Chumpy's appearance is fair game for ridicule.

[MoonRiver]

When that POS mocked a person with a disability, and the physical characteristics of everybody he was running against, I stopped caring about his tender sensibilities regarding his horribly flawed and disgusting persona. In my opinion, bring on the humiliation and let that scum of the earth taste a bit of his own medicine.

[malaise]

1. +1,000

Rec

[DemocracyMouse]

111. Um, sorry for my naivete (accent disabled), what does "+1000" mean? Does it have some coding effect?

...effect?

[malaise]

112. Way more than I agree 100%

[DemocracyMouse]

115. So what happens if I write +googolplex?

[demigoddess]

2. +1000

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

3. + Pi

[n2doc]

4. Agree

Let the pearl-clutchers suck eggs.

[SWBTATTReg]

5. I'm surprised that they (powers that be) don't have a broadway play ...

that depicts tRUMP in all of his idiotic ranting, appearances, and so called 'presidential' edicts/statements/etc.

Such a show would be pretty popular I would think, and would drive tRUMP nuts (well, more nuts that he is already).

[aggiesal]

37. It's called "Saturday Night Live" ...

and it drives IQ45 nuts!

[SWBTATTReg]

91. Yes, and I love them (Sat Nite Live)!! NT

[HipChick]

6. Exactly..I'm tired of the "We are better than this" sentiment..

fight fire with fire..

[onenote]

9. If you don't want to be better than them, why not just be them?

[ChubbyStar]

11. How quaint

Sounds like a Hallmark card.

[BannonsLiver]

64. More like a white flag

[cwydro]

102. How predictable.

Smh.

[LanternWaste]

13. Why reduce your premise to merely two options when many others yet exist?

Why reduce your premise to merely two options when many others yet exist?

Unless of course, yours is simply a self-indulgence to more efficiently advertise how righteous you are at the expense of others... which of course, would necessitate the preclusion of additional possibilities.

[onenote]

15. I was just commenting on a post that didn't seem to be presenting multiple options

But since you raised the issue, to what extent are folks willing to go in the name of "the ends justifies the means"?

Is it okay to mock Trump's appearance? I really don't have a problem with that. Just as I didn't have a problem with cartoonish depictions of other president's appearance.

Is it okay to photoshop a picture of Trump and use that photo as the basis for mocking his appearance? I think not, even if it is something the other side might do.

Is it okay for us to try to suppress republican votes through various forms of deception, intimidation, misinformation since that's what the other side does? Again, I fall on the side of no, it's not. Not because we shouldn't be "like them" but because wrong is wrong no matter who does it.

So my question back to you and to the poster I responded to: is there a point where the ends don't justify the means?

[paleotn]

24. Oh, please.....

If you've not yet figured out the world really doesn't work that way, I'm not sure what else to say. Sorry, but the narrative of "we won't stoop to their level" is a complete and total failure when it comes to moving public opinion. And public opinion wins elections. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is.

[onenote]

39. So where, if at all, do you draw the line?

Or does the ends justify the means no matter what the means? For example, would you support efforts to engage in voter suppression (through misinformation, deception, intimidation) against voters in republican areas?

[SergeStorms]

42. Now you've elevated.....

the issue from appearance to voter suppression. Apparently there's no line for you, either.

[onenote]

43. I didn't see lines being drawn in the post I was responding to, but okay, let's draw that line

I'm fine with mocking Trump's appearance and eating habits just I was fine with cartoonish mocking of previous president's appearance and eating habits.

I'm not fine with photoshopping a picture to provide the basis for the mockery, even if the other side also did that. And to the extent that this discussion was prompted by the photo circulating of Trump with Abe on the golf course, it's been demonstrated that the photo was altered.

You've got my line on the issue.

[True Blue American]

46. Trust me, we do not

Have to photo shop to bring up pictures of trump that are not flattering.

[onenote]

55. I agree.

[Scarsdale]

107. I agree, too.

He is repulsive, no getting around it. He claimed to be on a diet, but he is gaining weight, so he lies too. He deserves to be treated the way he treats others, with ZERO respect. Telling the truth about him makes him crazy, he really thinks he is "King of the World" He mocks other leaders about their appearance, putting the US in jeopardy with the unstable tyrants overseas. He himself is an unstable tyrant. If the ass kissers around him refuse to admit this, then it is up to the rest of us to point out the obvious. The gop will never admit, publicly, that he is a buffoon.

[paleotn]

71. No, the ends don't justify the means

and like most things in life, the line is very hard to draw....but....politics is not a tea party or a scholarly debate, it's a bare knuckle brawl. Always has been. I suggest you read about the presidential race between Quincy Adams and Jackson. Or maybe Jefferson and Adams. It may be enlightening.

