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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere's absolutely no evidence out there that Trump colluded with the Russians
1) Except the, Russia, if youre listening, thing.2) and the Manafort thing,
3) and the Flynn thing,
4) and the Papadopoulos pleading guilty thing,
5) and the Roger Stone thing,
6) and the Cohen thing,
7) and the Kushner thing,
8) and the Carter Page thing,
9) and the Jeff Sessions things,
10) and the Wilbur Ross thing,
11) and the JD Gordon thing,
12) and the Erik Prince thing,
13) and the James Comey firing thing,
14) and the Russian hacking/Wikileaks thing,
15) and the bro-love between TrumpPutin thing,
16) and the Russian propaganda machine favoring Trump thing,
17) and the DJT "I have zero ties to Russia!" thing,
18) and the Eric Trump "we get most of our financing from Russian banks thing",
19) and the Donald Trump Jr. "Our portfolio is made up of a disproportionate amount of Russian money" thing,
20) and the DJT "I sold a $60 million mansion to a Russian oligarch known for money laundering for $120 million that he never once lived in" thing,
21) and the Trump business ties with Putin's favorite sports athlete Fedor Emilianenko thing,
22) and the Trump International Corporation's mysterious private server connection to Alfa Bank, Russia's largest commercial bank thing,
23) and the Special prosecutor being named thing,
24) and the I won't release my tax returns thing,
25) and the Ivanka Trump's vacationing with Putin's girlfriend thing,
26) and the 2013 Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow thing,
27) and the Trump companies business ties to Felix Sater, a criminal felon indicted for stock fraud scheme with the Russian mafia thing,
28) and the FL Group Icelandic hedge fund with massive ties to Putin being heavily invested in Trump Soho thing,
29) and the Rex Tillerson/Exxon ties to Russia thing,
30) and the Russian ambassador at Trump Tower sneaking in and out thing,
31) and the Trump tried to roll back Russian sanctions the minute he got elected thing.
32) Other than that, there's absolutely no reason to suspect anything.
Wait theres more,
33) And the money laundering thing.
34) And the sex hush moneythe minute he got elected thing.
32) Other than that, there's absolutely no reason to suspect anything.
Wait theres more,
33) And the money laundering thing.
34) And the sex hush money payoffs thing.
35) And the signing of the proposal for Trump Hotel Moscow thing.
36) And the meetings in the White House with Russians thing
37) And the firing of Sally Yates thing.
38) And the hacked States voting thing.
39) and the meeting with the Russian lawyer about adoption thing.
40) And then the lying about it with a statement crafted by the White House thing.
41) And the Deripaska sanctioned yet entering the USA on a diplomats visa thing.
42) And the changing the GOP platform on Ukraine to be more favorable to Russia thing.
43) And, the mother of all things: not implementing sanctions which passed the Senate 98-2 and House 419-3 in violation of the Take Care Clause (Article 2, Section 3) thing.
44) And the Russian banker giving money to NRA to support Trump thing
45) And the Russian intelligence is now peddling a fake Trump tape to sow new chaos in American political discourse thing.
46) And the David Bogatin buying Trump properties for over $6mil with no verifiable income and tied to Semion Mogilvich, who is so successful at money laundering he gets the name "The Brainy Don" thing.
47) And the Trump Taj Mahal being fined $10 mil for not adhering to money laundering laws thing.
48) And the Rudy Giuliani thing.
49) And the " sanctioned) heads of all 3 Russian intelligence agencies allowed into US to secretly meet with CIA director Pompeo and DNI Coats, days before Trump blew off sanctions" thing.
50) And Misha Flynn's "US-Russia nuclear proliferation in the Middle East" thing.
51) And the, I love Wikileaks thing.
And the, Rusher Lester Holt interview thing.
52) And the, Jeff Sessions, I didnt meet with any Russians, but he did, thing.
53) and the Russians at the National Prayer Service thing
54) and the Felix Sater thing
55) The Kilimnik thing.
56) And the Simon Kukes thing.
57) And the yucking it up with Russians in the Oval Office after firing nut-job Comey, and thinking it was over, thing.
57) And the wild-eyed Devin Nunes bogus memo run, but the Conservative FBI is somehow the problem, thing.
58) And the Rob Goldstone talking to Mueller thing.
59) And the Gates, in negotiations with Mueller without his lawyers, thing.
60) And the Bannon wont talk to Congress, but is going to talk to Mueller thing.
