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So the IG has referred McCabe to the Justice Department and recommended (Original Post) malaise Apr 2018 OP
Fascists do this. I just hope at least 30 million of you out there are AS angry as I am Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #1
Kakistocracy. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #2
He may actually be guilty of crimes blake2012 Apr 2018 #3
Not in Trump world. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #19
All previous Justice people on TV say what he did could he grounds for termination onecaliberal Apr 2018 #29
that IG keeps getting "glowing reviews" re: his record and supposed integrity... hlthe2b Apr 2018 #4
Everyone has a price or a secret!!! atreides1 Apr 2018 #5
+100! arthritisR_US Apr 2018 #12
The IG has been compromised. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #18
That IG was also appointed by Obama. shanny Apr 2018 #23
The only way this POS in the WH is going to be stopped is winning BOTH the House and the Senate still_one Apr 2018 #6
Agree. It is the only way. Voters brought him into this world & voters can take him out, too. Wwcd Apr 2018 #8
The IG is accusing him of lying under oath Azathoth Apr 2018 #7
You are right SCantiGOP Apr 2018 #11
I don't believe it at all...the IG has been corrupted bad for democracy. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #15
The circumstances or suspicious...it looks like a trap for McCabe. They asked him Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #17
It wasn't a friggin' leak though, not only did he absolutely have the authority to talk to the WSJ . mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #22
That's not the story Comey is telling Azathoth Apr 2018 #24
You don't get to go back and "correct the record" after you get caught perjuring yourself Azathoth Apr 2018 #25
He didn't change his testimony he added to it...he wasn't the leaker but he did allow other Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #26
You sound like McCabe's lawyer, making all kinds of allegations Azathoth Apr 2018 #32
McCabe was railroaded...that is my opinion...the IG is dirty and I fear for the Clintons Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #33
THANK YOU leftynyc Apr 2018 #21
The story had already been leaked. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #27
How will you feel when the IG recommends prosecuting Hillary Clinton? Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #34
So what? leftynyc Apr 2018 #38
No one is arguing that it does. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #30
Pretty sure at least a few people are defending him solely based on that fact Azathoth Apr 2018 #35
If I were t-rump and the other lying cronies Iliyah Apr 2018 #9
Trump wants his revenge, and he always retaliates against anyone he thinks procon Apr 2018 #10
Horrible...he went back and said hey I said I wasn't the leaker and I wasn't but I gave permission Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #13
If McCabe is guilty of what he is accused, then he should be charged. That said, McCabe is adamant OnDoutside Apr 2018 #14
Our institutions are not holding, they are getting perverted... HipChick Apr 2018 #16
Well today, it's McCabe. TrishaJ Apr 2018 #20
And a corrupt IG might give it to them. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #28
When "no reasonable prosecutor" proceeds with any charges... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #31
This is about as much a "witch hunt" as the investigation of Trump's associates. PoliticAverse Apr 2018 #36
I'll be blown away if he's convicted ... the way he came out swinging immediately, publicly ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #37

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
1. Fascists do this. I just hope at least 30 million of you out there are AS angry as I am
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:11 PM
Apr 2018

so we can make a REAL point at some point.

Otherwise, they will do what they want to who they want when they want.

 

blake2012

(1,294 posts)
3. He may actually be guilty of crimes
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:11 PM
Apr 2018

Despite the clear witch hunt by Trump against him, who are to say what he did or didn’t do? Most IG’s are pretty fair.

onecaliberal

(32,864 posts)
29. All previous Justice people on TV say what he did could he grounds for termination
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:52 PM
Apr 2018

Not criminal charges. It is unprecedented in American history.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
4. that IG keeps getting "glowing reviews" re: his record and supposed integrity...
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:12 PM
Apr 2018

but, I'm starting to wonder... Admittedly there is a lot I don't know, but this just smells of political set-up.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
5. Everyone has a price or a secret!!!
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:14 PM
Apr 2018

Especially an IG whose future depends on the narcissist in the White House!!!

