More Joy Reid posts are being unearthed. They aren't good

[Azathoth]

New Inflammatory Posts About Gays and Muslims From Joy Reid’s Blog Unearthed

After Mediaite reported a number of anti-gay posts on MSNBC host Joy Reid’s old blog, the pundit claimed that her website was hacked and the homophobic posts were fabricated. (Well, some, but not all; a few she has freely admitted to penning.)

Turns out there are more anti-gay posts — as well as inflammatory posts about Muslims — in addition to those originally reported by Mediaite.

...

One post on Reid’s blog states that “current iterations of Islam are largely incompatible with Western notions of free speech and expression, and thus, I’d say, with the Bushian dream of Western style democracy for all.”

https://www.mediaite.com/online/new-inflammatory-posts-about-gays-and-muslims-from-joy-reids-old-blog-unearthed/

Rosie O’Donnell Tweets Report of Unearthed Post on Joy Reid’s Blog Calling Her a ‘Chubbed-Out Shrew'

The jury is still out on whether or not MSNBC host Joy Reid is being truthful about claims that her decade-old blog was hacked and loaded with anti-gay writings. Among those newly-discovered posts was a 2007 piece critical toward Rosie O’Donnell — who apparently has been watching the entire controversy unfold online.

...

The old blog post, featured on the news personality’s former site “The Reid Report,” taunted O’Donnell over her feud with President Donald Trump — who she described as “kick-ass funny.”

“How much longer until that chubbed-out shrew Rosie O’Donnell gets her fat ass canned by Babwa?” Reid wrote, mocking Barbara Walters’ voice (the two worked together on The View at the time). “How much longer will the freak show that is ‘The View’ continue to darken our television screens?”

https://www.mediaite.com/online/rosie-odonnell-tweets-report-of-unearthed-post-on-joy-reids-blog-calling-her-a-chubbed-out-shrew/

[Demsrule86]

1. Seriously? Wow, really working this nonsense.

[EffieBlack]

15. Apparently, the anti-Joy cabal is getting nervous that they aren't getting traction

[grantcart]

59. Amazing isn't it. Wonder why Joy scares them so much

[joshcryer]

114. She called out Russia and Wikileaks.

This fucks with the Russian cyberops narrative.

[C Moon]

121. +1

[ehrnst]

149. I have an idea... (nt)

[workinclasszero]

166. Intelligent, Black, female, liberal

That's why they are scared!

[grantcart]

169. You forgot smart, articulate, tenacious and beautiful.

[workinclasszero]

173. Yes indeed!

[smirkymonkey]

171. Exactly!

This shit is pissing me off. I am just going to start trashing these threads. I'm sick of this trolling.

[wasupaloopa]

2. The anti Joy side must be feeling like it is not getting the job done.

Who is next Rachel?

[OilemFirchen]

16. They do seem to be on the receiving end of a lot of well-deserved push-back this time.

Fool me sixty times...

[Matthew28]

3. People charge

I use to be the same but one evolves and grows up as they get older.

We can't be excluding people because of what they use to believe or we're not going to win.

[ProudLib72]

4. ....

[doc03]

5. So what is this another Republican orchestrated trashing

like they pulled with Al Franken?

[Matthew28]

7. Probably

We need to stand by Joy Reid.

[TheSmarterDog]

9. Yes

This is originating from entities which are not & have never been friends of Democrats, liberals & progressives. A few here are taking the bait.

[Ninsianna]

116. is it Republican or their higher ups?

Sputnik, RT, Breitbart etc. Are all super concerned with a.weekend anchor and LGBT rights all of a sudden, literally all at once. You can't even tell the MAGATs from the fake Macedonian "lefties" from the content.

[get the red out]

155. Yep!

You can't even tell the MAGATs from the fake Macedonian "lefties" from the content

I have definitely been seeing this for a while!

