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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 08:18 AM Apr 2018

Juan Williams: GOP support for Trump begins to crack

Juan Williams: GOP support for Trump begins to crack
BY JUAN WILLIAMS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 04/23/18 06:00 AM EDT

What are we to make of arch-conservative Republican Sen. Thom Tillis (N.C.) taking a stand against President Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky)?

Tillis is among a surprising group of Senate Republicans backing a bill to protect Special Counsel Robert Mueller in case Trump fires him.

Here is Tillis, who votes with Trump 96 percent of the time, sending the message to his fellow Trump backers:

“The same people who would criticize me for filing this bill would be absolutely angry if I wasn’t pounding the table for this bill if we were dealing with Hillary Clinton,” he said last week. “So, spare me your righteous indignation.”

With less than seven months until the midterm elections, the most politically savvy Republicans are drawing the obvious conclusion from current polls: If the election were held today, they would lose the House and possibly the Senate because of Trump.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/384374-juan-williams-gop-support-for-trump-begins-to-crack
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Juan Williams: GOP support for Trump begins to crack (Original Post) workinclasszero Apr 2018 OP
2018 mid-terms Iliyah Apr 2018 #1
YEP Cosmocat Apr 2018 #23
But there are those who will back Trump to get reelection! imanamerican63 Apr 2018 #2
Not just because of tRump Scarsdale Apr 2018 #3
Trump's got something on all of them? bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #5
#fakepresident supporters Cary Apr 2018 #8
Putin has provided Pres. Turd with reams of Kompromat on the whole RePutin Party. lagomorph777 Apr 2018 #14
I would guess blackmail as well! usaf-vet Apr 2018 #28
Exactly why DownriverDem Apr 2018 #4
96% vote in line does not an independent make dembotoz Apr 2018 #6
Good point! workinclasszero Apr 2018 #12
GOP Congress is a reflection of their base Mr. Ected Apr 2018 #7
#🌊🌊🌊 #FlipItBlue #BlueWave2018 #VoteThemOUT riversedge Apr 2018 #9
My American Civics recollections are fuzzy. Can a vote be forced without Tarc Apr 2018 #10
Sorta zipplewrath Apr 2018 #11
Some of these mofos are figuring out that Pence would be an equally bullwinkle428 Apr 2018 #13
Trump is infinitely worse. Pence would be hobbled by the Trump disaster plus he is an EXTREMELY anneboleyn Apr 2018 #18
It could come to that Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #20
I wouldn't believe Juan Williams marybourg Apr 2018 #15
I agree not to believe pundits. But this is a factual statement. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #17
So is the roundness of the earth. marybourg Apr 2018 #30
Exactly. So whoever points out the roundness of the earth is correct, regardless of who he is.nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #31
But if it were Juan Williams, marybourg Apr 2018 #32
A Repub with cajones? Quick, take a picture before he's extinct! Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #16
Looming massive electoral defeat workinclasszero Apr 2018 #19
Time to "remember your people........" MyOwnPeace Apr 2018 #21
I respect Juan Williams JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #22
We need to remember that republicans are slow, it took them awhile to turn on GW Bush too. Mr. Sparkle Apr 2018 #24
They got their masters their tax cuts n/t hibbing Apr 2018 #25
I hope they have come to that realization too late. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #26
I don't think that Williams' assertion is entirely supported by the evidence Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2018 #27
KICK.. I wish. Cha Apr 2018 #29

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
1. 2018 mid-terms
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 08:33 AM
Apr 2018

If it wasn't happening they still would be having a man crush on him, although many still do because they are insane.

Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
23. YEP
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:50 AM
Apr 2018

He won the nomination for a reason, the party has brainwashed itself to such an absurd level, he truly represents what it is now.

