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babylonsister

(171,099 posts)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:30 AM Apr 2018

Rick Wilson: Donald Trump Takes Out Paul Ryan, and 'It's Going to Be a Civil War'

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-takes-out-paul-ryan-and-its-going-to-be-a-civil-war?ref=home

Donald Trump Takes Out Paul Ryan, and ‘It’s Going to Be a Civil War’
Everything Trump touches dies, and the speaker’s legacy is no exception.
Rick Wilson
04.11.18 7:06 PM ET


The news that Paul Ryan is retiring from Congress was received by grim-faced members of the GOP caucus finally realizing what they’ve done, and what’s coming. Ryan pulled the ripcord today after a 19-year career in Congress, declaring he would leave Washington at the end of his current term to spend more time with his existential angst over what he let Donald Trump do to our country.

The happy talk about holding the House is over. The spin for the press, the rubes, and the donor class just came to a shrieking halt. Nancy Pelosi is in her crone cavern, cackling with glee, knowing that the Democrats are now in play in almost 80 congressional seats. The general of the House Republican army just announced he’s leaving the field just as the tide of political war looks most grim.

Ryan and his caucus hoped to run on the tax cut, the economy, and infrastructure. All of these messages now will be swept aside. Ryan owns his share of the blame; too often, he behaved as if he was some deferential junior VP at a Trump resort and not the leader of the House of Representatives in a co-equal branch of government. The idea, popular among the House leadership, that a diet of ass-kissing and deference would make Trump into a normal president who didn’t need the political equivalent of Depends was always a strategic mistake.

Ryan is now paying the price. The rest of his caucus will pay in the fall.

The election season will now feature a Republican leadership fight with all the reality-TV tropes we’ve come to expect in this vulgar, stupid age as it inevitably devolves into a shabby bidding war over who will be more amenable and obedient to Donald Trump. The purity tests from Fox News, the screeching teenagers in the Donnie Trump Tiger Beat Breitbart Fan Club, and Trump himself will ensure this contest—like every damn thing in America today—is All About Him.

Ryan’s unfulfilled agenda, including entitlement reform, is now a dead letter, along with the hopes so many in the conservative movement had reposed in him. The Kochs and dozens of other free-market folks were invested in Paul Ryan’s future. Those investments were squandered like Granny’s Social Security check at the Trump Taj Mahal. Regardless of who replaces Ryan, the agenda of limited-government conservatism based on fiscal probity, personal responsibility, free trade, and limited government is as dead Donald Trump’s marriage.

snip//

History repeats, first as tragedy, then as Trump. This is the Watergate pattern writ large. In 1973, Republicans were screaming that the investigation was nothing but a Fake New Witch Hunt. They lost 49 House seats and eight Senate seats in 1974, two months after Nixon resigned.

