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sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:08 PM Apr 2018

Barbara Bush has declined further medical intervention, seeking comfort care only.





I think it seems like she will pass soon.

At least one thing I can say about Barbara Bush she took her job as 1st Lady seriously and as a privilege and a job to do unlike the current one.

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Barbara Bush has declined further medical intervention, seeking comfort care only. (Original Post) sunonmars Apr 2018 OP
My mother has been in that state for months, and doctors tell us that could change tomorrow or she Neema Apr 2018 #1
COPD and congestive heart failure apparently. Not a good mix. sunonmars Apr 2018 #3
That's how my Dad went AnnieBW Apr 2018 #29
Was she a smoker? misanthrope Apr 2018 #42
my best to you and your mom. mopinko Apr 2018 #12
Thank you very much. Neema Apr 2018 #21
oh dear. mopinko Apr 2018 #44
Oh, that's such a hard age to lose your father. Even if he was Neema Apr 2018 #45
I'll save my compassion for those who have it for others Major Nikon Apr 2018 #2
Did you read snopes full comment? Tipperary Apr 2018 #7
Yeah, it makes it even worse Major Nikon Apr 2018 #14
She wasn't caught up in the media frenzy for war. Kaleva Apr 2018 #27
That she had no interest in supposition and speculation by the media? Neither did I at the time. Tipperary Apr 2018 #31
Yeah, that's it Major Nikon Apr 2018 #33
I wil pray and have compassion and empathy for her and I hope others will, too EffieBlack Apr 2018 #9
Thank you, Effie. Very well said. Arkansas Granny Apr 2018 #15
I don't wish her any ill will Major Nikon Apr 2018 #17
As my grandmother would say, "It sounds like she she needs more prayers than most people. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #19
But you are concerning yourself with her. Tipperary Apr 2018 #34
This x 1000 n/t FreeState Apr 2018 #24
Amen and amen. nolabear Apr 2018 #25
Thank you for that. Tipperary Apr 2018 #32
Can't expect people to read the link they post....... MichMan Apr 2018 #11
Neither has BB actually died yet Major Nikon Apr 2018 #18
Very true. Sad. Tipperary Apr 2018 #38
Snopes conclusion was wrong Nevernose Apr 2018 #46
My best wishes for her now that she is about to move on. IluvPitties Apr 2018 #4
I had not heard she was ill. Not a fan, but I wish her a peaceful passage. Tipperary Apr 2018 #5
My Mother. Snackshack Apr 2018 #6
it should always be quality over quantity in health. sunonmars Apr 2018 #13
My mother got to that point at the end MiniMe Apr 2018 #47
I hope her passing is peaceful Siwsan Apr 2018 #8
I'll remember the good Barbara Bush... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #10
let her die i remember katrina quote dembotoz Apr 2018 #16
Wow. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #20
Youd think. nolabear Apr 2018 #26
If we turn into them, whats the point? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #28
And its possible to be graceful from a position of strength. nolabear Apr 2018 #39
Smh. Tipperary Apr 2018 #35
Yes I am a Savage...I smiled when Ronnie died too and Nancy, and dick Nixon dembotoz Apr 2018 #43
I hope her crossing is gentle... Dennis Donovan Apr 2018 #22
As I said in the other thread, hope she passes peacefully Kaleva Apr 2018 #23
The Bush family has been kind to my family Exultant Democracy Apr 2018 #30
Good post. Tipperary Apr 2018 #37
Thank you for sharing this. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #41
It's always tough to say goodbye Hav Apr 2018 #36
Bye. -nt poboy2 Apr 2018 #40

Neema

(1,151 posts)
1. My mother has been in that state for months, and doctors tell us that could change tomorrow or she
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:11 PM
Apr 2018

could remain that way for another six months or more.

Anyway, I'm no fan of the Bush family, but I don't wish ill on Barbara.

AnnieBW

(10,450 posts)
29. That's how my Dad went
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:28 PM
Apr 2018

I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Goddess bless her. She always spoke her mind.

mopinko

(70,198 posts)
12. my best to you and your mom.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:22 PM
Apr 2018

we say in hospice care that even tho you know it could be any day, that doesnt mean you will be ready when that day comes.
it will still be an awful day.

xoxo

Neema

(1,151 posts)
21. Thank you very much.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:47 PM
Apr 2018

Very sweet of you to say. And may I say that if you work in hospice care you are the best of humanity.

Sadly, my relationship with her is...complicated. I don't wish for her to be in pain but neither do I have strong positive emotions for her. The negative emotions have also faded with her illness and time, so I'm mostly left with as much feeling as I would have for any stranger in a nursing home at the end of his or her life. I wish them well and hope their passage is comfortable.

mopinko

(70,198 posts)
44. oh dear.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:17 PM
Apr 2018

it can be so hard to navigate all this w such mixed emotions. i hope you can sort it out, and feel good about it.
i had a very hard time coming to terms w my feelings about my dad when he died. he was an alcoholic, and a very flawed human. i was 17 when he died and it took me until i was in my 60's to appreciate the things he did give me. most of my siblings have not gotten there.

it is a shame we have to be raised by humans.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
45. Oh, that's such a hard age to lose your father. Even if he was
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:25 PM
Apr 2018

a flawed human being. I'm sorry.