3 years of this thing where they get petulent about him at times, but when push comes to shove, they get in line like the obedient pods they are.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
3. Not just because of tRump
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 08:41 AM
Apr 2018

but also the top tier of the gop who protect him. They are dismantling the entire government, and getting huge tax cuts for their owners. They do not represent their constituents, only wealthy contributors. Worth mentioning is that the gop got a lot of $$$$ from Russia. Why are they not called TRAITORS? We know tRump is being blackmailed, but what is their excuse?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. Putin has provided Pres. Turd with reams of Kompromat on the whole RePutin Party.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 09:36 AM
Apr 2018

And, of course, Kompromat on Turd himself.

#NRAROUBLES factor into this big time; a very efficient way to generate Kompromat.

usaf-vet

(6,207 posts)
28. I would guess blackmail as well!
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 11:22 AM
Apr 2018

I think we would be kidding ourselves if we thought our Congressional leaders weren't also being surveilled by the Russian operatives in and out of the country.

DownriverDem

(6,231 posts)
4. Exactly why
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 08:46 AM
Apr 2018

All left leaners need to vote for the Dems in November. That is the only way to slow/stop the trump/repub agenda.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
7. GOP Congress is a reflection of their base
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 08:50 AM
Apr 2018

And not necessarily Trump himself. As long as their voters continue to support him, no matter how incredulous that may be, those spineless reps and senators will toe the line.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
10. My American Civics recollections are fuzzy. Can a vote be forced without
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 09:05 AM
Apr 2018

the Senate majority leader's consent?

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
11. Sorta
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 09:19 AM
Apr 2018

I can find the specific process, but it'd be hard. Someone would have to pick the right moment to make a motion to bring it to the floor and then a majority of the Senate would have to support it. I don't think it's ever been done before.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
18. Trump is infinitely worse. Pence would be hobbled by the Trump disaster plus he is an EXTREMELY
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 09:54 AM
Apr 2018

dull — zero charisma — individual. The national audience saw little of him during the election, and Pence is dreadful on his own. For example, if Trump resigned or whatever, Pence would be hobbled to some degree by negative public sentiment plus he is an extremely dull and charmless politician on his own. He makes Ryan and McConnell look like George Clooney. Pence was disliked in Indiana — likely the most red state of red states.

It’s true that Republicans might think that Pence could just sign bills but this isn’t going to matter that much anyway if public sentiment turns hard against the republicans. And Pence will be a dreadful rep for the party as he is the very definition of a cardboard cutout.

MyOwnPeace

(16,937 posts)
21. Time to "remember your people........"
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:44 AM
Apr 2018

The Pubs have spent this much time of this administration getting what they want regardless of the cost to their constituents. Now, however, since it's getting close to election time they're gonna' let their people know how much they mean to them. They count on their people to have a short memory (and, of course, they do!) plus they'll throw out a few guaranteed winning phrases (gun rights, Muslim terror threats, racist alarms) and expect their constituents to send them back to DC.

JustAnotherGen

(31,879 posts)
22. I respect Juan Williams
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:45 AM
Apr 2018

however - I think he is wrong about this. The 'elected' officials might be cracking - but 45/140's voters are all in with 45 - and anyone (like the coal mine guy in WV) who supports 45 as part of their campaign to get rid of Republican elected officials.

Mr. Williams is not making clear the distinction between elected and the voters.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
26. I hope they have come to that realization too late.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 11:04 AM
Apr 2018

I'd be devastated to see their numbers start to climb ahead of the mid-terms.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
27. I don't think that Williams' assertion is entirely supported by the evidence
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 11:06 AM
Apr 2018

In this case, we have two Republican Senators pushing for a bill to protect Robert Mueller that won't see the light of day in the House and may not even make it onto the floor of the Senate to be voted on and ignoring the threats of their Majority Leader to quash the bill. I wouldn't say that that is a serious "crack" in support of Trump. Tillis has actually been pushing this bill-with bipartisan support- for awhile now too. He's also trying to drag Hillary Clinton into the argument as well. I'm sure Williams means well but Trump is in no danger of losing Republican support or protection in Congress unless the Republicans wind up in the minority after the November elections.

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