[peabody]

6. You left this out from the link:

O’Donnell responded to several Twitter users that she didn’t know if Reid wrote the posts herself. “Hope it’s not true,” she wrote in one tweet, adding in another, “I hope it’s not true.”

[bigtree]

8. blocking you

...this is nitpicking bullshit.

[Hekate]

10. So are those the "posts" that miraculously have no replies or pushback contemporaneously?

Oh really -- more of those.

[Azathoth]

14. DUers have already found at least one of her actual posts that had no comments

that was cross-posted here back in 2006 (so it can't have been faked later). That kind of torpedoes the theory that "no comments means it's fake."

See:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10540836

[Ninsianna]

105. but, does it really?

The whole orchestrated. Nature of this, from the "not a bot" screen caps fed to a former Daily Signal.and Heritage Foundation guy on Mediaite and all the Sputnik, RT, Breitfart and other Putin outlets jumping in all at once, not a lot of credibility here.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

157. OK, so DU was hacked now to show these old posts?

And these aren't "screen caps." These are from the Internet Archive. There's a big difference.

[Ninsianna]

164. The issue seems to be that you are conflating posts.

She apologized for what she wrote, reported the ones she did not. You linked to the ones she apologized for, which are not what Not a Bot and the right wing and Putin echo chamber have fixated on.

These were literally screencaps from the archive which they tell you came from various sites, which literally everyone who is not a CON or a Russian bot/took is telling you is pretty damned easy to mess with.

Here is an explainer since there seems to be.much confusion and ignorance a out how the internets and the archive work and how they can be meddled with.

https://burningbird.net/the-joy-reid-saga-the-wayback-machine-cannot-guarantee-authenticity/

[Cuthbert Allgood]

168. The problem in that article is not with the Internet Archive

but with when it takes the snapshot. That article does not indicate that the Internet Archive can be hacked. Just that it only takes a snapshot at one specific time.

So, what we now have to believe is that between the date that she posted something and the date--which we know from the Internet Archive timestamp--of the snapshot, someone hacked her blog to include comments that are not out of line with her other homophobic statements she admits to saying. And why did that do that to a moderately unknown regional figure at that time? Any good answer for that? Because that makes no damn sense. But it will be pretty easy to tell if she had been hacked.

For me, I'm pretty damn skeptical that someone hacked her over a decade ago just so they could use it against her if she ever became famous.

[Gothmog]

11. The bernie bros are so very very busy

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

26. Is this really necessary?! Please, give it a break.

[Ninsianna]

107. you mean pointing out the online only community that has made attacks on Joy Reid and anyone

Who dares not worship at the altar of the anointed one a target of the vilest, most dishonest abuse?

I mean it's not necessary for people to keep posting the Sputnik/RT/Breitbart crap funneled through "not a bot" via right wingers, but they're all on script.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

137. Have no idea what you're talkin' about; doesn't relate to what we're sayin, but okay, if you say so.

[Ninsianna]

165. um, sure. The identical scripts from the Bro and the MAGATs are just a

Coincidence. Whatever you say, no one is buying that and have not for quite some time.

It's not exactly hard to figure out what'a going on here what with the abundant citations of Russian agit prop and the Rigjt wing smear machine. But, hey sure...

[stonecutter357]

141. it is necessary and can you Please give it a break.

[betsuni]

144. Yes, it is necessary. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Don't give it if you don't want to get it back.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

146. LOL... haven't given anything.

[betsuni]

148. "could it be some here are being overly sensitive? Maybe even to suit their own purposes?"

LOL.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

152. huh?

[betsuni]

163. huh? I thought we were unearthing old quotes.

[MrsCoffee]

58. +1

[stonecutter357]

140. +1000

[ehrnst]

151. Yep. (nt)

[pnwmom]

12. It's true that some current iterations of Islam -- like ISIS and the Taliban -- aren't compatible

with western Democracy.

Nothing too controversial about that idea, imo.

And she was snarky about Rosie. Rosie has been snarky about plenty of others.