61) And the meetings with Putin without an American recorder present thing.
62) And the defending of Putin when OReilly calls him a killer thing.
63)And the Wont release White House visitor logs thing.
And the "Don't keep visitor logs at Mar-A-Lago" thing.
64) And the Kushner asking for a direct line to the Kremlin at the Russian Embassy thing.
65) And the Putin and I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, and many other negative things, will be guarded and safe tweet thing.
66) And the Deutsche Bank records thing.
67) And the House majority leader, McCarthy says to colleagues in 2016: I think Putin pays Trump and Ryan says No leaks. .?.?. This is how we know we're a real family here." thing.
68) And the firing of Preet Bharara thing.
69) And the Russians getting a no bid contract to build our embassy there-so they can assure electronic surveillance
is embedded carefully-thing.
70) And the attempt to discredit a career spy, held in high regard in the intel community, to discredit the dossier thing.
71) And the revealing of sensitive material about Syria/ISIS to the Russians thing.
72) And the refusal to release the Democrats memo, cleared by intel agencies on security grounds, after releasing the flagged Republican memo, thing.
73) And the Roman Abramovich, Russian steel owner (with whom Kushner met with several times according to his *revised* security clearance application) has docked his ship off the shore of Florida, when Trump was at Mar-a-Largo, thing.
74) And Americans keep learning about Putin-Trump conversations from the Kremlin (Putin said he and Trump spoke about the Palestinian-Israeli settlement. on the phone today. No readout yet from White House) thing.
75) And for the 8th time Kremlin (not the Administration) told us Trump spoke with Putin by phone thing.
AND we learned that Putin told Palestine that Trump told him he could negotiate on America's behalf, thing.
76) And the Trump takes two abandoned 747s off of Aeroflot's hands for the next Air Force One, relieving the Kremlin of its $750 million obligation to Boeing thing.
77) And the German Woman at the Center of the Manafort Case with Russian contacts who may have serve as the strawman for illegal lobbying in the United States thing.
78) And the Russians giving the NRA money thing.
79) And releasing the Nunes memo thing.
80) And the refusing to release the Democrats rebuttal memo thing.
81) And the trying to discredit the FBI thing.
82) And the forcing McCabe out thing.
83) And the my lawyers wont let me testify thing.
84) And the my taxes are under audit so I cant release them thing.
85) And the Alex van der Zwaan lying to prosecutors about a conversation with Rick Gates thing.
86) And the charges against Richard Pinedo in exchange for cooperating thing.
87) And now Mueller is investigating Manafort for promising Calk a WH job in exchange for a $16M personal loan thing.
88) And the per NBC, Trump has told friends he'd be in trouble if Paul Manafort "flipped" on him thing.
89) And the Kushner Security Clearance being held up by the Mueller Investigation thing.
90) And the Dem memo that confirmed that both the F.B.I. and D.O.J. made extensive showings to justify all four FISA requests thing.
91) And the son-in-law had to have his security clearance removed thing.
92) And the China, UAE, Israel, and Mexico plotting how to manipulate the son-in-law thing.
93) And the Hope Hicks refusing to answer the questions of the Intelligence Committee thing.
94) And the Roger Stone lying to Congress about WikiLeaks thing.
95) And the 20 Gates indictments dropped by Mueller for cooperating thing.
96) And the changing the Republican platform thing.
97) And the not authorizing NSA to do *anything* to prevent hacking of Midterm Elections thing.
98) And the Hope Hicks White Lies and quits thing.
99) And the Kushner gets his Security Clearance downgraded because he dealt with Russia thing.
100) And the Nunberg decides to comply-after he adamantly wasnt gonna comply-to the Mueller subpoena thing.
101) And the Kremlin wanted Tillerson instead of Romney thing,
102) And the Trumps demand for a Kremlinesque Military Parade thing.
103) And the George Nader (UAE foreign agent) thing.
104) And the Trump asking witnesses what they discussed with Mueller thing.
105) And the firing of Tillerson thing.
106) And the vindictive firing of McCabe thing.
107) And the congratulating Putin for winning a sham election after Putin poisoned and framed his opponent thing.
108) And the alleged mobster Felix Sater told family he knows he and POTUS are going to prison thing.
109) And the Trump Fundraiser, Elliott Brodys offer to help lift sanctions on Russian Firms thing.
110) And the Corallo attorneys couldnt represent Trump due to conflicts of interest thing.