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
23. That IG was also appointed by Obama.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:01 PM
Apr 2018

Sometimes the enemy of our enemy (i.e. McCabe) should not be our friend.

And btw caution was being urged by some close to the situation when McCabe was being targeted and then fired.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
6. The only way this POS in the WH is going to be stopped is winning BOTH the House and the Senate
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:16 PM
Apr 2018

Winning only the House is not enough.


 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
8. Agree. It is the only way. Voters brought him into this world & voters can take him out, too.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:37 PM
Apr 2018

I think someone's dad said that same thing about his kids.

Azathoth

(4,610 posts)
7. The IG is accusing him of lying under oath
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:37 PM
Apr 2018

That's a serious charge worthy of prosecution.

Trump hating on McCabe does not make him a good or ethical guy.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
11. You are right
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 03:10 PM
Apr 2018

I don’t understand the knee jerk reactions here saying he is being set up. I would tend to accept the IG findings until evidence shows otherwise.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
17. The circumstances or suspicious...it looks like a trap for McCabe. They asked him
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 03:19 PM
Apr 2018

are you the leaker he says no...but he asked his agents to discuss issue with journalist...so he goes back and sets the records straight...IG is corrupted.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
22. It wasn't a friggin' leak though, not only did he absolutely have the authority to talk to the WSJ .
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 03:56 PM
Apr 2018

simply due to his position as Dep. Director AND Media Liason, he also cleared it through the FBI Director Comey before he spoke to them.

There was nothing either clandestine, nor unauthorized, about what he did, therefore 'leaking' is a ridiculous term to use to begin with.

He was 100% totally correct in saying 'no I did NOT leak any info'. That term implies lack of authority and secrecy, neither of which applied in this case.

This is an f'ing joke.

Azathoth

(4,610 posts)
24. That's not the story Comey is telling
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:38 PM
Apr 2018

Comey testified to the IG that McCabe did not inform him of the "leak." In addition to the three counts of lying to investigators, the IG has also leveled a fourth count of lying to Comey (which was not under oath, but would still be a firing offense under FBI regs).

Azathoth

(4,610 posts)
25. You don't get to go back and "correct the record" after you get caught perjuring yourself
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:46 PM
Apr 2018

(Unless, of course, you're Jeff Sessions.)

According to the report, McCabe kept denying knowledge of the leak until he was directly confronted with evidence, at which he point he admitted he had authorized it and then tried to push it all off on "miscommunication and misunderstanding and lapses in memory."

Come on.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
26. He didn't change his testimony he added to it...he wasn't the leaker but he did allow other
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:49 PM
Apr 2018

FBI officials to talk to journalist. There will never be a prosecution....the IG is dirty...or he has to do this to justify firing the guy two days before his retirement. Th IG serves at Trump's pleasure. Maybe Trump has something on the guy or maybe he just wants to keep his job. But he is compromised in some way.

Azathoth

(4,610 posts)
32. You sound like McCabe's lawyer, making all kinds of allegations
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:03 PM
Apr 2018

There is not, as yet, any evidence that the IG is dirty.

McCabe told investigators that he did not authorize the leak and did not know where it came from. After getting caught in subsequent interviews, he kept trying to "amend" that statement and squirm around, claiming at different times, that he never said what the investigators recorded him as saying, that he didn't remember what he had told them but that they "must have got it wrong" somehow, that he was "surprised" and taken off guard by the questions they asked and thus forgot about authorizing the leak, etc.