Everything Trump touches dies, and Paul Ryan’s legacy is no exception.
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Rick Wilson: Donald Trump Takes Out Paul Ryan, and 'It's Going to Be a Civil War' (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2018 OP
Paul Ryan legacy thbobby Apr 2018 #1
There is no greater fantasy today Cosmocat Apr 2018 #10
Amen Pepsidog Apr 2018 #39
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #50
Agree. And lets not forget he pushed ACA repeal a couple dozen times kysrsoze Apr 2018 #59
Great response to a great post, you both win the evening for me! :) Rainbow Droid Apr 2018 #60
well said, Cc yonder Apr 2018 #68
The most overrated politician in modern political history... maddiemom Apr 2018 #70
+1000000000000 ailsagirl Apr 2018 #72
Please forgive me but xxqqqzme Apr 2018 #74
I used voice text Cosmocat Apr 2018 #81
Being greedy and penurious is not a philosophy of government. dchill Apr 2018 #76
well said !!! weissmam Apr 2018 #87
Ryan's big success is his marketing/branding campaign. Eyeball_Kid Apr 2018 #44
No,Ryan's greatest success was Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #56
"He's going to have to make every minute count before he gets hauled off to prison." NBachers Apr 2018 #71
Rachel Maddow TRASHED him last night FakeNoose Apr 2018 #66
Lawrence O'Donnell xxqqqzme Apr 2018 #73
Ryan is a beady-eyed con man just like the orange idiot he enables onetexan Apr 2018 #67
Everything trump touches dies. Just quoted by Joy on Last Word. lindysalsagal Apr 2018 #2
Reverse Midas touch Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2018 #46
Sorry Rick brucefan Apr 2018 #3
?? I bet she did. nt babylonsister Apr 2018 #5
In her crone cavern? What the hell is that? yardwork Apr 2018 #7
The misogyny is strong with this one, even though spooky3 Apr 2018 #8
Nothing like mixing ageism and misogyny Farmer-Rick Apr 2018 #31
!!!!!!!!! flibbitygiblets Apr 2018 #34
Exactly nt spooky3 Apr 2018 #54
Indeed we do have to look back to Eisenhower for that. calimary Apr 2018 #97
But still a nasty True Blue American Apr 2018 #43
Agree. A lot of Republicans who have been critical spooky3 Apr 2018 #53
Yep not fooled Apr 2018 #100
He's a fun Anti Trumper but still an R. Cosmocat Apr 2018 #11
Yep! GreenPartyVoter Apr 2018 #23
I have no idea. Huddled babylonsister Apr 2018 #12
Misogynistic crap directed at the Democratic leader is the usual BS. yardwork Apr 2018 #18
Yeah, there is no way to miss that. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #21
Probably the older female equivalent of Orange Free State Apr 2018 #32
You may like what he wrote, but remember one thing.... Grins Apr 2018 #41
I don't like what he wrote about Nancy Pelosi at all. yardwork Apr 2018 #51
+100 narnian60 Apr 2018 #65
He's reassuring the RWNJ's that he's still one of them even though he trashes Trump bigbrother05 Apr 2018 #57
Republicans hate strong intelligent women workinclasszero Apr 2018 #64
There are some more benign definitions, including a wise woman... LisaM Apr 2018 #80
I've gotta jump in to this 'crone' subthread OxQQme Apr 2018 #84
I know. I'm Pagan. And Wilson's intention is quite clear. yardwork Apr 2018 #86
This Hekate Apr 2018 #103
Hi there! yardwork Apr 2018 #108
This Hekate Apr 2018 #102
I bet she's not cackling vlyons Apr 2018 #15
I agree. Scarsdale Apr 2018 #17
Very well said. madaboutharry Apr 2018 #22
True! True Blue American Apr 2018 #58
The right conjures up a villan Mopar151 Apr 2018 #85
Right: "Trump sucks, but remember that Democrats are evil!!!!" Beartracks Apr 2018 #93
Representative -- and gods willing, Speaker once more Hekate Apr 2018 #104
I bet she actually is laughing out loud lunatica Apr 2018 #25
I noted that too. Duppers Apr 2018 #26
I took it the other way, at first read... Shipwack Apr 2018 #35
Yep, sorry. Duppers Apr 2018 #63
Stuck out to me too, bad n/t hibbing Apr 2018 #36
I cringed when I read that riversedge Apr 2018 #40
Oh, that's fabulous. Thanks for posting it. RandomAccess Apr 2018 #48
What does it take to convert a repugnant to democrat? Nancy Pelosi is way too nice to be vilified by BSdetect Apr 2018 #45
One Rep for whom I felt some fondness was Coburn, spooky3 Apr 2018 #55
As conservative as Rick Wilson is, he's a skilled writer and I generally like his style. yonder Apr 2018 #69
Lets not count our chickens yet... HopeAgain Apr 2018 #4
War is always a panacea for failing political fortunes. Nitram Apr 2018 #33
Totally. FromMissouri Apr 2018 #90
It's not just that.. Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #6
We can hope. I don't want to see him in Ilsa Apr 2018 #9
Doesn't Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #13
The true believers in republicanism Ilsa Apr 2018 #47
Maybe... Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #88
That will make a great campaign ad when he runs for POTUS Hekate Apr 2018 #105
Heh heh... Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #107
I think you're right, duforsure Apr 2018 #20
Thank gawd for thumb drives. Ligyron Apr 2018 #37
I agree. Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #89
Paul Ryan was always an overrated piece of shit propped up by the shitty media JI7 Apr 2018 #14
they didnt get everything... Locrian Apr 2018 #16
Very... Mike Nelson Apr 2018 #19
".. the political equivalent of Depends was always a strategic mistake" kentuck Apr 2018 #24
This is gold- poboy2 Apr 2018 #27
The GOP acted like drunken sailors spending every damn time they got in office while insisting on Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #28
Always wondered bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #29
Or, since Ryan's on tape being so cool about Rohrabacher's ties to Russia... Hekate Apr 2018 #106
As a person who graduated High School in Ridgefield Connecticut...close to New York Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #30
? gilligan Apr 2018 #38
Enter the radical left, stage left, to negate yet another Democratic advantage! Cary Apr 2018 #42
What are you talking about? RandomAccess Apr 2018 #49
I'm a radical leftist. FromMissouri Apr 2018 #91
Jill Stein. Susan Sarandon. Ralph Nader. Cary Apr 2018 #99
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #109
Biden had his number. Denzil_DC Apr 2018 #52
note the nice little sexist quote DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #61
And here's the part where Ricky flim-flams as much as Donnie... JHB Apr 2018 #62
Who is this guy kidding? LittleGirl Apr 2018 #75
for sale FromMissouri Apr 2018 #92
LOL eom LittleGirl Apr 2018 #95
The GOP is imploding right now and I must say I am enjoying watching the meltdown! Initech Apr 2018 #77
I join your club...this meltdown is great..the Republicans suck... Stuart G Apr 2018 #78
Rick Wilson live earlier OnDoutside Apr 2018 #79
Trump Has The Merde-Ass Touch smb Apr 2018 #82
Oh, Ryan's happy as a tick on a dog. He'll get a (or several) FAT board positions or jobs. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #83
K&R bdamomma Apr 2018 #94
Hey Rick, I'm sure Boehner is cackling with glee, too! Tatiana Apr 2018 #96
Excellent writing SCantiGOP Apr 2018 #98
Blistering, and well deserved. Just had to get a swipe in at Nancy P, tho, didn't he? nt Hekate Apr 2018 #101
At the end, the Republican writer Wilson emphasized GOPs losses post-1974 Nixon appalachiablue Apr 2018 #110