[backscatter712]

113. Trump and his cronies want to turn the US into a fascist dictatorship.

So yes, the end (stopping them) justifies a lot of means...

[onenote]

114. A "Lot of means" is a vague cop-out. Draw a line.

Voter suppression?
Star chamber trials for republicans?
Banning speech?
Assassination?

I see a lot of tough talk, but mostly what we're really talking about is how willing we should be to lie, steal or cheat to win elections.

[mythology]

49. The world doesn't work that way because people don't make it work that way

Be the change you want to see and all. Just because somebody does something stupid doesn't mean you need to follow. That Obama guy did pretty well for himself by going high for example.

[poboy2]

63. We should hold our chin up from the rising waters of chaos, unbothered.

Sure, we will drown just the same as we lose our asses and western civilization crumbles. But we might feel superior or good about ourselves -until they KILL US ALL.

[paleotn]

73. Bingo.

Democracy in American, and damn near everywhere else, has never been the scholarly debate many would like it to be. It's a scrap. A street fight. A bare knuckle brawl. It's always been that way and it's irredeemable. I'm not sure where some folks learned their politics, but I learned mine from a democratic machine. Figuratively kicking Rethugs in the face was simple a matter of course. One may work with them to get things done, but come election time, the knives came out.

[mgardener]

31. It is the truth

We are better then them.
If you cannot lead by example, are you really a leader?

I

[A HERETIC I AM]

33. You cant lead...

If the people you are trying to lead refuse to be led

[cwydro]

103. Well said.

[dalton99a]

17. Absolutely.

[LenaBaby61]

60. "I'm tired of the "We are better than this" sentiment..."

Same here, but posting things in that sentiment will get your posts reported and then removed because you're MEAN

I have a few friends (Thank God ONLY a few left now) who STILL don't get that thuglicans don't care if they DIE, because they're still trying to take away their/our health care. thuglicans.don't.give.a.fuck.if.we.have.ANY.health.care. Yet, our side is supposed to be "nice" and "polite" and beg thuglicans to play nice? Really? WHEN did Lyin' Ryan ever play nice? When will Yertle EVER play nice? He tried to destroy Pres. Obama's presidency. He stole a SCOTUS seat, and now that fucker won't put legislation on the Senate floor that'll protect Mueller from being fired by Fatso-In-Chief, and I'm NOT supposed to call him everything but a Child of God? Not be mad as HELL @ a racist, evil POS like him? NAW

Yeah, I'm bringing a machete to a thuglican machete fight. Not a damn marshmallow.

[poboy2]

66. All true. Every sentence.

And don't mention CIA Bush Contra Zapata. They are OLD! Senior citizen abuse!

Apparently aging or dying magically absolves evil fucks for a lifetime of fuckery.

[Nevernose]

99. We might be better than this

But I’m sure as shit not.

[thegoose]

7. Absolutely

Cheap looking suits, long ties, ridiculous hair... We went from the gorgeous Obamas to this schlub and Catwoman?

[csziggy]

65. Don't go insulting Catwoman by comparing her to Melania!

Catwoman had far more grace and fashion sense!

[sarge43]

8. Yes indeed.

You don't want shit; don't start shit.

[Orsino]

10. Counterpoint: ridiculing his appearance is beneath us and is a waste of time.

I will admit that in this alternate reality, Trump is nothing but a facade. I'll even agree that how he looks probably results in part from the many things wrong with him.

But goddammit, I got sick of the Right's fat-ass Hillary bullshit, and won't go quietly into this bad night.

[Mr.Bill]

12. There's plenty to criticize about his actions and words

without discussing his appearance. But sometimes I can't resist, and I don't really feel bad about it.

[bigbrother05]

69. Hard to resist - Bilious, Bloated Buffoon

or Pusillanimous Pisspot

[Rorey]

80. I don't feel bad about it either.

I hardly EVER ridicule someone's appearance, but sometimes it's a stress reliever for me when it comes to 45. He can dish it out, so he's made himself fair game afaic.

[Mr.Bill]

87. And a lot of his personal appearance problems

are his own doing and could be corrected. He wasn't born with that ridiculous hairdo. And his face is not naturally orange.

[More_Cowbell]

14. For me it comes down to Brigitte Macron and Trump's "physical"

People's appearances are the first thing he talks about, and his weight is a constant reminder of the lies about his health.