111) And the Rick Gates contact with Alex van der Zwaan (an associate of Paul Manafort with ties to the Russian intelligence service, GRU) in 2016 thing.
112) And the Malloch being served with a subpoena to appear before the grand jury thing.
113) And The Kremlin revealed that Trump proposed inviting Putin to DC during the March 20th phone call thing.
Reminder: there was zero mention of the Russian nerve agent attack on British soil nor any warnings to Russia to stop attacking our infrastructure thing.
114) And the Attorney Alex van der Zwaan sentenced to 30 days in prison for lying to investigators who were looking into Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort thing.
115) And the Cohen got raided by the FBI thing.
116) And the Dana Boentes handwritten notes after talking to James Comey thing.
117) And the Trump's personal lawyer was working out of the Squire, Patton & Boggs law offices, who just HAPPEN to be lawyers for Cambridge Analytica, AND are main lobbyists for Russia's Gazprom oil company thing.
118) And the letting Bolton in the White House without security clearance.
119) And the Trump asking Comey to consider investigating the "pee tape" allegations in order to "reassure Melania" that they were untrue thing.
120) And the Cohen lied about going to Prague in the summer of 2016 thing.
121) And the back channel assurance to the Kremlin there would be no new sanctions thing
S.E. TN Liberal
(508 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The White House is stuffed with them. They're everywhere! If not actual Russians, it's their operatives, like Manafort & Cohen & Flynn & Trump, and .....
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)There are more people on Team Trump that have Russian connections than there were people that attended Trump's inauguration.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)There are so many of Putin's pals who have robbed the countries resources and become ultra-rich.
During my vacation in Monte Carlo (French riviera) a couple of years back, the tourist guide pointed out at a magnificent mansion jutting out into the Mediterranean sea. She added, it was appraised at $100 Million, then a Russian buyer showed up. The owner preferred a French buyer, so he told the Russian the property would be $500 Million to purchase. The Russian Billionaire wrote a check for $500 Million!
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)bluestarone
(16,976 posts)They're no looking huh?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)All that's left are the indictments and some fancy frog marchin'
Abu Pepe
(637 posts)Maybe you got that but I didnt see it.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:02 AM - Edit history (1)
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)GeorgeHayduke
(1,227 posts)That only about 17 of those things are more substantial than wishful thinking.
Argue facts. Bring numbers. CYA.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)* don't know if that is on the list
fierywoman
(7,686 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)To be fair, a few of these "things" aren't directly about Russia. But they are all indictments against Trump and proof that he's the worst President we've ever had.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)frightening as all shit because 40% of America believes the F'n MORON that it's a witch hunt. This proves it's a W H I C H H U N T ? Collusion, money laundering, perjury, etc etc etc...Which hunt do you want to follow?
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)I'm stealing this
tblue37
(65,403 posts)House of Roberts
(5,177 posts)You might leave that one out.
George II
(67,782 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Repeat until it becomes true
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Obvious85
(259 posts)lets keep adding to it
triron
(22,007 posts)I am so frustrated that with all this plus so much we aren't priveleded to know that Mueller hasn't gone there yet. Better get something out there soon or Trump will trump him.
This man is an unscrupulous monster (Trump).
You have to remember Flynn has already spoke and plead guilty! Mueller has been busy flipping witnesses,we have No Idea what Flynn,Papadopolous and Gates have said or mentioned in the way of names.The 30 yr Army general didnt plead guilty and Trash his career for fun! He was picked by Manafort and brought on board after ...he had already been to Russia,part of the transition team.We were introduced to the young atty serving 30 days currently,his name came from Gates,his dad? is another oligarch! Truly like the House That Jack Built.All roads lead to Russia and one Willing trump to join in,Personally his Obstruction of Justice is glaring at this point.I also believe Mueller is Deliberate in his search and findings....this must be right the first time! No Do Overs! Because when said and done....it moves to congress and on down.If it happens,better be ready for a shitty line of succession.Before then? I am hoping they have snagged Pence phony ass!Mueller is lining up the lies.We are on the plane,and the oxygen mask have dropped,were just waiting on what Kind of landing we will have.🤔
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)That seems a little thin.
rainin
(3,011 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)(Great list! Thank you!)
Roy Rolling
(6,918 posts)121 totally unrelated coincidences. Yet my relatives are unmoved. Peer pressure applied to adults is even more powerful than children. But adults should know better.
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Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Yes. Really is a weak case. Snicker.