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
1. Paul Ryan legacy
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:34 AM
Apr 2018

was right-wing propaganda. His intellect is negligible and his Christian morality is a scam. He is a greedy user with an intelligence comparable to trump's.

Cosmocat

(14,575 posts)
10. There is no greater fantasy today
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:52 AM
Apr 2018

Then Paul Ryan being some kind of great intellectual. Dude is dumber than a box of rocks, got by by being born to a privileged family, having a understated manner of communication in a day and age when Republicans are the modern-day equivalent of I was abducted by aliens and anally probed Lunes, and mildly bookish looks.

kysrsoze

(6,023 posts)
59. Agree. And lets not forget he pushed ACA repeal a couple dozen times
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:06 PM
Apr 2018

His legacy is being a human shitbag.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
70. The most overrated politician in modern political history...
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 03:25 PM
Apr 2018

But then Joe Biden proved this in 2012.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
74. Please forgive me but
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:47 PM
Apr 2018

than - introduces the second element in a comparison.

then is an adverb - next; in that case

Sorry, a pet peeve.

Cosmocat

(14,575 posts)
81. I used voice text
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:37 PM
Apr 2018

the post was a smorgasborg of voice to text butchery, but I was on the run for a busy day and didn't have to time to mess with it ...

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
44. Ryan's big success is his marketing/branding campaign.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:32 AM
Apr 2018

He's never been able to produce anything other than an image. Worse still, he's devolved into a leech permanently attached to Trumpy's ass. But the real reason that Ryan is getting out of the public sphere is that he's in Mueller's sights as a conspirator to launder money from Russians. Spending time with his family? Hah. He's going to have to make every minute count before he gets hauled off to prison. His proclamation that his GOP are "family" who won't discuss Russia's bribery methods in public seals the deal for him. Ryan is a piss-poor politician, Speaker, and an even worse criminal.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
56. No,Ryan's greatest success was
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:22 AM
Apr 2018

spending the Summer of 97' Campaigning the Oscar Mayer Wiener-Mobile to all the CUB Stores in the Mid West.

