Thinking! Why didn't Obama take action....

[busterbrown]

against Dr Ronnie's horrible work ethics while he was in office?

I have hunch that if Rear Admiral of the Navy, Dr. Ronnie Johnson was dismissed by our former Black President...The right wing would have tried to crucify Obama to any wall they could find.

Because in their collective plotting sick minds..President Obama was nothing more than a Military hating Dem. who stood for secure globalization and pacification..and was a part of Dem plot to reduce all Military funding in order to hand out food stamps to street criminals and lazy apartment dwellers.

Maybe I've strayed over the line a little here....but Christ almighty the manner in which they treated him was just disgusting..Fast and Furious.. My Ass!

[underthematrix]

1. I don't believe any of this happened during his tenure with President Obama

because he would have let him go. I don't think the wingnuts would've been upset because this is really a personal decision to have someone as their personal physician.

[busterbrown]

3. Disagree... When you are drinking on the job..

No matter where you work, chances are good you have a huge problem...No..I'm sorry Dr. Ronnie didn't begin his drinking and perhaps more when Trump stepped in the WH.

[underthematrix]

5. Your starting point is believing he had a drinking problem. That's the part I don't believe

Here's what CNBC is reporting:
2012 watchdog report suggested removing VA nominee Ronny Jackson from White House role
A watchdog report ordered by Dr. Ronny Jackson found that he and a rival physician exhibited "unprofessional behaviors" as they engaged in a power struggle over the White House medical unit.
The report suggested the White House consider replacing Jackson, Dr. Jefffrey Kuhlman or both.
According to the report, Jackson admitted he had failed to shield the White House medical unit from the leadership drama.

It appears it was a power struggle that has turned very nasty.

And the really peculiar thing about this story is that it took 17 months for anyone to notice the two most significant allegations: working while drunk and dispensing medication inappropriately which specifically was about dispensing meds to help people fall asleep and wake up while traveling thru different time zones.

[busterbrown]

6. I would say that for years before this event..

He was drinking heavily... Those who have alcohol problems don't usually begin when they are near 50. Its not impossible but highly unlikely..By the way Alcoholics are very good at sneaking their drinks.Trust me I know....Been around alcoholics for a long time.

And I gotta tell you during his presentation on the President's health.. He seemed a little disjointed and said some rather odd things about Trump's health..

[mythology]

7. I said this in an earlier thread, but having to perform a medical examination of Trump

would induce heavy drinking in most people.

[underthematrix]

10. LOL

[busterbrown]

33. Ha..Just being in his presence

would merit a stiff one!

[underthematrix]

8. Yes I agree with you. Moat alcoholics start very early in life which begs the question

why there were no reports of his poor leadership skills, his explosive personality and alcoholism prior to serving on the WH medical team. Captain is a leadership command position. I would like to know if there's anything earlier in his career.

Also, the OIG report doesn't mention any drinking een though they interviewed 10-12 witnesses on the WH medical team in 2012. Why is that" Also, there's only documentation for the power struggle and poor command. Why?

[GusBob]

11. Latest news stories indicate up to 20 people came forward

all with similar stories.

Maybe before they could sweep it under the rug. But now folks don't want a guy like that in charge of an important agency. It's more about competence than politics to them perhaps

[underthematrix]

17. My thinking is similar to one of Lawrence's guest. The inappropriate

drug prescriptions is a nothingburger. It happened in both the Bush and Obama admins and was common during travel. Like me, he thinks Trump submitted the name of someone so unqualified and unsuited for the job it's laughable. I also think Trump is trying to get rid of him (The WH released the 2012 OIG report).

Now consider this. This doctor could lose his DEA number and his medical license for something that's politically motivated. The Montana Dem senator exposing everything is in a tough re-election bid.

There's something else going on here.

