click on HIS link to tv.com:

http://www.tv.com/news/author.html?author_id=120

"404 Sorry, this page does not exist. While you're here, take a look at some of the top shows on TV.COM"

[oberliner]

46. Where do you see that on his twitter profile?

Here's what it says:

All your checks bounce, Louis; you’re ambivalent about everything. Deputy Editor of Arts & Entertainment at BuzzFeed News. [e-mail]

New York, NY
louispeitzman.com
Joined February 2009
Born on September 27

[Docreed2003]

12. Some folks seem to love the tearing down of liberals like Reid and Franken

It's an interesting pattern

[oberliner]

18. Reid said her blog was hacked - and is still saying she does not believe she wrote those posts

That claim should just be ignored?

[Docreed2003]

23. Why not allow the truth to play out before throwing her under the bus?

Especially considering the source of these attacks!

[oberliner]

24. I don't believe she should be thrown under a bus - I like her show and hope she stays on

I do think that she is sticking to a claim that seems pretty dubious and I think it is reasonable to raise that topic.

[Demsrule86]

90. Really? You think post like this will help her 'stay on'?

[oberliner]

97. I don't think this post will impact her staying on the air one way or another

There is nothing wrong with occasionally being critical of people we admire when we think they may have erred.

[Kingofalldems]

106. Occasionally?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Yes, Joy's claims that she was hacked have not been disproved or proved.

So, no reason to assume the worst.

[94Mountaineer]

36. Then why apologize?

If she was hacked or believes she didn’t write them, why apologize?
How can one apologize for something they don’t think they did?

[Cha]

47. Because.. she had other posts that she apologized for..

[94Mountaineer]

53. The ones she admitted making, previously ?

These are ones she says she didn’t make.
If she doesn’t believe she made the new ones, what is there to apologize for?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

104. There would be nothing to apologize for... I think Joy was apologizing just in case

it turns out the evidence shows she wasn't hacked as she first claimed and forgot she had written the newly discovered homophobic comments. Smart move on her part to cover all the bases.

[94Mountaineer]

108. I'm sorry for the words I deny writing

Just in case someone proves I wrote them.

It’s disappointing

[oberliner]

48. She said that cybersecurity experts have been examining the claim since December

And have been unable to provide proof of a hack.

[94Mountaineer]

57. But she says she doesn't believe the words are her own?

Why apologize if she doesn’t believe there’s anything she needs to apologize for?

She took responsibility for the stuff in December and apologized.
This time she’s apologizing without taking responsibility.

[marble falls]

95. Apologizing makes her seem guilty? Not to me. I think she's trying to make it clear.....

She's not anti-LGBT. And I believe her. And even if she were at some point in the past (and I don't believe she was), she isn't now.

[94Mountaineer]

101. Guilty? No. I just don't see the point in her apologizing for something

where she claims no responsibility.
If she’s not responsible for those comments, why apologize for them?
She’s made it clear through her actions she’s not anti LGBT

[marble falls]

103. She's putting oil on the water. She's not striking back, she's not putting gas on the fire....

She's acting with grace in a difficult situation where some want to ruin her over isolated comments from 10 years ago.

Would you really want to have all your comments on line revealed. I know I don't.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

105. I think it's a good move on Joy's part to apologize anyway, even without necessarily

taking full responsibility for any homophobic comments of hers that were recently discovered, in case the evidence shows she wasn't hacked as she initially claimed and she simply doesn't remember making those comments.

Besides, it was 10 years ago and people have already forgiven Joy when she first apologized. It WOULD bother me if it can be convincingly shown she lied about the hacking, so as to avoid taking responsibility... but, given the circumstances, and her more recent record on LGBTQ+ issues, I don't see why she shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Unless some new decisive facts come out, I think it's time to move on and unite in continuing to confront the enemy, in anticipation of the 2018 midterms and beyond.

[94Mountaineer]

107. Her actions are what matters but

How sincere can an apology be when someone won’t take responsibility for what prompted the apology?
You don’t apologize just in case someone proves your first explanation was a lie.

It’s over but I’m disappointed

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

109. TBH, I'm a little disappointed too, the same way I was with Al Franken's misconduct...

but, like with Al, who took responsibility, apologized and asked for an investigation, we shouldn't be jumping to any conclusions and should give people the benefit of the doubt, unless and until facts negatively change.

