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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:32 PM Apr 2018

Media Matters Says No Boycott for Joy Reid, Blasts 'Right-Wing Chicanery'

Media Matters Says No Boycott for Joy Reid, Blasts 'Right-Wing Chicanery'
"There’s no corrective action they seek here. Just revenge," Angelo Carusone tells TheWrap
Jon Levine | April 25, 2018 @ 1:41 PM Last Updated: April 25, 2018 @ 2:00 PM

Media Matters for America will not launch any advertiser boycott against Joy Reid. The non-profit watchdog group’s president Angelo Carusone told TheWrap on Wednesday his group will not target the MSNBC host after mounting pressure from those who have called out an old blog post of hers as being bigoted toward the LGBT community.

In a public Twitter conversation on Wednesday, Carusone answered a question from TheWrap, saying that Reid’s past post will not trigger a Twitter boycott from his group. He called the effort to draw attention to Media Matters on the topic of Reid “bulls–t” and “right wing chicanery.”

“I hope people can separate, especially media figures, can separate out difference,” said Carusone. “There’s no corrective action they seek here. Just revenge.”

“Further, those leading the charge on this issue are actually terrible on LGBT issues. If we accept the standard they are putting forward, then by extension doesn’t that mean many of their own media figures should be punished too?” he added in a series of Twitter replies.

https://www.thewrap.com/media-matters-says-no-boycott-for-joy-reid-ad-pressure-campaigns-are-rare-for-us/
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Media Matters Says No Boycott for Joy Reid, Blasts 'Right-Wing Chicanery' (Original Post) workinclasszero Apr 2018 OP
Haven't we learned snowybirdie Apr 2018 #1
I guess not workinclasszero Apr 2018 #4
Yep. It's peabody Apr 2018 #21
K&R revmclaren Apr 2018 #2
Kick NT The Polack MSgt Apr 2018 #3
Damn right.. I wish this post and full article would be read by all the DUers that want her scalp. hlthe2b Apr 2018 #5
Why are the usual idiots swallowing this eighth wing smear? blake2012 Apr 2018 #6
Silently eating crow instead of apologizing. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #22
K&R stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #7
+10000 tulipsandroses Apr 2018 #8
The GOP knows they can get the left purity police workinclasszero Apr 2018 #9
It is more complicated than that. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #11
When I was born it was illegal to be gay workinclasszero Apr 2018 #13
Agreed. It is highly likely you are correct. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #15
She has already apologized for some bad remarks made in the past workinclasszero Apr 2018 #16
Yes she has. She has also denied the recently found material is hers. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #20
Kick! JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #10
K&R. tosh Apr 2018 #12
And that is what it is malaise Apr 2018 #14
They Tried to Smear Sam Seder and it Proved to be a Lie Ccarmona Apr 2018 #17
Good Gothmog Apr 2018 #18
K and R oasis Apr 2018 #19
Great news, working.. Cha Apr 2018 #23
Quote: "There's no corrective action they seek here. Just revenge." R B Garr Apr 2018 #24
Kick! peabody Apr 2018 #25
Lies. Chickensoup Apr 2018 #26

snowybirdie

(5,232 posts)
1. Haven't we learned
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:36 PM
Apr 2018

from the last election? Trolls, bots and general chicanery by the other side need to be ignored!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
4. I guess not
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:41 PM
Apr 2018

Operation Al Franken 2 is well under way it seems.

All women, PoC and libs must be silenced.

If you have not been pure from your date of birth, you will be exposed and drummed out of public life and the party as well I guess.

peabody

(445 posts)
21. Yep. It's
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 06:34 PM
Apr 2018

so sad to see some people here falling for it all over again. I stand with Joy, and Media Matters.

 

blake2012

(1,294 posts)
6. Why are the usual idiots swallowing this eighth wing smear?
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:44 PM
Apr 2018

Let the investigation go where it goes. If she misspoke, then she can correct that. But at this point, don’t let the racist and sexist fucks of Russia and the racist and sexist fucks of America join forces to lynch this woman.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
8. +10000
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:48 PM
Apr 2018
“Further, those leading the charge on this issue are actually terrible on LGBT issues. If we accept the standard they are putting forward, then by extension doesn’t that mean many of their own media figures should be punished too?”

This all day, every day!!!

I say put up or shut up!!
If you are not actively doing anything for these groups you are so mad about, then STFU!
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
9. The GOP knows they can get the left purity police
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:52 PM
Apr 2018

to purge it's strongest warriors!

Al Franken forced out of the Senate and out of public life and now a great journalist Joy Reid.

And many suckers on our side squeal in delight to be in the howling mob!