[Azathoth]

17. You probably should wait till Joy decides whether or not to label these posts hacked

before going all in to justify them.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. That's only fair.

[Ninsianna]

110. sure, if you ignore completely the definition of the word.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

56. Is that the best you can do?

PNWMom made some valid points. Why don't you address them?

[Ninsianna]

109. not a part of the script.

[Azathoth]

118. Because I'm frankly more concerned with whether Reid is lying

I posted these articles because they were the top headlines on Mediaite and no one had posted them here yet. The only thing in them I feel strong enough about to bother condemning is the racist blog excerpt that Reid quotes as being "salient."

However, with that said, my original point still stands. If people believe Reid has been hacked, then why are they defending articles before they know if those articles are also hacked?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

154. So you're okay with Isis

Got it

[NCTraveler]

61. This response speaks volumes. Nt

[Azathoth]

112. The fact that you have stalked the Reid threads doing nothing but attacking me

also speaks volumes. Almost as if you aren't even pretending to argue the facts of Reid's claims and are only interested in destroying anyone who dares challenge the Great and Powerful Joy.

[stevenleser]

174. NCTraveler has done a lot more posts in these threads that had

nothing to do with you

[Ninsianna]

108. because doing so in December wasn't enough.

That pesky timeline!

[oasis]

70. Iterations of Islam arent compatible w/ western democracy

Wow! That’s some heavy duty anti-Muslim trash talk.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

158. So we can write off homophobic comments because

"they were SO long ago" and now we can write off fate shaming because the target of the fat shaming "has been snarky, too."

I can't believe I'm reading this on a progressive web site. If a Republican had done either of these, they would be roasted on here. Rightfully so. But because Joy is a Dem, we need to come up with reasons it's OK. How is this any different than the support for Trump? How far away is this from "we knew what we were voting for."

Joy said some horrible shit. She could just own it and show her growth. Saying someone hacked the Internet Archive is just silly and shouldn't be supported here.

[OilemFirchen]

13. Courtesy of the Washington Free Beacon.

It's all so exciting!

[Blue_true]

19. The same shit happened in 2016.

People going out dragging rightwing sourced shit into DU to bash a good progressive. And a few here are falling for that like they did in 2016. But those people are the usual suspects.

[Scurrilous]

18. Unearthed!

[Azathoth]

21. Not my word, it came from the headline nt

[emulatorloo]

35. More fake Joy Reid posts are being fabricated by right-wing sources

And folks who dismiss civil rights as “identity politics” are exhibited fake outrage.

[EffieBlack]

42. Interesting, that, ain't it?

[emulatorloo]

52. Sick to death of it n/t

[LexVegas]

20. ...

[OilemFirchen]

22. Looks like your once-hidden OP was also "unearthed".

This is thrilling!

[Demsrule86]

23. Too bad... someDuer's help out the right wing by destroying effective progressives.

[OilemFirchen]

29. It's all very mysterious.

Right after the OP's ellipses, in each of the articles, is the paragraph explaining that these posts were "discovered" by a writer at the Washington Free Beacon. Those paragraphs are eerily omitted from the OP.

That kind of inexplicable chilling coincidence is the stuff of science fiction!

I'm getting tingly all over!

[Demsrule86]

175. The Washington Free Beacon funded the Dossier during the primary for the GOP as I recall.

Right wing bullshit organization.

[struggle4progress]

24. Is this the Alex Griswold who writes for The Federalist and The Daily Caller?

Oh, dearie me! How shall we ever live this down!

[Ninsianna]

111. I thought "Not a bot" went to some Daiky Signal dude?

[GoCubsGo]

25. This reminds me of the nameless women who came out of the woodwork to accuse Al Franken.

The whole thing reeks.

[ismnotwasm]

27. The Washington Free Beacon?

Jesus fucking H Christ. Fuck this shit.