I've had plenty of time to reconcile and accept my relationship with my mother, so that's a good thing. I already grieved for the mother I never had. When her body stops existing I will stop to acknowledge the passing but highly doubt I will shed many tears. I know that makes me sound cold, but that's how I feel.

My siblings are in many different places regarding her, too. Some of them will be very upset and sad about losing her. Others haven't let go of their anger at her so I'm not sure how they'll react.

Sigh, yeah, like you say, it's a shame we have to be raised by humans. In my case, raised by a woman who should have adopted a couple cats instead of having human babies.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
31. That she had no interest in supposition and speculation by the media? Neither did I at the time.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:37 PM
Apr 2018

Alrighty then, no doubt there will be a grave dancing thread or two for you to enjoy soon enough.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
33. Yeah, that's it
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:39 PM
Apr 2018

Meanwhile don't miss a chance to claim I'm grave dancing, even though I clarified my position on that no less than twice.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
9. I wil pray and have compassion and empathy for her and I hope others will, too
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:21 PM
Apr 2018

Because I like to think we’re not the kind of people who decide who is and isn’t worthy of basic human kindness when they are suffering. Isn’t that the kind of attitude we criticize others for?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
17. I don't wish her any ill will
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:40 PM
Apr 2018

There are millions of people dying at this very moment and I just don't see any good reason to concern myself with this one any more than any other. Especially since she couldn't be bothered to concern herself with others, even those whose fate was intertwined with those in which she had influence.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
19. As my grandmother would say, "It sounds like she she needs more prayers than most people.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:44 PM
Apr 2018

So give her one of yours. It won't even take a minute of your time."

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
34. But you are concerning yourself with her.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:40 PM
Apr 2018

Telling us all how much you just do not care. Oh the irony.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
25. Amen and amen.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:16 PM
Apr 2018

“You got to cross that lonesome valley.
You got to cross it by yourself.
Oh, nobody else can cross it for you.
You got to cross it by yourself.”

MichMan

(11,960 posts)
11. Can't expect people to read the link they post.......
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:21 PM
Apr 2018

"Her comment was not meant as a dismissal of actual deaths or suffering (troops had not yet been engaged at the time of her remark), but of news coverage that amounted to one expert after another making predictions about what they saw as likely to occur."

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
46. Snopes conclusion was wrong
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:45 PM
Apr 2018

Part of their premise is “Prior to the commencement of hostilities, such matters were the subject of endless supposition by various news pundits.”

But she didn’t make those comments before the start of hostilities. We were already having a ground war in Afghanistan. Her husband had already gone to war in Iraq. Furthermore, her opposition to “supposition” on the news is in addition to not wanting to see body bags or hear about deaths.

It seems clear to me that there was a whole list of things she didn’t want to “waste her beautiful mind” on. Snopes is attributing the most generous possible motives.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
6. My Mother.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:17 PM
Apr 2018

Eventually got to this point where it was “quality” over “quantity” of life (her words). It was a tough choice but given what she was going thru I completely understood and supported her...hardest thing I have ever done. Four months later she was gone.

I hope Mrs. Bush find peace and some form of comfort in the time remaining.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
13. it should always be quality over quantity in health.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:24 PM
Apr 2018

At least one thing I can say about Barbara Bush she took her job as 1st Lady seriously and as a privilege and a job to do unlike the current one.

MiniMe

(21,718 posts)
47. My mother got to that point at the end
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:52 PM
Apr 2018

She passed from Colon Cancer, and just wanted comfort care. I respected her wishes.

Siwsan

(26,289 posts)
8. I hope her passing is peaceful
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:19 PM
Apr 2018

I have never seen anything to admire about Mrs. Bush, but it's not so long since I lost my own mother, and her passing was not peaceful so this is where my empathy for her grandchildren kicks in.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
10. I'll remember the good Barbara Bush...
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:21 PM
Apr 2018

I'll remember the good Barbara Bush who informed Dan Quayle that a family is any collection of people loving one another.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
26. Youd think.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:18 PM
Apr 2018

Katrina was my people. It was a stupid statement. I forgive her. The weight of endless anger just drags us down.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
39. And its possible to be graceful from a position of strength.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:52 PM
Apr 2018

There’s such a big difference between forgiving and condoning or allowing things to continue.

dembotoz

(16,826 posts)
43. Yes I am a Savage...I smiled when Ronnie died too and Nancy, and dick Nixon
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:47 PM
Apr 2018

Makes me a bad person???
I am sobbing

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
30. The Bush family has been kind to my family
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:35 PM
Apr 2018

of black democrats.

GHWB used to invite my pops out to swing at some balls anytime they were in the same area code, and he wasn't inviting the press to show off his black friend. They just liked spending time with each other.

I also spent a lot time hanging out with Barbra the younger when she lived in New Haven (across the street from me) and she is one of my favorite people. She marched against the war and was classy ethical and kind without giving a hint of being a spoiled or privileged brat. I only met her sister once, but she was also very sweet.

For all the harm that family has cause America, they are still a family and we all know they are hurting right now.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
36. It's always tough to say goodbye
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:42 PM
Apr 2018

In this case, a "long" goodbye as opposed to a sudden death can be, for lack of a better word, a blessing to a degree. One has at least the opportunity to say goodbye and maybe enjoy some time together. But is also a very demanding and tough situation for everyone in the family to see someone slipping away slowly, not knowing what the next morning brings. No ill wishes from me, we only have this one live on earth and we all know what it's like to lose a loved one.

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