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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsmedia excoriates trump for bragging and lying. now known as a liar, political career is in tatters.
donald trump used to have a reputation as an honest and hard-working man.
practically a boy scout.
honest to a fault.
that reputation for honesty has come crashing down after a major gaffe where he lied and overstated his accomplishments.
the media has hammered him relentlessly on this point, quoting political opponent after political opponent, and rarely allowing donald trump to respond or to clarify his statement.
now that it's widely accepted that donald trump is a braggart and a liar, his political fortunes have reversed, and it's now unclear if he has a political future at all.
donald trump's revealing blunder came when he claimed to have invented the internet.
oh, wait. did i say donald trump? i meant al gore.
that's right. *this* is how the media handles bragging and lying when it's a democrat being accused:
first, al gore made a boast about his perfectly legitimate and impressive contributions to making the internet what it is today.
al gore was a key senator in securing funding for the internet way before the world wide web, back when it was only a character-based hookup among military and academic institutions.
second, al gore as vice-president got all major federal government institutions to put *massive* amounts of government data on the internet, making the internet a hugely valuable resource for everyone, including businesses. soon this led to the web being the future of our economy. there's no doubt that al gore was a huge champion of the internet and we have him to thank for all that it became.
al gore never even used the key word "invented". he only claimed to have done more than anyone else in congress in creating the internet. that's a boast that's entirely consistent with the way other politicians get credit for things they legislate or otherwise help bring about. people credit eisenhower with creating the interstate highway system when no one imagines that he spent years pouring asphalt.
so the media and republican politicians *lied* about what al gore said in order to make al gore sound like a liar.
and they harped on this one fabricated quote *relentlessly*, rarely explaining just how much al gore *did* do to make the internet what it became.
i thought it would be good to revisit this smear in light of how the media handles donnie.
in fact, the misquoted "lie" falsely attributed to al gore is actually very much of the sort that donnie does on a daily basis. overstate his accomplishments, take credit for other people's work, and just plain lie.
but the media doesn't harp on any one quote, and never suggests for a moment that he can't govern or that his political future is in doubt because of his lies.
the "worst" the media does is simply repeats his lies, pretending that to simply report them is enough.
the media double standard is huge and hugely biased in favor of republicans.
we knew this back in 2000 when shrub was getting better treatment than gore, but donnie's current treatment makes it all more painfully obvious.
all gore's career was largely ruined over a single quote falsely attributed to him when actual brags and lies from donnie are simply repeated largely without criticism.
liberal bias my ass.
malaise
(269,157 posts)The double standard is real but Fux is a paid ReTHUG operation.
Never forget that Al Gore won the 2000 elections.
Rec
unblock
(52,317 posts)the problem extends far beyond that.
the media does not simply dismiss and ignore what foxnews says and does not properly characterize it as right-wing propaganda.
instead, they repeat their talking points, giving them legitimacy and a wide audience and more air time.
the coverage of those talking points is somewhat less overtly biased, but at a minimum they're letting foxnews prioritize the issues and frame the debates.
the real story about al gore was how he was honest, did in fact to a lot to make the internet what it became, didn't actually say what they said he said, and that the republicans and elements of the media engaged in a concerted effort to unjustly smear someone.
the story wasn't the quote, the story was the smear job. but that's something that the media didn't care to focus on.
malaise
(269,157 posts)That happens when profit supersede truth and democracy.
Al Gore himself knew what was going on - his The Assault on Reason should be mandatory reading in schools and colleges.
It is that assault on reason that has led to all this fake shit and Groper Don the Con.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)I am so sick of MSNBC and CNN rerunning the lies that Fox puts out and then pretend to rebut what they say! They do this over and over 24/7! They constantly repeat the lies on the Clintons Obama and forget they did not research Trump at all. Simply attacked Hillary, promoted Trump.
Thank you for a great post.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"rerunning the lies that Fox puts out..."
Like the fictional pretense that popular music ignores politics? Or are we talking about different types of lies... which yet still lack any evidence to support them?
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our countrys economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."
In context, Gores response (which employed the word created, not invented) was clear in meaning:
The vice president was not claiming that he invented the Internet in the sense of having designed or implemented it, but rather that he was one of the visionaries responsible for helping to bring it into being by fostering its development in an economic and legislative sense.
But the folks who were trying desperately to discredit an honest and decent man took the quote out of context, changed a couple of words, and lied and lied and lied until even today people laugh about Gore saying 'he invented the internet' which he never said or claimed.
And it STILL took the intervention of SCOTUS to deny him the Presidency!
unblock
(52,317 posts)the idea that he would have claimed to have been the geek who actually tinkered with electronics and computer code to be the technical inventor of the internet is completely laughable. no reasonable person would think gore was saying that, any more than ike claimed to pour asphalt to build the interstate highway system.
hey, does anyone think reagan physically, personally, tore down the berlin wall?
our media is completely in the tank for republicans.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Laughed at that one. He said he and Al got a bill passed to provide Internet to all the Schools.