[still_one]

34. Absolutely

[emulatorloo]

37. Any port in a storm. Remember how this crowd promoted Joe DiGenova in 2016?

Fox News “progressives” easily evolve into FreeBeacon “progressives”

[still_one]

38. I know. Using the "Free Beacon" as a source is an embaressment to DU

[emulatorloo]

40. They have no fucking shame. They will literally site anything to score political points

The intellectual dishonesty is astonishing.

[still_one]

44. What the OP is doing is supplying a Mediaite link, thinking that people won't realize that the

source that Mediaite is using is the free beacon

Intellectual dishonesty is too polite for the bullshit that this is masquarding as

[emulatorloo]

50. Personally not going to tolerate the masquerade any more

[Azathoth]

51. You do realize that the quotes are not from the Free Beacon, but from Reid's blog, right?

This isn't a right-wing conspiracy. Those pages can be pulled up by anyone who goes to the internet archives.

[still_one]

55. As far as I am concern anything that references the Free Beacon directly or indirectly, has

credibility issues

[emulatorloo]

64. And that includes DU members who are willing to cite the Free Beacon as an authority on DU

[mr_lebowski]

123. I'd be glad to see a link to prove this point ...

Although TBH, AFAIC the worst part about what she said was the fat-shaming of Rosie. None of the rest bothers me, just as I have no problem with her not caring to watch Brokeback Mountain.

Further, if I held every female I've ever known's 'feet to the fire' WRT snarky comments she's ever made about any other girls, I'm pretty sure I'd not have single female friend left in the world.

I'm not going to bag on Joy Reid just because she's occasionally spoken in a manner that comports with ... the way I've heard pretty much every lady (and man, for that manner) occasionally speak of others with which they're somehow feuding.

It happens ...

So, even IF this is all 'true', guess what?

I'm over it already.

[Demsrule86]

170. Bullshit... I do believe she was hacked...no way someone would not have noticed these posts...

why are you so invested in destroying Joy?

[Historic NY]

179. The guy going through the archives worked for them too...

and now works for Free Beacon. Strange but they seem like the Nat. Enquirer type journalism.

[uponit7771]

48. +1, and they were "unearthed" ... of course

[Pathwalker]

30. LET IT SINK.

n/t

[OilemFirchen]

31. HE CAN'T.

What would he do without his cred?

[Drahthaardogs]

32. There ARE iterations of Islam that are problematic

With western civilization. Like the honor killings and stoning of women. How the fuck is this a problem?

[Tipperary]

80. Yes, glad we can say this on du now. Sorry that it took Reid getting slammed for us to finally

get to this point.

[whathehell]

119. It should not have taken that..

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The PC police can be stifling at times.

[still_one]

33. Tweeted from a "Free Beacon" report. Gee, thanks for regurgitating garbage from a right wing site

[jberryhill]

36. Joy Reid kicked my dog

[still_one]

45. Obviously your dog must have a certain life style or Joy would not have kicked your dog

[NatBurner]

46. joy reid told harpo to best me :(

[Stinky The Clown]

39. Go away. The bus station . . . . .

. . . . . is thattaway ----->

[still_one]

41. The OP thinks its cleaver to PRETEND that this is coming from Mediaite, WHEN THE SOURCE THAT

MEDIAITE IS USING IS THE RIGHT WING RAG THE FREE BEACON

[George II]

43. The underlying "source" is not mediaite, it's the Free Beacon. That's a rightwing source.

C'mon, let's stop this, okay?

[jcgoldie]

47. More trash

WTF?

[emulatorloo]

49. Free Beacon? You arent as clever as you think you are

The whole “Progressives” citing right wing sources thing doesn’t fly here anymore.

[Azathoth]

53. The Free Beacon fabricated Reid's words?

They aren't from her blog? In one post she's linking to the Gateway Pundit for God's sake.

[emulatorloo]

54. Not interested in dishonest right-wing sources or the misdirection of alleged progressives who post

them.

Intellectual honesty is a thing.

You don’t have any.