[dalton99a]

16. Eh, many people are saying that President Trump is the handsomest, youngest, sexiest man alive today

or at any other time in history

[SleeplessinSoCal]

18. he also said Heidi Klum was no longer "a 10".

Meaning he passes judgement on the beautiful. As if a guy who only likes gold for decor had any taste at all.

[bdamomma]

89. We call it

the Twilight Zone when he touches gold and turns himself into a statue. I only wish.

[Mendocino]

106. Trump is Goldmember

even his pee is gold.

[world wide wally]

19. ...and he's stupid too!

[Still In Wisconsin]

20. Why, I wouldn't DREAM of pointing out his sloppy fat belly, his four chins, pouchy eyes, orange

complexion, mouth shaped like a human asshole, expansive flabby ass, ridiculous bleach blonde combover, dull stupid looking eyes, or anything of the sort.

[True Blue American]

47. Neither would I

Or his 70 Lb. Belly!

Ain’t gonna do it! Wouldn’t be prudent!

[Still In Wisconsin]

50. EXCELLENT George H.W. Bush reference my friend!

Wouldn't be pruuuuu-dent!

[smirkymonkey]

67. Nope, me either. I used to believe in taking the high road, but this disgusting

orange sack of flab has completely changed me. BTW, you described him perfectly, especially the dull, stupid looking eyes. He almost looks like he has down's syndrome. Look closely sometimes - if you dare!

[B2G]

21. Unfortunately you are denigrating more than just him.

By flatly stating his weight is disgusting, you are by extension implying that overweight people are disgusting. That fat is something to be abhorred and mocked. That there is something inherently bad about being overweight. That they have no self control, are slovenly and to be looked down upon.

I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.

[True Blue American]

48. No,we are simply

Giving Trump back what he constantly says about others!

Has nothing to do with anyone else. Trump constantly makes fun ot others looks.

[charliea]

61. It's not his weight per se

It's that he lies about it. His doctor, who maybe was promised the VA administrator job, lied about it. His last physical had him grow an inch to 6'3", an inch more than previously reported (who grows after 70?), and kept his weight down to 239. Which by an amazing serendipitous coincidence makes his BMI 29.9. Just inside the obese limit of 30. As a mature, sedentary engineer who is on the other side of the line, at a BMI of ~31, and close to the weight he says he is, although 3 inches shorter, I know I'm slimmer than him.

In the words of today's best young activists, I call BS.

I'd love to see someone bring a scale to his next rally and invite him to demonstrate his avoidance of obesity....

[treestar]

76. It is more that he judges others

Wasn't he calling some woman fat and yet she was in a beauty pageant - he applies a double standard.

[B2G]

79. That doesn't mean we have to. Nt

[smirkymonkey]

92. Honestly, I never make fun of people in ordinary life who are overweight or less than attractive.

I try to see everyone as a human being regardless of what they look like. However Trump is entirely different. He is ugly from the inside out. He never misses a chance to criticize people for what they look like, especially women and he is excessively vain and conceited. He is hideous in every way. His physicality is a manifestation of his internal ugliness. Reminding him of the fact that he is an ugly, fat old man robs him of some of the power that he thinks he has.

[Martin Eden]

22. Fair game, yes; but is it a winning game?

He who lives in the mud wants to drag his opponents down into it to fight on his turf.

[paleotn]

25. We stayed out of his turf in 2016.

Didn't work.

[TheRealNorth]

98. Winning

You don't have to live in the mud, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be adept at fighting in the mud from time to time.

[station agent]

23. Its Not About Him

There are others that hear these insults and some may apply to them and it’s like they are being insulted. It’s the reinforcing of the idea that being fat or ugly or any number of things are bad. Stick to substance and don’t reinforce these bad ideas.

[Ms. Toad]

57. Thank you.

[Adrahil]

117. Thank you. NT

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. A lot of things he is criticized for he has control over

Those include his orange hue, too long ties, suits that don't fit, and his scalp reduction hairdo.

[Eliot Rosewater]

32. LOL some might not get the joke

Oh wait, I thought you said he does NOT have control over, THAT would be the joke.

Either way, the thing about his looks is he is now known by the entire human race, 91% of whom shriek in horror at the sight of him, not because of features, weight or hair, but because of hate. HIS hate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. I can see how criticizing him for his weight could be construed as unfair

I can see how criticizing him for his weight could be construed as unfair but he chose his orange hue, too long ties, suits that don't fit, and ridiculous hairdo.