The media lied repeatedly on that one.
Newt also said he would leave Clintons office feeling good that he had won,only to find Clinton had.
Newt occasionally tells the truth. Scarborough said he had a debate with Newt last night.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)FakeNoose
(32,739 posts)... for the first 4 paragraphs, then BOOM!
You made an excellent point Unblock, and you've made it very well. I'll never forget my disappointment over the 2000 race and how Al Gore was cheated just like Hillary was. But the media thrashing he got was so unfair and so hypocritical - especially now, in light of the way the orange asshole gets a free-walk on everything!
Al Gore didn't lose in 2000, it was stolen from him. Just as Hillary's presidency was stolen from her.
NEVER AGAIN!
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)don't forget the Vietnam War Veteran and medal winner who was allowed to be "Swift-boated" in 2004!
NO WAY that should have ever happened - and the "Swift-boat" crew that pushed that BS should be tried for treason along with IQ45 and his troops!
unblock
(52,317 posts)it's one thing for a political party and a campaign and their operatives to smear a political opponent.
that happens in politics, it ain't beanbag, as they say. slimy as it was, i recognize the smear of al gore as part of politics. it's the *media* coverage of it that was particularly shameful, not so much the behavior of the partisan operatives who are, after all, partisan.
but with kerry, they crossed a line smearing a war hero and claiming he lied about his war stories. that's an unforgivable attack on all veterans, imho. the media was shameful on that, in keeping with the al gore tradition, but this time the partisans were doing more than merely attacking a politician.
they undermined the credibility of every veteran who came back with a war story.
that's a line an earlier republican party would never have crossed.
justgamma
(3,666 posts)national tv night after night. Do you know where I saw a person that was actually on the boat? In our tiny, little local news show. Never saw him on the big shows.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)lies mostly in the minds of those who need to understand how media ACTUALLY works in the modern world. The idea has been so thoroughly dissected and debunked that no one should believe it. Even those who decry it admit that their protestations are a smokescreen...a way to influence the ref for perhaps a more favourable call on the next play.
This information has been readily available since at least the Clinton administration, but who looks for information among those adherents? They want only confirmation bias.
unblock
(52,317 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)And very good choice of using the Al Gore example.
Thank you
forgotmylogin
(7,530 posts)Now Trump does this repeatedly, sometimes mid-sentence. Nary a peep.
45 is setting the bar so low that anyone will seem an improvement.
llmart
(15,552 posts)repeatedly talking about his "scream".
robbob
(3,538 posts)That site followed the entire Gore vs Bush election and meticulously documented the false narrative that Gore was a serial exaggerator. Invented the internet was just the start; once the media had an angle on Gore they relentlessly pushed it.
The Howler would track it down: from Rush to Drudge to Faux News to the front pages of the New York Times. It was a shocking documentation of the medias bias and smear tactics. I think the old entries are still up on the net; makes for some interesting reading.
On edit: apparently The Daily Howler DOES still exist as a blogspot. Going to have to check that out. However, dailyHowler.com is an archive of stories going back to 1998!
unblock
(52,317 posts)mountain grammy
(26,646 posts)is exactly what you said. Well said.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)The NYC contractor community has always known hes a crook. If you or I were to decide to build a skyscraper in the Five Boroughs, we might get a bid for $100 million. If Trump builds off the same drawings hell be bid $140 million...that way, when Trump stops paying because hes unilaterally decided hes paid enough, theyll get the $100 million you or I would have stupidly paid just because we have a contract that says we have to.
unblock
(52,317 posts)again, the media missed the story.
a pattern of fraud and deceit. he constantly makes agreements he clearly has no intention of following.
he save money by realizing that if he just refuses to pay, his supplier has to pay a lawyer to sue him. so he can settle for 30%-50% off and the supplier can figure it's worth it to avoid further hassle and to avoid further legal bills. that supplier never does business with donnie again, but there's a long line of fools willing to work for him because the media has pumped him up for decades.
huge abuse of the legal system, which in turn is a huge red flag for a president.
but a non-story as far as the media is concerned.
talking about an empty podium is far more compelling...
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)This guy had the brains to perfect his security interest...so when Trump decided to screw him out of $35,000, the contractor simply foreclosed on the resort. IIRC it cost Otto the Orange $400,000 to get his golf course back.
unblock
(52,317 posts)or, what, someone's going to tell me donnie has the need for more than one lawyer???
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)Tiffany is currently in law school, but all of his children with Ivana Trump have business degrees.
unblock
(52,317 posts)why be a lawyer when you can just pay someone to do that for you?
he wants them trained in how to steer as much money from other people's pockets to his pockets.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)Trump is to the point where he's watching late-night TV to find lawyers, and they're turning him down too.
Within six months to a year, Trump will be a pro se litigant because the contingency-fee law firms won't represent him.
You realize it's going to be so sad for the MAGA crowd and tragic for the rest of us when the president of the United States has to rely on the public defender in his impeachment trial.