Otherwise you wouldn’t drag lying shit sources like the Free Beacon onto DU to score cheap bullshit political points.

Don’t try coming back at me with crocodile tears about how you are being “personally attacked”.

If you don’t want to be “attacked” on DU, then don’t post right-wing sources.

[chillfactor]

57. I am sick to death....

of all the Joy posts accusing her if wrong-doing...she is one of my favorite journalists.......sounds to me someone is just out to get her because of her success and color.

[NCTraveler]

62. I havent seen this level of desperation in some time.

[emulatorloo]

66. +1

[emulatorloo]

65. Good catch n/t

[Azathoth]

67. I honestly don't remember that one. But you might at least link to the original post

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https://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1586500

I'm not the only DUer there mocking her in that way for what she said.

[MrsCoffee]

68. If you hit view all it goes to the original post.

I should have just linked it.

[MrsCoffee]

69. Thats a ridiculous excuse.

You might want to rethink this OP since it’s starting to look like a setup and makes one wonder if this is all just an attack against a strong black woman.

I mean if you had no problem with shit like this back then, why the OP?

[Azathoth]

71. lol, that sounds like a threat

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Ironic, coming from someone who's been here less than a year. (On edit: your edited post sounds less threatening.)

But in any case, three points.

1) Pointing out that there are several other DUers saying similar things in that thread is far from "ridiculous."
2) I'm not pretending that my account was "hacked" and that I never wrote that, unlike someone else.
3) I've never dug through the posting history of another DUer in order to retaliate against them for posting articles from Mediaite.

[MrsCoffee]

72. Well why are you attacking Joy then?

And the mediaite link is just linking to right wing free beacon bullshit.

[Azathoth]

74. I already posted why. Here

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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210540921

I wasn't overly concerned with this story until Reid started with these hacking allegations. For me, lying and fabricating in order to cover up one's past ARE serious character issues.

Although, I will admit that her citing that racist blog in the post that just turned up is troubling.

[MrsCoffee]

75. You have no idea if she was hacked or not.

You just attacked.

[Azathoth]

76. I think it's highly unlikely she was hacked

And that's not an uninformed or biased opinion:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/claims-by-joy-reids-cybersecurity-expert-fall-apart?ref=home

[MrsCoffee]

77. You have no idea if she was hacked or not.

[Azathoth]

78. Did you even read the link?

Or is the Daily Beast too right-wing for you?

[MrsCoffee]

79. You still have no idea.

“according to a Daily Beast analysis”

[Azathoth]

81. lol, well, you made it to sentence 2. Keep reading.

It's pretty conclusive. Her security "expert" basically concedes there is no proof of anything.

[MFM008]

134. Those russkies

Are lousy hackers...hope they dont interfere in anything like a US election or anything......

Oh wait....

[OilemFirchen]

73. No it doesn't.

But of more import, where's your apology?

[Azathoth]

82. lol

If you're done alerting posts, perhaps you might want to read as well

https://www.thedailybeast.com/claims-by-joy-reids-cybersecurity-expert-fall-apart

It's all a right-wing conspiracy job, right? Where are those internet archive servers again?

[OilemFirchen]

83. I didn't alert on any of your posts.

I found that this OP was hidden when I attempted a reply. You really are nothing but bullshit presumptions bound to carbon, aren't you?

Where's your apology for your transphobic remark?

[Azathoth]

84. Right. Very coincidental. Gives me "tingles".

And I'm more than happy to apologize to the transgender community, although Ann Coulter can still eat shit and die.

But I thought you'd be asking more old-fashioned investigative questions. Like, how do we know the Daily Beast is not working for the Russians?

[OilemFirchen]

85. My delicate sensitivities can no longer handle being hectored for asking straightforward questions.

I'll leave your inability to answer them to others.

[R B Garr]

88. +++++Proof the subject matter is just an excuse to attack

Joy Reid.

