***BREAKING*** CNN : Ronny Jackson gave Z packs without examining the patient

[DemocratSinceBirth]

SMDH

[hlthe2b]

1. Antibiotics for those not aware (azithromycin)... Not smart but less trouble for him than scheduled

drugs... His free and excessive passing out of Ambien and Provigil are more likely to get him in big trouble..

[Hortensis]

29. For sure! Our physicians have rxd antibiotics

with nothing more than a phone call when requiring us to come in would have been most useful for generating an ass-covering office note and an office visit bill.

[jcgoldie]

2. meh

Its antibiotics, big deal. Can get Z-packs at any corner pharmacy in Mexico with no prescription, should be that way here.

[hlthe2b]

4. No

Antibiotic resistance is bad enough without that...

[jcgoldie]

9. Uh oh...

I better toss out my Fish-Mox!

[Calista241]

15. Depends on when he gave them out.

We've just learned about antibiotics resistance in the last 10 years or so. Prior to that, anything could've happened.

[hlthe2b]

16. I was responding to the poster's suggestions that antibiotics should be freely available @ drugstore

sans prescription as in Mexico. NO, we have enough antibiotic abuse and subsequent resistance as it is.

[csziggy]

21. No, doctors have known about antibiotic resistance for decades

For over 45 years I have had an infection in my left hand that recurs periodically. My old doctor thought it was an antibiotic resistant staph or strep. So whenever it flared up, he would give me samples of the newest antibiotics to try to knock it out.

When my old doctor retired my new doctor realized that it was not a bacterial infection. Instead it is a herpes zoster infection that lives in the nerves. No wonder the antibacterials never worked! Now as soon as I feel the tingle in the nerves indicating a flare up is coming, I take an antiviral. Works like a charm.

Knowledge of antibacterial resistance has been known for many years prior to my original infection. The problem is that we are running out of new antibacterials to throw at the resistant strains so it is much more serious than was thought all those years back.

[Ninsianna]

23. we've known about it for far longer.

[Aristus]

6. No, it shouldn't.

Excessive prescription and treatment with antibiotics, expecially when they are not indicated (i.e. viral infections, fungal, etc.) contribute to antibiotic resistance, an alarming and growing problem in the medical care field.

If patients were left to themselves, they would treat every little sniffle with antibiotics. I get requests for antibiotics from patients with viral infections all the time. I set them straight pretty quickly.

I have zero respect for any medical provider, MD, PA, or ARNP, who throws antimicrobials at every patient who walks in the door.

[LeftInTX]

13. I'm one of those people who always needs the antibiotics, (cold, trachyitis, bronchitis, pneumonia)

in that order.

However, over the last several years, they have been giving me steroids and other meds along with the antibiotics. Because of the other meds, I have been able to hold off on office visits by a day or so. I now usually only need one course of antibiotics instead of two.

[Drahthaardogs]

14. We now have doctor's precribing wheezing kids Prednisone

In case it's "viral"

Fucking insane. Yes, let's give out a drog that stints their growth permanently FIRST, and then if that doesn't clear it up, we'll try some amoxicillin.

The medical world is insane

[hlthe2b]

18. Exactly..

[csziggy]

22. I worry we will get that way with antivirals

When I had the flu in February everybody asked if I had gone to the doctor for an antiviral. No, I just dealt with it until the point when the flu symptoms were over and I was feeling congestion in my lungs that indicated a possible bacterial infection. Then I went to the doctor and got an antibiotic to treat the opportunistic infection - those symptoms lasted for longer than the flu had but finally cleared up.

[Sanity Claws]

19. I've had serious adverse reactions to antibiotics

I don't think they should be given without a prescription and a warning regarding possible adverse reactions. They should not be dispensed like candy.

[genxlib]

31. Or we could just put them in our food supply

Like our cattle and chickens.

What could go wrong?

[tymorial]

32. Oh yeah because we need even more super bugs

[HipChick]

3. ..Teladoc gives you anti-biotics without examining you..

I'd be more worried about controlled drugs..

[NightWatcher]

5. I gotta guy who can do that for me too. No biggie.

[KT2000]

26. it becomes a biggie

when you have an infection that is resistant to antibiotics. Such bacteria developed because of antibiotics and their over use. These bacteria are no longer confined to hospitals but are now in the community. It can happen to anyone at any time. A small cut can lead to amputations and death when the antibiotics no longer work. We are headed into the past where infections are concerned.

When you take antibiotics, bacteria learn how to become immune to that antibiotic. The bacteria shares that information. This has been known since antibiotics were first developed. Read up on how it is done because it is really fascinating.