[GusBob]

21. I don't know how familiar you are with the VA

But their rules and protocol for physicians are very strict and stringent. To the extreme

Handing out prescription medications willy-hilly to me is a very dangerous, highly unethical, and stupid thing to do. The allegations are he was dispensing pills, not just writing prescriptions

You can't have a Dr like that in charge. He could lose his DEA status, but not for political reasons

If the allegations are true he should lose his privileges for the same reason he will lose the job: the guy is not competent

[underthematrix]

44. My mother was a nurse and worked for the VA for over 20 years.

I don't believe the allegations because he doesn't appear to have a history of alcoholism or drug abuse prior to his WH stint.

[busterbrown]

25. If you are an Alcoholic and have a high end important job?

You have acquired a host of manipulative skills to protect yourself from any kind of scrutiny.. Believe me the 10-12 witnesses, and the lack of documentation you mention? Is all related to his skills of manipulating and probably threatening anyone who tries to step in his way..

And since he was the Santa of drug dispersement.. he probably had many on his side covering his rear end.. I've seen and worked with these kind many times.. They are basically all the same.. Nice when sober, but turn into bulls when threatened.....That my friend is Alcoholism and drug addiction behavior.

[underthematrix]

45. None of this is in the 2012 OIG report.

Why?

[underthematrix]

46. Has the DEA ever questioned him or flagged his number

or suspended it? Has anyone ever filed a complaint against his medical license?

[kydo]

24. Um, as a recovering alcoholic, what you claim is not completely true.

I have been sober since Dec. 7, 2000. The idea that people with alcohol problems don't begin when they near 50, is complete BS. I know many alcoholics that didn't become alcoholics until late in life. Many retired military often become alcoholic after retiring. It's more common then you would think, and not just with the military.

Now usually what happens with the people that become alcoholic later in life is they knew from an earlier age that they process booze differently. They can consume huge amounts. So they might try not to drink until they retire. Sometimes it works sometimes not.

This disease doesn't care how old you are. It can hit anyone at anytime, period.

[busterbrown]

27. You should read more carefully.

I never said people with alcohol problems don't begin when they near 5O.

I stated that most don't..and thats a fact.. Go into any aa meeting and you'll understand that.
Most of them will tell you they started in their teens..twenties also, less in their 30,s very few past that on a percentage basis... Rarely have I seen a 50 yr old come in and state that he began drink in his 50's.. It happens..as a matter of fact I've known people in their 60's get sober..

The guy in this thread Dr. Robbie ? an out and out alcoholic from an early age.. Perhaps in college.

[kydo]

30. Maybe you should read better too.

I have been attending AA for almost 18 years now. I have seen everything, been there, done that got my one and only white chip thank you very fucking much, chaired many many AA meetings, the whole station wagon, somewhere have a shirt, got the bumper sticker too. So please don't talk down to me. Just because I am one of "them", doesn't mean I am stupid. I'm not. Damaged, and loony at times, probably.

And I have seen people come in to AA in their 50's and state that which you claim to rarely have seen.

The first thing one learns at these meetings is NO ONE is an alcoholic until they say they are. Personally I don't know this doctor ronny, so I am not going to diagnose him based on what I hear on the tv and read on the internet about what his drinking habits may or may not be.

[busterbrown]

31. I've been around 28 yrs...

I perfectly understand the dynamics you are talking about... But its my experience that very few come in at 50 or 60 and stay sober for a year.. usually they come to get their court cards signed...

I am sure that this Ronnie Jackson didn't start drinking in his 30's 40.s or 50's..He was fucked up way before that.. I'd bet the farm on that!

And I never considered you to be stupid because you're one of them..Where the hell did you get that from.. I hate freaking Republicans especially Trump...and Dr. Ronnie fits right in with him..
Yea, I know he worked for Barack, and Obama probably didn't want to get involved with him..

Could imagine what Right Wingers would do if Obama disciplined a Navy Rear Admiral.. The shit which would spew out of their mouths.. calling Obama a globalist military hating President who pacifies Iran and North Korea.. I'm sure he wanted to stay clear of this major problem.