[Eliot Rosewater]

40. LOL and that he CANT control it is what is funny...You would think anybody

who looks in the mirror and sees that orange shit, those white circles, the ridiculous way his tie always looks, would DO something but he never does

Thus he cant control it

I JUST said I wouldnt make fun of his looks...oops

BTW, if ALL we do is make fun of his ties while he bombs a country he refuses to let refugees from to come in, if THAT is the worst we do? I dont want to hear a fucking thing about it.

[True Blue American]

54. But Trump has been saved,and every one

Knows gluttony is a sin!

[treestar]

77. His ugliness comes from inside

If a nice person were not particularly well favored, we don't mention it.

But even a surface attractive person can look ugly when saying things like the Orange Disaster says.

Jane Austen had a character who say "an agreeable manner" can make "personal defects" irrelevant. Likewise, even a gorgeous exterior can seem ugly by a horrible manner, which the Orange Toxin certainly has.

If he were a nice guy, he would probably be considered sort of neutral - if he were not vain, he wouldn't have the hairdo to make fun of. We'd give him a pass on his weight.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. First, those who are criticizing you, check and see if they are consistent, if you know what I mean.

Some as we know take opportunity to say what seems to be the right thing in the moment but sometimes these folks arent consistent.

I dont know of a nicer way to say that and not get in trouble.

I am of course NOT talking about anyone here.

Oh, and that he is fat or that he has terrible grooming habits or that he looks like a fool with the orange stuff, is not what matters in that I dont like to shame people for their looks, what MATTERS is he represents us to the world and his FACE now represents hate, intolerance and violence.

He could be skinny, not have a tiny member, and I would hate him just as much. He could have nice looking hair and features, I would still hate him.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

30. How about vice versa, then, too.

Everyone who is saying this is a good thing better not complain when someone talks about how a woman looks. Maybe she deserves it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

34. Not at all my point. I will not explain further.

I dont shame people for their looks, I try never to though I may not be perfect.

His LOOK is his and when people see it they see AMERICA and hate.

THAT is what is wrong with him.

[True Blue American]

51. I know it is not right

To make fun of others looks, but when you do that constantly to others,expect to get it back.

Not just looks, but deformities. Nothing is off limits for Trump.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

28. Yes, by all means, let's fat shame and mock someone because of their looks.

That can't possibly have any negative effects on anyone besides Trump.

for the impaired.

I am, frankly, appalled that this attitude is receiving so much support on a progressive site. We ABSOLUTELY need to be better than this.

[Ms. Toad]

82. Agreed. And thank you for speaking out. n/t

[rainin]

29. He says he's going to be the healthiest president EVER and he says he won't have time to play golf.

YES! We can ridicule him!

[Eliot Rosewater]

36. Great reminders. Remember that video he is among world leaders and shoves everybody out of

the way to get to the front?

Made me so embarrassed, so angry. I have been OUTRAGED every MINUTE since.

[rainin]

44. The world remembers that horrific display of arrogance.

He also had to use the golf cart while the other world leaders walked. I am convinced my life and my husband's life will be shortened because of the stress of the last 2 years (before and after the election).

[Eliot Rosewater]

45. Oh absolutely. And now with the McCabe referral meaning we are now a fascist country

it is gonna get way worse.

one third of this country is dying to shoot us.

[True Blue American]

52. Is it all right

If we criticize trump’s 4 TH grade speech? Or placing himself in every situation!

Such as inserting himself into his Eulogy about Barbara Bush and her 73 year marriage ,saying he would not make it?

[FakeNoose]

35. What about Rosie O'Donnell?

He's been sliming her for the last 20 years at least.

He's called her a "fat pig", a "cow" and many other mysogynist names for a very long time. To Rosie's credit, she has given him shit right back to his face, but his behavior has been despicable towards way too many women. I guess that's what bullies do.

[LenaBaby61]

62. What about Rosie O'Donnell?

What about her?

Rosie's SUPPOSED to accept it. Be the BIGGER person. Not say ONE word to the serial insulter. No, if somebody literally stabs me, just let them. WHY fight back? Hey, I could end up DEAD, but I'll have died the bigger person

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

41. He makes himself look ridiculous.

Nobody would make fun of a guy just for being older, overweight and balding, considering how common those characteristics are. But Spanky is so vain that he tries to disguise his weight with suits that don't fit (when good tailoring, which he certainly could afford, would do a far better job of it); he's gone gray like just about everyone else his age but he dyes his hair an unnatural yellow that varies between brass and urine; he tries unsuccessfully to cover his bald spot with a bizarre double combover that makes his head look like it has corners; he paints or fake-tans his face orange, leaving bluish-white circles around his eyes; and he ties his neckties so that the wide end hangs down over his crotch, leaving the narrow end loose unless he secures it with tape. He's a mess, but he's done it to himself. I feel no guilt at all for mocking the disastrous efforts of a ridiculously vain man to look young, fit and handsome. Mutton dressed as lamb.