Again, come on. This sounds like a classic case of a guy lying to cover himself, and then subsequently trying to wriggle out of it once he realizes that investigators have some kind of evidence.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
33. McCabe was railroaded...that is my opinion...the IG is dirty and I fear for the Clintons
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:09 PM
Apr 2018

and others...just wait.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
21. THANK YOU
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 03:28 PM
Apr 2018

I have no idea why so many DUers are upset that this turd who made sure the investigation into Hillary just before the campaign was made public is upset at the IG for punishing him for that. The enemy of our enemy is NOT always your friend.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
27. The story had already been leaked.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:50 PM
Apr 2018

This is about fighting the obstruction charge by compromising all the witnesses. The election is over. I want Trump to pay for what he did...this sort of thing only helps him.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
38. So what?
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:21 AM
Apr 2018

They have been chasing their tails with her for decades. I'm not willing to turn my eyes from all other problems she may have legally just to get Donnie. And I cry no tears for McCabe. The cons have a talking point that the fib was trying to help Hillary and hurt Donnie, the truth puts that nonsense to rest. Mueller is not going to indict Donnie- he's just not. The report is going to go to congress, what WE have power to do is make sure it's being controlled by a Democrats.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
30. No one is arguing that it does.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:53 PM
Apr 2018

"Trump hating on McCabe does not make him a good or ethical guy...."

No one is arguing that it does. Though one may presume the corollary is also true, yes?

Azathoth

(4,610 posts)
35. Pretty sure at least a few people are defending him solely based on that fact
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:17 PM
Apr 2018

I don't think we are served by going out on a limb defending either McCabe or Comey, especially when an ostensibly neutral investigator like the IG is the one leveling charges. We shouldn't play into the GOP framing of "If these guys are guilty of what the IG says, then everything they touched, including the Russia investigation, collapses." The legitimacy of the Russia investigation really needs to be kept separate from these guys' personal ethics, and we won't be helping our own credibility by rushing to defend them and attacking the IG if it turns out the IG is correct.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
9. If I were t-rump and the other lying cronies
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:43 PM
Apr 2018

I would walk very softy. This will backfire onto t-rump 24/7

procon

(15,805 posts)
10. Trump wants his revenge, and he always retaliates against anyone he thinks
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:46 PM
Apr 2018

opposed him. The Justice Department is ethically and morally wrong to use the power of the US government to strike back at people at Trump's command.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
13. Horrible...he went back and said hey I said I wasn't the leaker and I wasn't but I gave permission
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 03:16 PM
Apr 2018

for the FBI to talk to reporters on this issue...It scares me that there is obvious corruption in an office view as not political. Clearly Trump has influenced the head of this department.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
14. If McCabe is guilty of what he is accused, then he should be charged. That said, McCabe is adamant
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 03:17 PM
Apr 2018

he has evidence to the contrary. He might eventually be vindicated but the right will have their scapegoat/evidence for their "witchhunt".

TrishaJ

(798 posts)
20. Well today, it's McCabe.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 03:22 PM
Apr 2018

GOP fascists have asked for criminal investigations also of Hillary (again), Comey and Lynch.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
31. When "no reasonable prosecutor" proceeds with any charges...
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:59 PM
Apr 2018

McCabe is going to get what he is due - and then some!

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
36. This is about as much a "witch hunt" as the investigation of Trump's associates.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:00 PM
Apr 2018

The Inspector General, Michael E. Horowitz, was appointed by President Obama in 2012.

The IG found that McCabe lied under oath.

It's unfortunate that some Democrats are behaving like Donald Trump and accusing people of engaging
in a "which hunt" when they don't like the results of an investigation.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
37. I'll be blown away if he's convicted ... the way he came out swinging immediately, publicly ...
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:55 PM
Apr 2018

after the firing, insisting that the accusations were false ... if he knew they were true, esp. to the point of being criminal in nature (though he did admittedly apparently have to clear up some poor initial communication on his part, so maybe that's the beef) ... I just can't see someone who'd risen to the level that McCabe had in the FBI would be someone dumb enough to not only demonstrably lie under oath, but also compound his troubles by then turning around and lying to the public in a press release saying he did not lie under oath.

Put it this way, I'll be keen to learn the details when they become available, what he lied about, why, what he had to clear up later, what authority he actually had as DD of FBI and Media Liaison to 'make the calls' he did if he made them w/o clearing with Comey.

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