[kydo]

48. Honestly, this whole dr ronny thing is really weird

First, since when does orange thing ever and I mean EVER agree with something Obama says does anything? NEVER! Is when. Yet in this intense he agrees with Obama. So odd.

Second. This drinking story just seems odd.

I think its orange man doing this. I think he realizes he messed up with this pick, probably read or someone read it to him, that Obama liked this guy after he picked him. That and or his co-russian oops, I meant fellow repugs, told him this guy is not qualified. So he is trying to sabotage his own pick so he will withdraw his name and this can be forgotten.

Only dr ronny doesn't seem to want to do that.

Think we might need more popcorn.

[busterbrown]

49. buttered? n/t

[kydo]

60. We will need a variety. This is gonna be nuts.

Cheese, caramel, soaked in butter, lightly buttered, middle buttered, and for the really boring peeps, plain. The whole enchilada.

[LanternWaste]

32. CDC has 17% of alcoholics developing the problem between the ages of 45 and 55.

" Those who have alcohol problems don't usually begin when they are near 50..."

CDC has 17% of alcoholics developing the problem between the ages of 45 and 55. That's not a small number.

[busterbrown]

34. 17 out of 100?

thats relatively small don't ya think..?

[Corvo Bianco]

54. This is funny because I didn't post this reply somewhere else earlier this evening after deciding

I wasn't up for the outcry

[GusBob]

9. Latest stories are drinking problems on overseas trips

While traveling with Obama.

I think they are going to blame Obama now.

Damned if he did, damned if he didn't

[onenote]

40. Some of the incidents being reported absolutely occurred while Obama was president

I don't know why they weren't reported up the line or if they were why they weren't acted on. But we can't pretend this guy suddenly went off the rails 15 months ago after being a boy scout all the years before that.

[leanforward]

2. Keep in mind Obama did . .

have Flynn resign from DIA.

But, I do think that given the mind set of the RWNJs, that he may not have acted in order to avoid RWNJs outcry.

I point to the turtle, when presented with the intelligence info on the russian/soviet interference in our election(s).

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

4. Good point.

Sure miss President Obama.

[MaryMagdaline]

52. I think he might have felt White House physician to be an

Innocuous position. I think the poster is right. Obama had to pick his battles. Why humiliate Dr. Jackson?

Now we can't afford to look the other way. Veterans lives depend on it.

[EffieBlack]

12. There's world of difference between keeping someone on as your personal physician, on one hand and,

on the other, making him a Cabinet Secretary, putting him in charge of the second-largest department in government and placing him 17th in the line of presidential succession.

[mucifer]

51. But, he had 70 people working under him. Many complained in 2012

I am sure President Obama wouldn't promote him further . But, still this is disappointing. Someone in the Obama administration was his boss and nothing was done.

[former9thward]

13. Who promoted him to Rear Admiral?

Why it was President Obama! Obama had nothing but praise for Dr. Ronny Jackson. BTW that is his name not "Ronnie Johnson". The idea that he was afraid of the right wing so he was trapped in who he had as his personal doctor is laughable. Come up with some other conspiracy. Attacks on Dr. Jackson are attacks on President Obama's character and judgment.

[spooky3]

14. Strange that there are no dates anywhere on the form. Did this precede the IG report? nt

[GusBob]

16. I wish people would understand what you are trying to say

On his performance review President Obama hand wrote

"He has earned my complete trust and respect"

So he had a lot of people fooled. I don't think President Obama would nominate him for the VA though without proper vetting

[former9thward]

22. I don't think President Obama would appoint him his personal doctor without vetting.

I think it is just smears against Jackson by disgruntled former White House employees.

[ecstatic]

29. High functioning Alcoholics can go through cycles

of complete abstinence from liquor and excellent work, to the complete opposite. That recommendation could be a snapshot in time. Takes nothing away from President Obama's judgment. Either way, Jackson is not qualified to run the VA.