NBachers

(17,149 posts)
71. "He's going to have to make every minute count before he gets hauled off to prison."
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 04:29 PM
Apr 2018

It will be interesting to see if he starts a large-scale moving-around of money and assets to family and offshore accounts to try & limit what can be taken from him.

onetexan

(13,067 posts)
67. Ryan is a beady-eyed con man just like the orange idiot he enables
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 02:24 PM
Apr 2018

The GOP didn't get here overnight. It was years in the making, culminating in the disgraceful wrecking ball that inhabits the WH. The likes of ryan who, despite their education, continually defy logic to lie and mislead simple-minded folk to vote for their brand of evangelical/conservative agenda, enabled the idiot to distract us all while he and his fellow con men screwed the US over.

Farmer-Rick

(10,216 posts)
31. Nothing like mixing ageism and misogyny
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:14 AM
Apr 2018

When you insult a woman. You know because women are not supposed to get old and ugly like Trump and McConnell.

I don't see why this writer doesn't like Trump, he sounds just like him.

Besides has there ever been such a thing as a responsible RepubliCON since Dwight Eisenhower?


calimary

(81,523 posts)
97. Indeed we do have to look back to Eisenhower for that.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:27 PM
Apr 2018

He’s the last true Republican with ANY integrity at all.

True Blue American

(17,992 posts)
43. But still a nasty
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:28 AM
Apr 2018

Name caller. Wilson is just mad the party is going down the tubes. That was not nice.

spooky3

(34,484 posts)
53. Agree. A lot of Republicans who have been critical
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:08 AM
Apr 2018

Of Trump are upset not because of his appalling policies and what they are doing to the country, but because some of his actions will make it harder for Republicans to win later.

not fooled

(5,803 posts)
100. Yep
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 12:31 AM
Apr 2018

and his summary of the puke agenda as some sort of noble blueprint for the country is laughable.

We know it's just a smokescreen for transferring the nation's assets to the wealthy.


babylonsister

(171,099 posts)
12. I have no idea. Huddled
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:55 AM
Apr 2018

with her fellow Dems watching the show like the rest of us? Wilson is a rethug; I am sure he takes every opportunity to slam Dems, though his ire is necessarily directed at his own party.

Orange Free State

(611 posts)
32. Probably the older female equivalent of
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:17 AM
Apr 2018

a man cave. It’s where she hatches evil plots against Godfearing heterosexual white males. Location: the writer’s imagination.

Grins

(7,239 posts)
41. You may like what he wrote, but remember one thing....
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:22 AM
Apr 2018
Rick Wilson is a REPUBLICAN!

A Reagan Republican!

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
57. He's reassuring the RWNJ's that he's still one of them even though he trashes Trump
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:23 AM
Apr 2018

Reasonable Republicans died out with Rockefeller

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
64. Republicans hate strong intelligent women
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:44 PM
Apr 2018

Makes their little elephant testicles shrivel up and hide!

Oh and fuck granny killer Ryan, I hope he gets whats coming to him eventually.

LisaM

(27,842 posts)
80. There are some more benign definitions, including a wise woman...
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:36 PM
Apr 2018

though I think it would really be giving the benefit of the doubt to the writer to imply this is the interpretation he intended....

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
84. I've gotta jump in to this 'crone' subthread
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:02 PM
Apr 2018

The word "crone" is a less common synonym for "old woman", and is more likely to appear in reference to traditional narratives than in contemporary everyday usage.[1] The word became further specialized as the third aspect of the Triple Goddess popularized by Robert Graves and subsequently in some forms of neopaganism, particularly Wicca in which she symbolizes the Dark Goddess, the dark of the moon, the end of a cycle. In New Age and feminist spiritual circles, a "Croning" is a ritual rite of passage into an era of wisdom, freedom, and personal power. Some feminist authors have defined the crone archetype in a positive light, as a powerful and wise old woman.[2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crone

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
86. I know. I'm Pagan. And Wilson's intention is quite clear.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:19 PM
Apr 2018

As an older professional woman, I embrace my transition into the crone. Wilson's comment was meant to ridicule and demean.