[Azathoth]

89. I've already said the subject matter is NOT the primary reason I'm skeptical of her

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210540921

[R B Garr]

90. Phony. If just looks like you are covering all bases

as an excuse to silence her. I’m thinking you could have mentioned your own past phobic posts — in keeping with your honesty concerns.

[Azathoth]

91. What "past phobic posts about her"?

I don't think I've ever posted much on Joy Reid before she started with the hacking story.

[R B Garr]

92. Yes, I meant past phobic posts, but the

“her” was the person in your “unearthed” post, not Joy Reid. I was thinking you would have mentioned you had also posted phobic content — in keeping with your honesty concerns.

[Azathoth]

93. lol, as I posted yesterday, I'm not interested in the story because she tweeted something about Ann

Coulter that was trans-insensitive. I'm interested in it because it's starting to look like she is lying and covering up her past with an elaborate hoax.

[R B Garr]

94. I was talking about your post that was

“Unearthed” and why you didn’t mention it.

[Azathoth]

97. And one again, I'm not focusing on Reid because she tweeted something that was insensitive

to trans people, so demanding to know why I didn't preemptively apologize for a similar comment is a non sequitur.

Moreover, I don't make a habit of preemptively apologizing for one line posts made back in 2005 -- you know, seven years before you ever found this site.

[R B Garr]

99. I didnt unearth your post, so I have

nothing to do with it. I was just noticing that your omission of participation in phobic content could be seen as a lack of honesty when you claim you are concerned about honesty.

[still_one]

145. Maybe I missed it but I also didn't see an apology for the post in question, which sure seemed to

have sexist overtones

[R B Garr]

160. I haven't seen an apology, either. The intentional dismissal of this glaring

omission is not looking good for the OP. They should have owned up to their own past behavior as part of their condemnation of Joy Reid, but they omitted it. Quite the double standards there.

[Cha]

136. Yeah, full disclosure and all.. wouldn't want

to sound like a hypocrite.

[Gothmog]

159. Agreed

[stevenleser]

180. Yep, this is about attacking an opponent of Sanders, nothing else. nt

[NCTraveler]

87. Your post there is worthy of a petition.

“I honestly don’t remember that one”

[Azathoth]

95. I'd ask you to recall everything you posted back in 2005, but you weren't even here yet

However, maybe one day you'll get to enjoy having someone vindictively troll through all of your past posts in retaliation for posting an article.

[NCTraveler]

98. Not a very good justification for it.

Really bad.

Can Reid borrow it?

[Azathoth]

100. Sure. Not gonna help her when people ask "Why did you lie about your blog being hacked?" though...

[NCTraveler]

101. We know you werent hacked. Nt

[R B Garr]

102. You should self delete. This whole unearthing business

has not worked out for you considering you were unearthed. This is not good.

[Azathoth]

103. lol, ok

At least you guys aren't even pretending to defend Reid anymore and are just interested in destroying me.

[R B Garr]

162. No, it is pointing out that your omission of your own phobic

post could be construed as lying, as you are trying to insist Reid is doing. That is only brought up to show how easy it is to malign someone by filling in the blanks with all kinds of nefarious musings as is being done to Joy Reid.

You should self delete.

[joshcryer]

117. Funny how a decade ago mocking her for her mannerisms and looks was OK.

Frankly I wouldn't care about it now. I feel for the LGBT community coming to the defense of a bigot over ironical slanders.

Note: I've never used such insults to my recollection (I actually think it's low brow insults and not worth my time, so I'd be surprised if someone could find such a post). But I don't hate on people who have in the past.

[R B Garr]

86. Wow! Great find.

Proof that the subject matter is just being used as an excuse to attack Joy Reid.

[Petrushka]

96. I wonder: Is the Washington Post a right-wing source too?

MSNBC host Joy Reid once apologized for homophobic comments on her blog. Now she says she was hacked.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/04/25/msnbc-host-joy-ann-reid-once-apologized-for-homophobic-comments-on-her-blog-now-she-says-she-was-hacked/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d2ed184765ea

[Ninsianna]

113. did you read what the post said she told the right wing source?