[busterbrown]

36. Give Me A Break..

The guy was an alcoholic and a drug addict.. He was and still is a manipulative man..

Do you really think Obama today would go out on a limb for this guy.

Alcoholics drink on the job and they do not stop.. His probably out of control as well.. Dispersing dangerous pills to other employees? Do you really think Obama was aware of this stuff.. If he did..He wanted probably to stay clear of it. Hard to believe that you feel Obama had so much invested in this guy who he met with what? Once a month.

Where the hell did I state that Obama was afraid of the Right Wing? Man are you up the wrong tree. I simply stated my feelings of how the Right Wing would have started with the bullshit about how he disrespects the military.. For Christ sakes, they didn't want to even give him credit for killing Osama!

My honest opinion is that the whole Dr. Ronnie's background of being a drunk and a pill pusher was probably something Obama wasn't aware of. He wrote his review in the manner expected.. Praising him with general comments, just to get it done.. You really think Obama thought about this guy that much?

[former9thward]

37. "Praising him with general comments, just to get it done"

I guess you did not read the review. Obama said to "promote him to Rear Admiral now". With the now underlined. That's a general comment??? Just to get it done??? Who else did Obama promote into the top leadership of the military "just to get it done"???

Yes, I do think Obama thought about him. He would not have made him his personal physician if he didn't. I think the attacks on Jackson are personal slander against both Jackson and Obama's judgment. And I think they are BS.

[busterbrown]

38. You really think that the attacks against Jackson are also'..

an attack against Obama.. You really believe that...? Oh Please.. You think Obama would have still written such a glowing review if he knew Jackson was peddling drugs, consuming alcohol on his watch,or knocking on female associates doors at night?.. Or do you think these charges are bogus? How ridiculous!

[former9thward]

42. The IG report was written in 2012.

Obama promoted him to personal physician in 2013. He then promoted him to Admiral. President Obama knew the charges were BS by disgruntled ex-employees who were passed over.

[busterbrown]

39. Did you just hear

The New allegations.. He "wrecked a govt car while driving Intoxicated" "He couldn't be reached because he was passed out" More and More to come.. He toast and you know it.. I'm sure Obama would not have given Ronnie glowing reviews if he knew this stuff.. You think?

[former9thward]

43. So NO ONE in the Obama White House told Obama

what his personal doctor was doing?

[busterbrown]

50. You try not to bother the Pres. with bullshit..

" You really think that a perfectly fit Pres Obama wants to get updates on this lunatic?

Really I'm amazed how you stood behind this jerk.. Just because Obama gave him a good review?

This guy is a sick evil bastard.. and yet still supported by some..

Oh well..

[former9thward]

55. So Obama promotes him to a senior position in the military

and promotes him to his personal doctor but NO ONE wants to bother him with "updates". Wow, the things people believe -- or claim to on the internet ...

[underthematrix]

47. President Obama would have gotten rid of him if any of this were true.

This is how they ran Al Franken out of time.

[cally]

15. My guess, he gave out drugs for overseas trips

So staff loved him. I’ve listened to administrators trying to retrain physicians to not prescribe like this and the pressure is tremendous to prescribe.

I also think if he drank on overseas trips and passed out while on duty that he also did this at home or elsewhere. It is not normal to drink and pass out when you are on call

[busterbrown]

19. Again I'll state...

Any sane owner of a business would not tolerate drinking at work.. If one is drinking at work and unless it's a matter of a promotion or a holiday party, they have a definite problem.. The problem is the fact that alcoholics feel terrible the next day after a binge.. They can not function well (yea i know about Churchill) so they almost have to drink to maintain some kind of stability the next day.. they don't choose to drink at work, they have to.. I repeat, unless it's some kind of unusual situation.. Those who drink at work lets say more than 3 or 4 times a year, not including holidays and promotions have a serious problem.