[94Mountaineer]

110. I'm not disappointed for what someone said

In the past when they’ve shown growth and reject those old beliefs. I’m disappointed when they won’t take ownership of the old beliefs.

Don’t tell me “I didn’t say X but if you prove I said X, I’m sorry”

Take ownership.

But it’s over. Life moves on

[Docreed2003]

87. Agreed...

Yet, some folks seem to enjoy tearing down one of our own, such as Franken, in the name of "truth", no matter the damage.

[JCanete]

22. What the post does most effectively is not to evicerate Joy, who I think gave a fair explaination

for why she jumped to the conclusion she did in a panicked moment, but the ridiculous bandwagon of DU postings here that automatically accepted that answer as truth of what must have happened. The total lack of circumspection here should be astonishing, but unfortunately I can't be surprised anymore.

[George II]

38. As opposed to the "bandwagon of DU posting here that automatically" condemn her before...

...the full truth has been determined?

[oberliner]

49. At what point will the full truth be determined?

[George II]

50. When it is determined. No sooner, no later.

[oberliner]

52. "I hired cybersecurity experts to see if somebody had manipulated my words or my former blog...

and the reality is they have not been able to prove it."

That's from her statement on her show today.

[George II]

56. Did she say they were finished? What's your beef with Joy Anne Reid?

[oberliner]

59. I have no beef with her - but consider what would Joy Reid say

If some other media personality's old blog posts became public and they contained homophobic content and said media personality claimed that those posts were hacked and they didn't actually write them but could provide no evidence of any hacking.

Don't you think she would be dubious of such claims (and rightfully so)?

It takes a pretty gargantuan leap of faith to accept the hacking explanation with zero evidence. Also she has admitted to other homophobic and transphobic blog posts at around that same time period.

[George II]

63. Why don't you ask her instead of speculating?

[JCanete]

86. no, but there is a huge difference between adopting an outlandish(though possible)

narrative as THE truth, and not waiting for the jury before condemning her based upon the evidence that exists. I don't agree with doing the latter. I understand that some people's knowledge of the internet and way way back machine, etc. might have given them the confidence to do so, but its not a confidence I have, and I see no reason to rush to conviction over these matters. And some people may indeed have enough of an axe to grind that they are pounding this story beyond its merits and vilifying Joy far beyond what she deserves, but none of that would be as embarrassing as the former. It would be mean spirited and cynical, but it wouldn't be the same ridiculously far-fetched leap of faith that many people took without a glance downward.

but regardless, it seems like Joy has done more work on addressing her past and I think that if ultimately, she can be, or has been, forgiven by the LGBQT community at large, there's nothing more to see there. What happens here is what bothers me, and yes, it also bothers me when people call for her head.

[George II]

100. That's a great perspective and commentary on this subject, thanks.

“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

I try to live by that.

[m-lekktor]

30. ya know, as a gay man myself I might have issues with what went down.

and i think i have a right to take issue and talk about it. Not everything is an "AGENDA". Right wingers always used to accuse me of having "an agenda" a gay agenda. Not everything is a big conspiracy to bring somebody down. Sometimes it is actually SINCERE. I have been told DU has a history of telling the LGBT community to get over it and shut up..I guess it continues. That's nice if other gays don't care ,not all of us can do that. I mean some gays support Trump for fuck sake, we are all different.

And yeah, I would give a heartfealt apology too if my job that pays millions might be at stake. That all being said, I don't care anymore. It is just sad to see people with concerns being ganged up and bullied about it and accused of things.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. Thanks for your deeply honest post... I would have felt better if Joy had

started by saying she didn't remember writiing the newly discovered offensive posts and, therefore, there's a chance they could have been hacked, rather than positively asserting that it was the case. It's still not clear to me whether or not it was a hack job.

[Exotica]

71. Once this DU post came to light, it was pretty obvious that there was no hack

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x48020





It is a same day post (within 3 hours) of her blog post. This is also one of the posts that Joy said was "fake", that its was from a hack.