But...this is what it'll look like:
unblock
(52,317 posts)in this case it wouldn't help if his kids were lawyers because they've all got their own legal troubles to worry about.
lancelyons
(988 posts)What they hell is she looking at or watching.
Trump lies everytime he talks. How could she get that so far WRONG.
Is it fox news disease? Is all out agressive lying now called being honest?
GOP conservatives are off their rocker.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)Bill Clinton had only one real scandal, although it was a big one. But the reaction to it was also blown so out of the water that it made the reaction the bigger story.
Al Gore with the internet invention
John Kerry with the swift boating, and questioning his purple heart
Al it took was one excited scream on stage for Howard Dean
Obama they had to work harder but they used their vast radio and TV reach to create a strawman...Obamacare = socialism and higher taxes and paying for other brown peoples kids. And pounded on that one issue with I don't know how many attempts at repealing it.
With Hillary they had more than one going. But the two major ones were Benghazi and the emails. They overlapped somewhat, but the Republican MO is to just hammer away at one at a time. It works for them on their limited-attention span base.
Meanwhile Dubya had multiple scandals in his administration. Breaking the international agreements on torture, rendition, and Illegally invading another country. Inventing reasons like the the yellow cake story. Then outing a CIA operative because her husband outed them about it. Illegal data gathering of citizens information. War crimes that went unpunished. I'm sure there was more.
And now Trump had trumped that. Dubya looks like an angel, a goofy angel, compared to the giant ugly slob that is Donald J fucking Trump. Almost daily he adds another either idiotic, or dangerous, or insulting, or cruel action that the media would have spent days, weeks, even months harping about with the help of the goading from their Republican guests that they bend over backwards for so they come back on.
unblock
(52,317 posts)democrats have to be perfect;
super-geniuses who can carry themselves like "real americans";
have extensive experience but not be part of the "washington establishment";
never utter a gaffe;
never wear the wrong clothes;
never get sick;
never fall or stumble;
always look perfect in a photo;
give speeches that are great but not so great they can claim it's all you can do;
and of course be completely free from scandal, even if fabricated by republicans.
meanwhile, republicans have to sign a bill that cuts taxes for the rich.
that's about it.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)trying to prove scandal on whichever Dem that they're going after at any given time. (This is why we can be certain that Obama is practically a saint.) Democrats can hardly ever be bothered with minor stumbles, gaffes or "scandals" by their opponents, even when they could waste a lot of time and money blowing something all out of proportion to their own perceived benefit.
yonder
(9,671 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)Except that, instead of accusing Hillary of lying, knowing that Trump was awful (and they just scratched the surface), they basically drew several (very) false equivalencies between the two candidates to the point that a lot of people wound up thinking that both candidates were equally awful and unworthy, which depressed the vote and then last-minute "questions" were raised again about Hillary and that @$%&$^ e-mail server, which helped ultimately sink her.
radius777
(3,635 posts)because the base was entirely behind him in a way they may not have been in 2000, an election that many viewed as unimportant, in contrast to how 2004 was viewed, as a do-or-die election with all chips on the line.
The base had no real attachment to Kerry, a good man, but if Gore ran it would've really brought out everyone who felt robbed, also would've allowed him to ditch Lieberman and choose someone more liberal. Gore also had no Iraq War Resolution vote (like most of the 2004 Dem candidates did) and iirc had come out against it.
Bill Clinton (who was much younger and still in top campaign form) would've been out there also campaigning for him, unlike in 2000 when Gore foolishly distanced himself from the Big Dog (part of picking the moralizing Lieberman was about that).
Cha
(297,595 posts)Do Not Get me started. I stopped watching in 2002.. I got so DISGUSTED with the SHITE
unblock
(52,317 posts)Cha
(297,595 posts)exponentially worse since then from what I read on DU.
Look at how they were so busy normalizing trump and denigrating Hillary the whole time. And, before that got us into Iraq.
President Obama won in spite of them
kairos12
(12,870 posts)samplegirl
(11,496 posts)Shouldnt he of said instead...there is nothing for him to flip? Why didnt media call him out as guilty as hell???
Nitram
(22,869 posts)He's done it to both Democrats and Republicans, and they all know his "word" is worthless. If you someone can't be trusted to keep their side of a bargain, they have no political future.
unblock
(52,317 posts)Nitram
(22,869 posts)does as long as they can get another right wing judge on the Supreme Court.
unblock
(52,317 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)They have a number of right-wing billionaire media moguls that do their dirty work for them so they can just throw their hands up and play innocent. If there is a swamp, Faux News, Sinclair Broadcasting and all the right-wing talk radio groups are it.
Question: How many times have we seen any of the right-wing media owners such as Murdoch called out in a major media interview over any of the thousands of lies they have spread about progressive politicians?
They all stay hidden in gated communities and penthouses and travel on private jets and yachts, thereby avoiding any exposure to the public. Yet, I would submit this group is doing as much or more damage to our governments, cultures, and societies as any one group of politicians. And, they don't come for re-election every few years!
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