I mean, I guess when your're quoting the post quoting suchnunimpeachanle sources as right wingers at Mediaite and some dude on Twitter named "Not a bot" shrugging takes the place of checking sources.

[Petrushka]

125. Did you read how MSNBC & Reid's attorney responded to the Post's questions?

While we're "checking sources", this Archive.org response addressing claims of manipulated blog posts in the WEayback Machine looks promising:

http://blog.archive.org/2018/04/24/addressing-recent-claims-of-manipulated-blog-posts-in-the-wayback-machine/





Edited to add:
Also, please see my Reply #129 below.

[Ninsianna]

167. That's kind of the problem with seeking out things that confirm the biases

without paying attention to the facts. The archive is manipulq le and the link I provided explains hiw.

Also, I did read the lawyer and Joy's statements and they don't support the propaganda campaign from the right wing sources, quite the opposite.

Hiw many times will we watch some out there bill crap be floated in Sputnik, RT and the right wing echo chamber that the other media feel obligated to quote and amplify? Remember when they pulled this crap with Planned Parenthood.

That's why checking primary sources is i.portant and not just relying on bias affirming spin from a company that wishes it could state that it was unhackqble, when it's not, nor does anyone with a clue with how this works believe it could even be.

[still_one]

122. The issue wasnt about inappropriate posts made in the mid-2000s, it was the use of an extreme R/W

outlet, “The Washington Beacon” as their source of additional information, which cannot be relied on as accurate

The beacon and other R/W rags are notorious for distortions and outright falsehoods, and to use that as a source directly or indirectly is bullshit

I am amazed at all the sudden right wing concern regarding anti-gay posts made by Reid over 10 years ago. I didn’t realize how concerned they were with gay rights, and I guess we will be seeing tomorrow these r/w outlets changing their views on gay rights

[Azathoth]

126. The Washington Beacon is not the "source" of any information

The source is the archive of Joy Reid's blog, which anyone can access. The Beacon is just opportunistically trolling through it and highlighting stuff Reid wrote.

Stop pretending these posts depend in any way on the reliability of the Beacon.

[still_one]

127. Then why don't you post the link to that BLOG instead of the reference which goes to the Beacon?

Is it that difficult to edit your OP, and link directly to Reid's blog?

[Azathoth]

128. Because then people would accuse me of dishonestly covering up how

I discovered where to look in the archives. I'm not going to pretend I personally trolled through years of Reid's blog to find this stuff. I read about it on Mediate.

If someone wants, they can click through the links and provide original archive links to each of the referenced blog entries.

[still_one]

132. What do you think referencing directly or indirectly the Beacon does?

[Azathoth]

135. Lol, you're basically admitting that you've constructed a Catch 22

If I'm honest and post links to the Mediate articles, then I'm "discredited" because those articles reference the Beacon. If, instead, I extract the direct links to the archives of Reid's blog and post them instead, then someone will Google, find the Mediate articles where I got the links, see they reference the Beacon, and accuse me of trying to smuggle in right-wing articles by hiding where I learned about the archive links.

[still_one]

142. not at all. I would have NEVER posted an indirect link to a right wing rag, but that was your

choice.

There is no catch 22. Within this thread another a poster did post a legitimate source, and link not only from the archive.org, but from a non-sensationalistic outlet setting up the case for or against a hack.

I also find it ironic that an archived post that you did was linked in this thread, got alerted and removed.

A little disingenuous there wouldn't you agree

[Petrushka]

133. If it helps, here's a link to blogs checked out by the Washington Post.

http://archive.is/aKg4R#selection-1451.8-1461.154

From the Post:
"The Washington Post reviewed more than a dozen blog posts on Reid’s site that were archived on archive.is and written between 2005 and 2010. Other posts were linked to in Mediaite."