Look at the dates of her blog entry and then when Ian David posted it on DU. Same day, and his post was at 2:18 PM in the afternoon

Ian Davids time stamp on DU

Tue Feb-06-07 02:18 PM
Original message




now


here is the timestamp from Joy's Blog post

posted by jreid at 11:08 am





3 hours difference same day


Joy's Blog was a small local South Florida operation back then. This is 7 plus years before she went national on MSNBC (in 2014)

many of her articles got no comments back then


She didn't even write that many a day, she certainly would have noticed when she looked at her page if some had added a totally bogus big post, it wasn't like she was pumping up dozens of posts a day


here is an archive of that exact blog entry

compare it to one that Ian David posted on DU 3 hours later, same day Feb 6, 2007.

THEY MATCH exactly

https://archive.is/pMYl8

That archive page ignores robots.txt script blocking that Reid's tean put up after the December drama, the one where she admitted she made the posts.Her team tried to then get Internet Archive to remove all her archives, and they refused, so she then has her tech team put up the blocking scripts from her end.

But there are many archive sites out there, such as this one I posted. If you wanted to put up a fake page years after the fact, you would have to go in to hundreds of different URL's real time, hack the servers and carefully enter in the exact same thing every time, AND hack EVERY board or news article or any other site that posted you entry. You would NEVER be able to find them all.

If someone had done it real time in the beginning of 2007 (and again the number of people who followed a local Florida blog was microscopic compared to her followers now), she would have instantly noticed as it is HER BLOG and she would see the bogus post the next time she looked at it her website. Not only that but there are MULTIPLE posts from back then that contain causal homophobia. And the only way they could have been hacked is back in 2007 etc, whenever they where posted, as she would have seen them every time she looked at her own site.

That is why the DU post and its timestamp PROVES no hack, as it shows within 3 hours the same thing as the actual blog, a blog that was not visited much nor had a lot of posts (in the grand scheme of the internet).

screenshot made by the archive

https://archive.is/pMYl8/image

and my own snapshots from the archive at https://archive.is/pMYl8

I had to make multiple screenshots because she added all sorts of media that is now dead links, as it is from 2007. It will not fit all on just one screen. The now dead links are another massive sign that it is real, as if it was hacked recently, those links would be impossible to find.


look at the entire thing https://archive.is/pMYl8

here are snaps










here are all the archives that that archive site took of her blog

you can see for yourself all I have stated is factual

that DU post made 3 hours later, same day, is a big nail nail in the coffin so to speak


https://archive.is/blog.reidreport.com


Now, this all said, I truly believe she has evolved and I, as a LGBTQ woman of colour, accept her apology. I think she is a vital ally and source to fight RW scum like Trump. She also isnt afraid to call out Dems when they vote for RW shit like that horrid repeal of key parts of Dodd-Frank and hold people like Bernie Sanders accountable.

But I do think she made a big mistake by not just doing exactly what she did in December, just admit she made mistakes long ago, apologise again, and move on. It all would have blown over. BUT, now that she has thrown up this ludicrous (IMHO) and ever-changing (first she said Internet Archive was hacked, they said no, so then she said it happened on HER servers, then changed it to screen shots were fake, now she admits she cannot find any evidence of hacking at all) story of "hacks" etc, and has gotten the biggest names in the US media (NYT, WaPo, dozens of others, etc etc etc) to basically completely be either hyper sceptical or flat out say it isn't true, she has made it a lot tougher on herself and has hurt her credibility. Hopefully she can recover.

[oberliner]

73. Thanks for sharing that

I hope everyone reads this post. I agree with everything you've written.

[Exotica]

75. I finally made my mind up tonight when she said she couldn't find any evidence of hacks

I am not happy at all. She is a valuable ally and this may well and truly hurt her cred (the hacking story) What a mess

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. Me too... just wish Joy had lumped the later-discovered blog comments with the earlier ones and

made all the statements she's making now, so as not to make it even remotely seem as if she might not have been totally forthcoming (NOT my contention... hard to tell).

[Exotica]

80. TBH, as a person of colour and a lesbian, I well and truly am so used to casual (or not so casual)

homophobia coming from my community. I grew up in London, am half West Indian, and unfortunately West Indians are oft-times amongst the most virulent homophobes. Sodomy is still against the law on some islands (or was up until very recently), and in Jamaica being a gay man is super shite still.

