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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor anyone wondering if Trump is lying when he says he didn't spend the night in Moscow....
....meet Yulya Alfrerova. She--along with former husband Artem Klyushin and their good buddy Konstantin Rykov--are names you really, really, really ought to look into. I mean, seriously. Look into them. There is a whole boatload of fascinating stuff about them. Trust me when I say you should do a thorough Google search on all three.
Anyways, Alferova--along with Klyushin--spent a considerable amount of time with Trump when he came to Moscow in 2013 for the Miss Universe pageant. And as far as we know, that's the only time Alferova and Trump interacted face to face.
With that in mind, note these pictures Alferova posted on her Twitter account that were taken during the 2013 visit.
A couple of things. First the fact that Alferova was pimping Trump as a presidential candidate all the way back in January 2014--a year and a half before he officially announced--should raise all sorts of alarm bells.
But secondly, you'll note the different clothing and tie colors. Now, it's possible he changed his tie during the day for whatever reason, but it does suggest a variety of different events which clash with Trump's "parachute in and out all in one day" account he gave to Comey.
Note how Alferova describes the visit by Trump:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/she-met-donald-trump-at-the-moscow-ritz-not-that-way
To prove it, Alferova pulled out a screenshot of Trumps post. See, he came on November 9, worked all day, partied all night, and left. I am not even sure if he spent the night at the Ritz, Alferova insisted.
Of course, we have the testimony of Keith Schiller, Trump's bodyguard, who reportedly said that Trump did in fact stay the night at the Ritz. But note how she is aware that Trump "partied all night" in Moscow.
This seriously conflicts with what Trump told Comey, which was that he "arrived in the morning, did events, then showered and dressed for the pageant at the hotel .... and left for the pageant. Afterwards, he returned only to get his things because they departed for New York by plane that same night."
Now, why would Russians be willing to admit that Trump partied the night away after the pageant while Trump himself claims he high-tailed his way out of there once the pageant was done?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,114 posts)anybody??
JDC
(10,130 posts)Will do the google that you suggest. Thx
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,191 posts)It's what he wore at the pageant itself.
Now, again, maybe he was wearing a red tie in the afternoon and switched it out for the pageant in the evening. Still doesn't explain why he didn't mention partying all night.
FWIW, Alferova on November 10, 2013 claimed Trump was still in Moscow:
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JDC
(10,130 posts)And it's color is odd.
Thx for the post.
procon
(15,805 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)unless I had something spill on my tie, I would almost never change it during the day. Maybe Trump is different, but I don't recall too many other guys in the office changing ties, either.
Maybe the pee splashed onto his tie?
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)they are real. I hope people do make sure that the images are real as a fake photo wont help anything. I hope more solid evidence emerges that shows that he did stay overnight, etc.
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)But that may be normal for trump, especially since it's not up his ass.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Merlot
(9,696 posts)Looks like she's standing with a card-board cutout of trumpft. He looks to young, and the lighting is all wrong.
procon
(15,805 posts)his own pageant. He was the big star and there were lots of women to be grabbed. It was a big gala and he would be schmoozing with lots of influential and decadently rich Russian VIPs who would lavish praise on him for managing a successful show.
I makes no sense that he would do something so out of character and leave without attending.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There is copious evidence that he spent at least one night, probably two, in Moscow.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,191 posts)....that he didn't fire Comey due to the Russia investigation when he's on TV with Lester Holt admitting just as much that he did.
But that all goes to show to the extent what little regard Donald Trump has for the actual truth. He will bullshit you to your face with all the facts proving he is wrong right in front of him.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Well said.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)FakeNoose
(32,722 posts)Link to rolled out thread here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/970008642308202496.html
This was posted on 3/3/18 by Seth Abramson.
According to this, it's clear that Trump did stay overnight in Moscow at the Ritz Carlton hotel during the Moscow beauty pageant event. There are several Russians who can verify Trump's activities and this particular thread (with multiple entries) is about Nastya Rybka and Oleg Deripaska.
Abramson says that the CIA has confirmed to the BBC that they have a video of "of a sexual nature" and Trump is on it. This is stated in #23 of the rolled-out thread. The Russian woman Nastya Rybka was trying to get asylum to come to the US and testify, but she's being held somewhere away from the international media now. Abramson thinks she's maybe in Thailand (?) or else unknown whereabouts.
Oleg Deripaska and Paul Manafort are well-known to each other and probably had back-channel communications before and during the Trump campaign. Deripaska is a wealthy oligarch and Manafort owes him a lot of money. Nastya Rybka is or was the fiancee of Deripaska, so she has info on the activities with Trump and Manafort while they were in Moscow.
There are a lot of details on this very long thread, and not all of it is about the 2 days that Trump spent in Moscow. But it does confirm that a pee-tape or a "kompromat" tape of some type does exist and Trump is on it.
The woman shown here in this tweet (Alferova Yulya) is not the same woman, but she may be connected with the Moscow Beauty pageant. It seems that Trump spent time with several different Russians while he was there, and he never did meet Putin on that visit.
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)anything to do with Russia, OK? Believe him.