[NightWatcher]

27. I'm very aware of antibiotic abuse and I try to stay away from them.

I couldn't even tell you the last time I took one, but as far as giving out meds goes, this doesn't sound too bad and was probably happening during the Obama admin

[tymorial]

33. Who cares which administration it happened under. Its irrelevant

Its irresponsible and the very type of behavior that contributes to mutation and resistance. This is a big deal.

[B2G]

7. Our company is adding phone consults as opposed

to have to physically be seen. Everyone loves it and it saves the expense of an office visit for antibiotics and other commonly prescribed drugs that have virtually no side effects.

[unitedwethrive]

8. As a doctor, this really doesn't bother me that much (depending on the circumstances)

Many physicians prescribe meds after phone consults, but almost always it is for established patients with a history of certain problems. For example people who have had repeated sinus infections know the symptoms, and most doctors won't make them go into the ER or wait until Monday if they have symptoms over a weekend.

What does bother me is a physician lying to the American people about the health of their president. This clearly happened and should not be tolerated.

[Leith]

38. That's Exactly the Situation with Me and My Doctor

I get a sinus or ear infection roughly every 18 months. I go in, tell them my symptoms and what has worked in the past (the Z Pack).

But, I have always gone in and seen a doctor or PA. I have never once asked for questionable meds. It never even occurred to me to just call and ask them to phone the pharmacy for a new prescription. I did it once in the past for BP med renewal.

[LeftInTX]

10. No big deal...

These were Obama holdovers who wanted a quick antibiotic without seeing the doc. Z packs are so routine. I used to be able to get Z packs if I just called my doc.

What happens with me, is I get pneumonia easy. It starts with bronchitis and I need to quick get the antibiotics in before it turns into pneumonia. This person had probably been seen by Dr. Jackson before.

[unblock]

11. hey dr ronny, got anything for the, uh, flu i might have caught from a russian prostitute?"

[cyclonefence]

12. This is no big deal

He never should have been nominated, of course, but these "improper dispensing medication" complaints against him are just not that damning. I've worked all my life for and with physicians, and this is common practice. Doctors routinely prescribe (or give samples of) medications their friends and co-workers request, without examination. Hell, my own family doctor, with whom I have no professional relationship, will prescribe for me without having me come into the office, simply because he knows I'm a responsible adult.

Further, in many countries in the world, Z-Packs and other antibiotics are freely available over the counter (which is not a good idea; this is a big part of over-use of antibiotics).

His drinking while on call is a serious matter, but the drugs? Not so much.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

17. Duh. He's just celebrating National Takeback Prescription Drug Day.

Link to tweet

That's where you take back your unused prescription drugs and given them to Dr. Ronny Jackson.

[JenniferJuniper]

20. I've convinced my doctor to do that

once or twice.

[Laffy Kat]

24. It's a hard-hitting antibiotic.

Antibiotics are powerful and should not be handed out willy-nilly.

[leftynyc]

25. Doesn't bother me

My doc writes a script for me whenever I leave the country and I don't have to visit his office (I don't take it unless I need to). It's the only antibiotic that doesn't bother my stomach.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

28. I have a feeling Ronnie Jackson's military career is over.

Another life destroyed by entering the orbit around King Donald.

To be sure, it's Jackson's fault -- he's clearly a dick. But there were lots of dicks in the military when I served. The secret of surviving if you're a dick is to keep your head low and don't swing out into the wind. People are bound to notice that you're a dick.

Not sure what Jackson was thinking when he accepted the appointment. He could have just stayed on as WH physician, smiling and lying about the president's physical condition, and put in his 30 and retire as an admiral. Now he's going to be lucky to get out with an honorable discharge.

[underthematrix]

30. This is not about Ronny Jackson the military medical doctor. This

is about Ronny Jackson the witness. I've said they wanted to get him out of the White House but they had to destroy his credibility because he has witnessed something.

[HipChick]

36. Exactly..

[3catwoman3]

34. When I get parents wanting antibiotic prescriptions...

...after hours by phone, I politely tell them that the very best I can do over the phone is to guess at their child's diagnosis, and that I would hate to guess wrong. Most are persuaded by that explanation.

For those that treat adults that are well known to you, I can see that it could be somewhat different, but there is no way I am going to treat an infant without being certain what is going on.

I would absolutely NOT work for an organization like Teledoc.

[Loki Liesmith]

35. S.O.P.

[FreeState]

37. I've bee. Given prescriptions over the phone

Without ever meeting the doctor (ever, as in I called a stranger who was a doctor and they called it in for me). It’s not uncommon.