It is getting better, and I have personally talked many fellow Westies and also Africans (another group who can be viscous in anti-LGBTQ hatred) into looking again at their prejudice.

When the story about Reid first came out in December, I really didn't give a toss. If she had just done the same this time, I would have TOTALLY said, all good.

But much like many others, it is not the "crime" that get's you laid low, it is a shoddy attempt to cover up. Again, it is a damn shame, and hopefully she survives this.

The RW scum will POUND now, and probably all Joy's enemies on the regressive left too. Fuck 'em all.

Fingers crossed for a good outcome.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

82. I think you pretty much summed up my feelings on this topic as well.

[TheDormouse]

111. Great summary, Exotica

[bettyellen]

60. Sorry but the OP is heavily edited to omit anything positive about Joy - so I feel it's a hit job in

That it is half the story. I’m not telling anyone- including you- what to think or feel about the entire situation.
What I’m saying is that this OP is manipulative, and I don’t appreciate seeing that.

[oberliner]

74. The OP is the first four paragraphs of a CNN story

Nothing was edited.

[OldHippieChick]

3. Bless your heart

[LexVegas]

4. Salty, huh? nt

[oberliner]

7. Many of us are still clinging to the belief that facts matter.

[peabody]

10. Good grief.

Get some perspective!

[oberliner]

14. I was quoting the tweet I posted above from Louis Peitzman

One of the editors at Buzzfeed. I think he makes reasonable points. If the hacking claim turns out to have been false, that should be at least noted, if nothing else.

[George II]

39. Then why not wait until ALL facts that matter are determined? You've come to the conclusion....

....that this whole affair has been fully investigated and all the facts are known. I'm afraid we're far from that.

[Cha]

51. yeah, facts matter.. but metaphorically

hitting someone over their head without all the facts says everything about you and nothing about Joy Reid.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[oberliner]

54. I agree that her apology for her past statements was heartfelt

And I think it's great that she is addressing her past views and how they may have been hurtful to people. Doing a show about the impact of homophobic and transphobic comments was important and I'm glad she did that.

The only thing I have any issue with is that she is still asserting that she did not write the other homophobic blog posts and is still claiming that she was hacked, even when saying that her cybersecurity experts have been investigating this since December and are unable to show that any hacking took place.

[NCTraveler]

64. Sometimes people forget.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10545856

[oberliner]

68. That would have been a reasonable statement

Something like, "I do not remember writing those blog posts, and it's hard to believe that I did, but I want to state that those posts do not in any way represent my current views and I apologize to the pain they may have caused anyone."

Instead of claiming to have been hacked and continuing to maintain and assert that those posts were written by someone else.

[NCTraveler]

85. I don't disagree.

It just seems at this point to be covered. Seems it has established among many that she is solid today.

There is no mountain.

[TheDormouse]

112. Agreed. That was a non-apology apology.

The kind of casual homophobia and other -isms displayed in those posts were commonplace among progressives just a few years ago.

She should have just said that her views have changed for the better. That would have ended the discussion.

Instead, she seems to have concocted a ridiculous story to try to cover up something she now finds embarrassing.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

83. That's a fair way to look at it... doesn't make you a bad person.

[herding cats]

65. You sound angry.

Why?

What do you have invested in this? Don't give me the lame "facts" BS. I don't buy it, like the majority here. Come clean and be honest with us. What's driving you here?

I want some real, believable openness from you to explain your angle. Something I can't dispute in light of all your other posts I've searched and read today.

I admit, I didn't know who you were before but now I find you interesting after reading through your history here. You're consistently negative and bask in controversial issues. Do you care to expound on why that is?

[oberliner]

72. Not angry at all - just surprised and frustrated with some of the responses

It seems a no brainer to me so I don't get why people are responding the way that they are.

Her claim of her blog being hacked is dubious. That so many people have such a problem with this simple, and seemingly obvious assertion is mystifying to me.

The posts of mine that seem to generate the most attention tend to be the ones that go against the grain a little, so I guess that's why those are the ones that end up in an extended back and forth with those whom I disagree.

I do try to post about the moronic tweets that Trump puts out - but since we all agree he is a moron, they don't tend to generate much of a response.