Doodley
(9,094 posts)triron
(22,007 posts)If so send this to the major newspapers there.
dreamland
(964 posts)Thanks for this, we must be reminded as people have very short memories. Bookmarked.
gibraltar72
(7,506 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)to think theres some kind of thing to think theres something there?
Thank you!
KPN
(15,646 posts)there's no reason to actually believe there was collusion is there?
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Richard D
(8,754 posts)tosh
(4,423 posts)Excellent work, nmgaucho!
Thank you!
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Have you never heard of coincidences? These are nothing more than your everyday, garden variety, co-inky-dinkies.
Happens to the best of us.
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)Xolodno
(6,395 posts)..but not enough fire to prove collusion..... at this time.
Dump was smart enough to keep himself *apparently* out of the loop....his kids, not so much.
Even then, collusion isn't a crime.... however,...
Conspiracy is! That's what needs to be proven and why this is taking so damn long. Going to guess, Mueller is working to nailing something hard. He already has enough to take down most of the administration, which is impeachable in itself....and yet he's not going forward. Which means, he's found so much dirt, it makes Harding look like a Saint.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)K&R
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)lamp_shade
(14,836 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,864 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)Its conspiracy, and all those involved with him, which means many people could be shown to be involved with trump in all this , and could be facing charges after found guilty as co-conspirators. The republican party has to be really worried they'll be exposed for helping conspire with trump now.
samplegirl
(11,480 posts)Younmust of been keeping record of this for sometime now. Do you mind if I share it?
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mark67
(196 posts)I think Trump didn't think he was going to win the election and planned to make a lot of money afterwards, including with his business dealings in Russia. I think the people associated with his campaign did a lot of stupid things bordering on criminality, including his sons. And I think Trump was/is enamored by Putin, but that's not a crime.
When all is said is done, I think people will go to jail. And I think he won't seek reelection. But that will be the end of it.
I remember how everyone on this board though W. going to be be impeached or worse. Never happened. Guy was not only reelected, but rode off into the sunset afterwards.
Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)Please send it to every media outlet, member of Congress, and all social media sites.
👍 well done.
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)Don't you now this Russian thing is only a distraction. Nothing will come of it. We have to kowtow to little Putin to prevent WWIII. STOP picking on the Russian and Trump kleptocracy. It's all Hillary's fault.
Even once very liberal people, former Dems, are tying themselves up in knots to deny that Trump is a traitor.
iloveObama12
(421 posts)How this clown is still President is beyond baffling, smdh
Progressive dog
(6,905 posts)is public so far.
Loubee
(165 posts)Documenting and listing is invaluable in this time of tidal waves of outrages.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)He has me on block...
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kpete
(71,996 posts)BSdetect
(8,998 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)Sure are a lot of witches out there.
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)remarkable post. Love it. And welcome to DU
From the Harem
(19 posts)rurallib
(62,423 posts)I may well steal this - you said we could.
And not even a mention of McConnell's obstruction.
Could you do a work up on money laundering next?
Just joking - great work here!
Raster
(20,998 posts)...welcome to DU!
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...Donald Trump told us that nobody has been harder on Russia than HE.
We know that he's being truthful because in a debate in 2016 he told us that nobody respects women more than he does, and we know how true THAT was. Also, Evangelicals would only blindly support a man of HIGH morals, right? Otherwise we might think that they're really STUPID.
Peace!
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Mostly! Saved & printed - lots of good spots to put them up around here.
THANK YOU!!!
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)DFW
(54,405 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)I finally finished, and now Im hard of hearing and look forward to eating soft, bland foods.
Awesome list!
underpants
(182,829 posts)Thanks
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I think it'd be a whole lot more powerful if these were fleshed out a bit more than just blurbs like 'the Manafort thing', and more importantly, if all of them featured at least one link to a (preferably mainstream) news articles that lets a reader find out just what this 'thing' ... actually is.
Not complaining, appreciate the work ... but it'd be a big improvement if there were links, if you get the time someday. And also, don't embed the links under the text (i.e. don't make the blurbs themselves clickable, include links as separate text), since that doesn't typically copy/paste correctly.
Thanks again, nice list ... though a good portion of it's been floating around the web for a while ... or are you the originator of the whole thing?
MFM008
(19,816 posts)So much collusion....
So little time....
calimary
(81,320 posts)I'm doing the copy-and-keep and print-it-out-on-paper thing.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)KrazyinKS
(291 posts)I need to print that and start handing it out to my Trumpster friends, but boy would it piss them off!