Caliman73

(11,742 posts)
11. It is more complicated than that.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:19 PM
Apr 2018

In general I agree that this issue doesn't appear to be legitimate. However, Progressives are typically driven by wanting to correct injustices and to be the best they can be. That makes us vulnerable to manipulation in the same way that fear and resentment about a fictional "golden age" make conservatives vulnerable to manipulation.

When you have allegations of a violation of a social value that is significant to a progressive mindset (I.E. respect for LGBT people or respect for women in Franken's case), it will certainly set off the reaction of those people who are most strongly affected by the violations. There is always a possibility of over reaction as a result. Franken, likely got a bad deal, but it wasn't "one picture", it was a series of accusations (true or not) that were not able to be ignored.

The difference between Progressives and Conservatives on these issues is that Conservatives appear to care most about power and winning over ethical behavior, and Progressives care about ethics more than political victory.

Our homophobes are not better than their homophobes (and I am not saying Reid is a homophobe). Progressives want ALL homophobia to be eliminated and we start by looking inward (for better or worse).

Like I said. I do not believe that Reid is homophobic or that she has negative ideas about LGBT people. She had blog posts years ago, that she acknowledged, criticizing Charlie Christ, which disparaged him using comparisons to homosexuality.

I consider myself a decent person and a progressive, but I was taught growing up, that you shouldn't throw or run like a girl, that when something was "gay", that meant is was bad. While I have tried not to use those phrases as disparagement for many many years, they are in there (in my psyche). I remember when I was 19 and my sister had a very good friend who is gay and she brought him home on vacation (he was from out of the country) and I said something like, "that was so gay" not describing him but something I though was a bad situation. My sister pointed that out to me, especially because I really liked my sister's friend, he is an awesome guy, and here I was using the core of his sexuality to denote something bad or unacceptable. The same way when some people want to disparage a man, they call him a "cocksucker" or we call people "retarded", when they have made a decision or done something that we did not find to be intelligent or appropriate. Again, as progressives we seek to eliminate those ideas from our lexicon and our attitudes, and there are those who sincerely (because they have been so affected by the issue) want to have little tolerance for those uses of language. Then there are those who seek to exploit the issue for political gain.

Ultimately we have to balance our progressive identity with critical thinking and always with skepticism for attacks coming from right wingers and other people seeking to manipulate us. This certainly requires that we do not knee jerk and call for people being fired, but we certainly want to look into a situation.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
13. When I was born it was illegal to be gay
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:34 PM
Apr 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Michigan


When I was in the USAF it was illegal to be gay. They had undercover SP's cruise gay bars around the base to catch gay airmen and slap them with a dishonorable discharge.

https://medium.com/lgbtq-american-history-for-the-people/homosexuality-and-the-us-military-aea79cae740c


The right for gay people to be married just happened a few years ago and these rights are under constant attack by the same people attacking Joy Reid!

Democrats like Joy Reid are the reason these laws are history now.

The same fucking party that still fights to deny gay folks their rights are the ones pushing this takedown of Joy Reid!!!

Caliman73

(11,742 posts)
15. Agreed. It is highly likely you are correct.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:38 PM
Apr 2018

The point I was making is that it is part of being a Progressive to be aware of and to respond to things which violate the ideas that we hold dear.

They have been used against Progressives because it seems that people on the conservative side have no qualms about using any means to attack Progressives.

So what is the solution to the situation?

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
16. She has already apologized for some bad remarks made in the past
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:43 PM
Apr 2018

So why don't we judge her by the way she has lived her life since then?

And by all means, lets judge her accusers by the same standards!

Caliman73

(11,742 posts)
20. Yes she has. She has also denied the recently found material is hers.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 05:57 PM
Apr 2018

I think that we need to let the evidence show what happened if possible and I agree that we should accept her for what she has done in the 12 years since those blog posts as well. We should certainly not let rightwingers dictate the narrative.

We also already judge her accusers by a similar standard but our support and patronage is not something, said accusers rely on for theit own careers. As I said in my posts, rightwingers do not care about ethics or integrity. They care about winning. Unfortunately we cannot be true to our ideals and pursue that same path. We can certainly take the most open minded approach possible, but we can't excuse behavior just because the person doing it is on our side.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
17. They Tried to Smear Sam Seder and it Proved to be a Lie
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 03:30 PM
Apr 2018

Now they’re going after Joy Reid. This too will prove to be a smear job.

R B Garr

(16,967 posts)
24. Quote: "There's no corrective action they seek here. Just revenge."
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 06:41 PM
Apr 2018

Amen! Thank goodness this is being recognized for what it is. They just want to silence her as revenge. Glad that is being recognized and called out.

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