[herding cats]

77. I've not a clue which posts of yours you think generates attention.

As I said, I never noticed you before. I looked into your history and noticed you're consistently negative and bask in controversial topics.

I'm asking why that is? You're dodging my question.

[oberliner]

88. My theory is that the negative/controversial posts are the more prominent ones

Since they tend to lead to more discussion and end up showing up when someone "looks into my history" for some reason.

Discussion forums are good places to discuss things would be my response, I guess. Especially a place like DU which is filled with smart, thoughtful Democrats.

[Demsrule86]

91. Especially facts that hurt our side and cause division.

[oberliner]

96. I would say even facts that might hurt our side (rather than especially)

There is no need for said facts to cause any division.

We can tell Joy how much we admire her and also that we hope she steps away from her dubious hacking claims.

[mcar]

8. Again with this?

[oberliner]

17. CNN published this article a few hours ago

Should her claims of her blog being hacked just be ignored by news outlets?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. It a fair issue as Joy made it one... it's just that there's no proof that what she said was a lie.

[oberliner]

45. But she has said that there is no evidence to support her claim

She said that she has had cybersecurity experts investigating this since December and they are unable to corroborate the claim.

Since she is admitting having written some of the blog posts (and tweets) that she now apologizes for due to their homophobic and/or transphobic content, it seems like an opportunity to acknowledge and take responsibility for the other blog posts also, give that there is no evidence that they were hacked.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

84. Had Joy done that from the beginning, no doubt this whole thing would've blown over in 1 or 2 days.

[stonecutter357]

9. Franken 2020 !

[XRubicon]

11. +1

[oberliner]

15. He'd get my support

[Exotica]

81. Count me IN!!!!!

[TheSmarterDog]

13. I would expect that a humble sojourner for truth

Would humbly accept her humble apology.

[oberliner]

16. She is still saying she doesn't believe she wrote those blog posts

And is still only apologizing for the Ann Coulter tweets.

If she had said, I guess I have to face the fact that even though I have no memory of writing those things, I have come to realize that I was not hacked, and I must have written those words. They do not represent who I am today.

Instead she is still saying she doesn't think she wrote them.

Does the truth of that claim not matter?

[TheSmarterDog]

19. So, truth isn't you objective.

Noted.

[oberliner]

20. Truth is my only objective

Is it true that her blog was hacked and she did not write any of those posts?

That's it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. That's not been made clear... but, given that Joy does not remember

writiing the offensive posts, apparently, whether it was a hack job or not has become irrelevant.

[oberliner]

44. So the truth of whether or not her blog was hacked is irrelevant?

That's where I would respectfully disagree with you.

[Demsrule86]

92. It is yet to be determined if it was hacked or not...thus your post assumes guilt.

And I have wonder why.

[oberliner]

94. Joy Reid said that she hired cybersecurity experts in Dec. to see if someone hacked her blog

And she said that they have not been able to show that anyone has done so.

I would also encourage you to read this:

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10553151

Is that not persuasive to you?

[Demsrule86]

113. I did read it and heard it on TV...and there are reports she was hacked...and it is not complete yet

but here is the situation...I would not want her gone one either way...she is a voice for our side ...and a strong Black woman ...very effective which is why the Beacon attempted to take her down...Black women are an important constituency in our party and as a person who evolved on this issue...I don't give a damn...won't joint the right wing for any reason...certainly what is an obvious take down effort...the far left and the far right can have it...I won't be a part of it...

[Kingofalldems]

21. Speaking of posting things and then deleting........

[oberliner]

25. I self-deleted numerous posts (there was no hacking)

[SunSeeker]

27. LOL

[George II]

40. bwahahahahaha!!!!

[KTM]

42. Thats completety out of line.

If you were being suddenly alert stalked and swarmed for politely disagreeing with the general consensus, you might have to cautiously and regrettably do the same. I have seen many other posters do this, and even though I often vehemently disagree with them as well, it is a sad thing to see. It is literal self-censorship out of fear of a mob mentality, and people on both sides of our lefty divide here have felt and reacted to that fear. We should be collectively ashamed that anyone here is made to feel that way.

I have disagreed with this poster many, many times - but the brazen attempts to silence their voice are disgusting. We dont win arguments by silencing our opponents, or by censoring their thoughts from public view - we win them by countering with our own better arguments.