[phleshdef]

18. The more likely answer is Obama didn't know anything about it.

One man can't micromanage every government employee. Its not humanly possible.

[busterbrown]

20. Yea and I bet he tried to stay away

from this stink ball of a situation... Last thing...the last thing O wanted to do is fire a member of the military... Scummy Repubs would blast on him. anti military president

[exboyfil]

26. Great point

Whoever was his commanding officer should be the one in question. In matters like this the UCMJ should be followed. If anything, unless it becomes a political issue or dramatically impacts readiness to the point of intervention, the correct course is to let the military handle its own discipline.

[OnDoutside]

23. Amazing how all these accusations didn't come out years ago. Not that he should get the VA job but

it is odd to be on the end of these accusations right now.

[mucifer]

53. The accusations were made in 2012. That's what makes it so disappointing.

[former9thward]

56. Obama promoted him in 2013.

[mucifer]

57. Wow that really sucks.

Rachel sure didn't focus on that.

[busterbrown]

59. Are you still trying to defend this jerk.?

i thought by now you would have admitted to yourself.....I'll leave the rest to you.

I'll never understand why you backed this sick man.

[former9thward]

62. Why did Obama promote him after the IG report?

Why did he make him his personal doctor after the IG report? Because he knew it was inter bureaucratic fighting and BS. Everything whispers and nothing real.

[busterbrown]

63. Man alive Your desperate..

Still blaming Obama.. It amazes me how you won't admit that you're absolutely wrong.. And still point out that Obama gave the Sick Doc a good review.. And base your whole argument around the stellar review he gave Dr. Ron... Do you realize how many reviews a President has to write a year for W.H. Employees he hardly knows... He asks his assistants, aids, and advisors to give him the skinny. It's obvious they did not know who Dr.. Ronnie was..

Advice.. Let it go.. It's only gonna get worse for the Dr.

[former9thward]

64. So NO ONE in the Obama White House knew who he was?

No one was willing to tell Obama? What kind of people did Obama have working for him that had no knowledge of people so close to him? And BTW a President writes very few employee reviews. The only one blaming Obama here is you as you ignore his hand written glowing review and you ignore Obama demanding he be promoted to the Admiral rank now.

How come no one has asked Obama about this? Obama is not living the life of a hermit. He has a spokesperson paid by the taxpayer. Why is no one asking him what he thinks? Is it perhaps no one wants to hear the answer?

[busterbrown]

65. I quess noone itold Obama..

Because Obama put together a stupiid Administrative Staff.

You see how your reasoning destroys your own argument..?

[ecstatic]

28. I wonder if rethugs covered for Dr Ronnie without Pres Obama's

knowledge? The doc's behavior put the president at risk. The secret service was aware, but did they ever say anything? Or did they keep it quiet until people they actually cared about (white vets) were in the crosshairs?

[TNLib]

35. My guess is he didn't know the problems going on

I doubt he would've kept on a crazy alcoholic as his personal doctor. If I knew my doctor was a dysfunctional drunk I'd find another doctor.

The issue is once you promote someone to a high level cabinet position they need to be vetted. The White House didn't vet this person. If they had they would've been aware of the issues.

[rockfordfile]

41. Well they did that anyway. That's why you have a Republican Congress

[obnoxiousdrunk]

58. Could be that

Obama had contact with Ronnie just once a year for his physical ?

[avebury]

61. While I am no fan of Meghan McCain, the one issue

she is consistent on is Veterans. She, who is as about as Conservative as a Republican can be, mentioned on The View yesteday that she had talked to a friend who is big in some Veterans Organization. His comment to her was, in effect, Veterans by a large percent don't want Jackson as head of the VA. She came out pretty solidly anti-Jackson.

Trump is so well know for routinely picking totally unqualified people for jobs in the Executive Branch that, given Jackson's public comments on Trump's health, I tend to be skeptical about Jackson and his qualifiations. It seems like there should be a way to confirm one way or another the validity of a lot of the claims made against the guy.