The Washington Post article in its entirety is availabe at the following link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/04/25/msnbc-host-joy-ann-reid-once-apologized-for-homophobic-comments-on-her-blog-now-she-says-she-was-hacked/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fa3898b1aa05

[Petrushka]

129. Please see my Reply #125 above.

If it makes any difference, I agree with opinions concerning R/W rags notorious for distortions, etc. It appears to me, however, that the Washington Post was at least trying to get to the bottom of any right-wing distortion---which would have been impossible without mentioning their sources and, then, going a step or two further and contacting MSNBC directly . . . as well as Archive.org.

In other words, it's good journalism at work when all sides of a story are taken into consideration and reported; and, in my opinion, anything less is simply propaganda.

[still_one]

131. I agree

[Midnight Writer]

104. Funny that I am not reading outrage that Bill Crystal and Young Gun Joe Scarborough are on MSNBC.

There are a ton of neo-cons, establishment Republicans, and Republican shills on every day. Christ, Steve Schmidt supported Sarah Palin.

Why is the focus on Joy Reid? Go back 15 years and check out Joe Scarborough.

This is all very strange to me.

[RhodeIslandOne]

106. They are circling....

Anything to keep us distracted.....

[mr_lebowski]

124. Free Beacon, Free Beacon ... now why does that name sound familiar?

Can't quite put my finger on it, but I know I know it from somewhere ...

[MFM008]

130. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[duforsure]

138. Joy Reid

Is easily one of the best people on MSNBC with her show and should have more on. This all smells to me some are trying to stain her reputation and the FBI are looking into it, there's enough there to question its origin.

[stonecutter357]

139. fuck trump and welcome to Ignore List , Jury Blacklist ........

[janterry]

143. It's not good news for her

it's true. But I think that news like this needs time to settle - and be digested.

It's a good object lesson about the trails we all leave on the internet, I'm afraid.

I think the reality will set in after a week or so, particularly as the experts pull her story apart. Very sad, since I generally like her. Perhaps she'll survive with her public presence intact. Who knows......

[Vinca]

147. Doesn't sound like Joy at all and makes me more suspicious of the entire brouhaha.

[still_one]

153. It sure doesn't. I am reminded by the James O'Keefe plot to try and paint the Washington Post as a

"fake news outlet" in his defense of Roy Moore, and they got caught red handed.

http://www.nwahomepage.com/news/politics/james-okeefe-on-the-defensive-after-failed-antipost-plot/866409320

[samnsara]

156. if msnbc fires joy i will go elsewhere for my daily news fix....why do we sacrifice our brightest

...and best for some kind of purity test? Hell, to get where they are today these folks have had to climb the journalistic version of Mt Everest! Full of crevasses, steep cliffs on one side...un-climbable on the other, sometimes they fall down or slip but they get back up and go on...and grow on! Thats what makes them the best ppl they are TODAY! Because of how they struggled with their personal obstacles as well as the obstacles of their chosen field. And the lessons they have learned on the way.

I had a prof tell me once that if you have to hire someone to do a job, to hire a women (yes that was sexist) because they have had to struggle harder to get where they are today. But apparently that prof didn't take in the account the current climate of 'if you haven't led a perfect if we don't want you'.

I haven't read the post attributed to Joy, neither do I intend to.

[Iggo]

161. I sat and fumed when you guys came after Al Franken.

Now you're doing it again.

I'm done.

[Demsrule86]

172. I see posts from you attacking Joy all over DU...what is the purpose of this?

[Demsrule86]

176. More Duer's are being suckered by the right wing...not good. Not you, I am sure. You must

have some very persuasive evidence other than the bullshit that comes from the Beacon which all the other reporting is based on to have posted this over and over.

[DFW]

177. Ah, but a god needs no evidence, maybe?

Especially a "Blind Idiot God."

Some nicknames are more revealing than others.

[Botany]

178. This is a rat fucking operation

n/t