I saw every one of the posts that were deleted, and none had any cause to be... thats the effect of our new eggshell climate and thought police. It often seems in many ways that this place no longer tolerates dissent - its really saddening to see what we have become.

[Cha]

55. Right.. Good to hear that.. don't win agruments by censoring news on

certain politicians, either.

[ehrnst]

114. +1000. (nt)

[oberliner]

62. Thanks for that

[leftstreet]

66. +1

[TheBlackAdder]

76. I add them to my Jury Blacklist so they can not decide my fate on posts. There's only a few doing it

[ehrnst]

115. You seem to see "stalkers" everywhere.

More than most.

[Pathwalker]

33. I trashed your anti Franken screeds, and I'm now trashing

your anti Joy screeds. Eventually you'll go on to trash another progressive you consider unworthy.

[George II]

41. Thank you.

[oberliner]

43. Joy Reid is amazing - I love her show and think she is a great voice for progressives

I also admire Al Franken a lot - his work in the Senate was phenomenal and I did not think he should've resigned.

With respect to Joy Reid, I think her claim that her blog was hacked is a dubious one. That's it.

[bigtree]

58. this is the last straw for me. You're trolling us.

...'oberliner' blocked.

[oberliner]

61. This is an article at CNN

Has the whole world gone mad?

[peabody]

67. You seem to be.

Most of us realize how strong of a progressive voice she is, accepted her apology, and moved on. You seem to be stuck harping on this over and over and over. At this point Joy isn't the problem but purists like you are what's keep us mired in this issue.

[Cha]

69. Well said, peabody.

Link to tweet

[oberliner]

70. The CNN article is reasonable and makes good points

That so many people here are so defensive about it is strange to me.

If you want to say that it doesn't matter whether or not she is being truthful about being hacked, then OK. I would respectfully disagree and say that it does matter.

Her apologizing for some posts but still asserting that others were the result of a hack and not her words seems an odd position to take.

I like her show - she has been great on MSNBC. Her apology for past comments was heartfelt. The show today was good.

My only issue is with her continued assertion that she didn't write most of the homophobic posts even though they appeared on her blog under her name.

[Demsrule86]

93. more division always...

[ismnotwasm]

79. Jesus

I confess; I don’t watch or listen to Reid, Maddow or anybody else, although I selectively read what they have to say. I like to follow trends and responses to trends. Right now, I am following GBLTQ voices on this, African American voices on this, and those who are both and here is what I’m seeing; The GBLTQ community seems largely forgiving with the likes of say, Dan Savage tweeting out this.

Link to tweet

?s=21

The Black community is very, very supportive of her.

So while I understand that nothing is universal and no one is required to accept Joys apology, I will say the loudest shitstirring seem to be by the cis straight white anti-Democratic left, and of course the rightwing—not that they care about GBLTQ issues, they just care about stirring shit.

[Demsrule86]

89. This again? I don't believe I have ever seen you post anything that can be considered to help our

side. I love Joy and don't understand the motivation for these posts.

[oberliner]

98. With all due respect, that is a ridiculous assertion

In any case, I respect your view of Joy - she is great.

That said, I don't know why she cannot let go of the idea that her blog was hacked when it really seems extremely unlikely. It should be OK to at least discuss that here.

[Nanjeanne]

99. I believe Joy has evolved. I have no problem with accepting that. What I dont

accept is the bull about the hack. She is a journalist on tv with two shows and countless panel appearances as a journalist. She is not my friend, my mother, my neighbor. As a journalist I think truthfulness matters. I hate that MSNBC gave Brian Williams a platform. And I do not accept Joy’s initial go-to being hacking. It is the newest craze and sorry — I blame Russian involvement for lots of things. Not this. Joy to me is sorry she wrote those awful blogs and is now a supporter of a community she once made fun of. That’s great. Good for her. As a journalist, nope not on her team. But then I didn’t like her in 2008 when she was horrible about Clinton in her support of Obama. In 2016 I didn’t like how horrible she was about Sanders, who she previously liked so much, in support of Clinton. So I’m sure my feelings about her less than truthfulness about the “hacking” are colored by those other “evolving times”.

[PubliusEnigma]

102. Obsession by Oberliner