[smirkymonkey]

68. I think that is partly the reason that most of us do mock his looks. It's his extreme vanity and

conceit that compels us. He looks in the mirror and sees a young, virile, handsome, desirable stud. And he denigrates the appearance of others as if he was in a position to do so, but he's not. He's a vain, aging, bloated, balding, ugly old man and he refuses to see it. We see it as our duty to always remind him of what he really is.

Besides, his kind of ugly is not just skin deep. It radiates from his mangled, black soul. He's ugly because of who he is on the inside and that is entirely his fault.

[3catwoman3]

72. Brass and urine!

That is hysterically descriptive -

[Pepsidog]

53. Nothing out of bounds when commenting on Grandpa Crazypants

[onecent]

56. AMEN MoonRiver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[njhoneybadger]

58. I refer to him as "that Fat Fuck"

[meow2u3]

59. He brought this ridicule upon himself

If that won't teach him not to dish out what he can't take, what will?

[poboy2]

70. Remember the vapors this place got when Joe Biden said if he were younger he'd fight him.

Imagine, he said he'd defend Trumps latest insult victim.

The pearl clutchers blasted him and disqualified him from office!

LOSERS

[BobTheSubgenius]

74. I have to agree.

I've always been...well, almost always ...been for a take the high road approach, but who pays attention to that any more? Republicans won't, and Democrats shouldn't, as it just means more elevation to get blind-sided from.

Gack that's an awkward sentence, but I'm on my way out for dinner, so I'm not going to fix it.

[treestar]

75. And then watch him complain about it

as if it is unfair to do to him what he does to others! He does not understand the Golden Rule, apparently. It's just him and only him in the world, which revolves around him.

[samnsara]

78. Aaaaaaaamen!

...and im atheist!

[Motley13]

81. OK, he is fat, his hair looks like a mad man's ass, he has small hands (and you know what that means

as disgusting as he looks, it is narcissism, racism, stupidity that makes him such a poor excuse for a human being.

[bdamomma]

83. He will

pay for his utter disrespect for people which he richly deserves.

[Ms. Toad]

84. Refraining from criticizing Trump for his appearance has NOTHING to do with taking the high road

or fair game, or whether it hurts him or not.

I'm pretty invisible a gay woman, and I can't count the number of times I've learned exactly how disgusting people find me because they think I'm not in the room. Newsflash: Overweight people are in the DU room, and are learning exactly how disgusting you find them every time you ridicule Trump for his weight.


And if it's not his weight (as some posters below have suggested), but his lying, or his vile soul, etc. that bothers you - then ridicule him for that. If you're ridiculing him for his weight, you can't do that without hurting others similarly situated.

[USALiberal]

86. +1000, thank you for this. Looks should be off limits. Ashamed people here don't get it. nt

[USALiberal]

85. Stupid argument. Many Dems are not attractive or overweight.Childish BS and idiotic! nt

[Different Drummer]

88. +123. n/t

[greatbaldeagle]

90. Couldn't agree more

POSOTUS needs several doses of his own medicine. F him, F his supporters, and F those who try to demonize those who fight back against Big Con.

[Cha]

93. Well said, MoonRiver!

Link to tweet

What happened? Wind inside.. a huge fan? lol

[mcar]

94. I agree

He opened himself up to it.

[pansypoo53219]

95. wasn't comey fair & balanced on his description?

[GusBob]

96. So sick of the tender mercy fucks

Say what you want when you want as long as it is within the rules of DU. If the sappy whiners have a problem with it, it's their fucking problem, not ours

The days of "they go low, we go high" are over

[cwydro]

104. Really?

Michelle Obama said that. I found it admirable.

She has more class in her little finger than many posting ugliness here.

[RainCaster]

97. I'm bald old and fat. My fingers are not tiny

And my daughter has never seen my winky.

[Honeycombe8]

100. [phone]. Did someone say we shouldn't? I think it's fair game because he's done it.nt

[Laffy Kat]

101. When it comes to 45, I am for anything that can help us blow off steam. nt

[Gothmog]

105. Trump is an idiot to make comments on anyone's appearsnce

[UpInArms]

108. You mean, like this?

[Sunlei]

109. only "positive side" of having a lunitic as president, he can't sue anyone anymore for mocks.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

110. Im overweight and I wear it better than he does.

[Adrahil]

116. And I don't. Am I worthy of ridicule? NT