I am not amused.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
15. I bet she's not cackling
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:57 AM
Apr 2018

More likely, she's deeply saddened at the damage that these stupid Republicans have done to working people in this country, to our environment, to our reputation among nations of this world. More likely she's gritting her teeth to do what's necessary to clean up the vulgar mess that republicans have made.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
17. I agree.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:08 AM
Apr 2018

It will take YEARS to clean up the mess this crew will leave behind. No gop member would be capable of cleaning up like a Democratic president will have to do. What took President Obama 8 years, has been torn to shreds in short order by an orange ass and his cohorts. The gop despises intelligent people, obviously. They treated Obama like crap for 8 years. Then they put the equivalent of the low rent John Gotti into the WH. Minus the looks, the style and the charisma of Gotti, here came the orange idiot and the gop saw opportunity to fulfill the wishes of their owners, the Koch and Mercer families. Not to mention Vlad.

madaboutharry

(40,231 posts)
22. Very well said.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:35 AM
Apr 2018

Nancy Pelosi cares deeply about the lives of Americans. She lives in a state that each day is becoming increasingly impacted by climate change. It must hurt her at the core to read the headlines in the foreign press.

You are correct. She isn't cackling. I am sure she is, as many of us are, terribly sad.

True Blue American

(17,992 posts)
58. True!
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:46 AM
Apr 2018

I do not think anyone is laughing at the grave situation we are in with Trump and his enablers. And,that is just what they are!

Mopar151

(10,002 posts)
85. The right conjures up a villan
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:17 PM
Apr 2018

Cruella Pelosi? Let Her have a little cackle, it only scares `em worse. Sadly, for them, the real Senator can lay their mistakes out on a legal pad in 20 minutes, and that should scare them more. But way too many of those goobers think wrestling is real, and the government's fake.

Maybe - just maybe - we can reach a few of the deluded by having Man Mountain Meuller cut a promo on Orange Oligarch#2's coming Loser Leaves Town Match with the Senate.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
25. I bet she actually is laughing out loud
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:55 AM
Apr 2018

And she doesn’t care how they describe it. She didn’t make it in that man’s world by fearing their reactions to powerful women. They hate her because she just won’t protect their “fragile” egos the way she should and they can’t make her do it.

But other than that I thought this was elatingly bitter, sour, sour grapes. Elating to us, that is.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
26. I noted that too.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:55 AM
Apr 2018

It tarnished this rant a bit for me - that and calling her a "crone."

Otherwise, great rant.

Shipwack

(2,172 posts)
35. I took it the other way, at first read...
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:33 AM
Apr 2018

Crones are wise and experienced, no? I also thought that he meant that “the agenda of limited-government conservatism based on fiscal probity, personal responsibility, free trade, and limited government is as dead Donald Trump’s marriage...” was a good thing.

Then I realized the source, and figured out that crone was a misogynistic slur, not a compliment.

My bad.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
63. Yep, sorry.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:39 PM
Apr 2018

"crone
krōn/Submit
noun
an old woman who is thin and ugly.
"

F that! I think she looks marvelous for a lady approaching 80! (She's 78.)



riversedge

(70,330 posts)
40. I cringed when I read that
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:05 AM
Apr 2018

and there was another eye brow raising comment --sexist in my book. I was going to post this article but I thought his hits on

Pelosi was not needed!!



BSdetect

(8,999 posts)
45. What does it take to convert a repugnant to democrat? Nancy Pelosi is way too nice to be vilified by
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:35 AM
Apr 2018

such a crass comment.

spooky3

(34,484 posts)
55. One Rep for whom I felt some fondness was Coburn,
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:19 AM
Apr 2018

Who confronted someone making a similar statement about Pelosi. He told him he knew Pelosi well, and she was a “nice lady.”

For more on Coburn, check out Al Franken’s stories told on a Colbert show.

yonder

(9,679 posts)
69. As conservative as Rick Wilson is, he's a skilled writer and I generally like his style.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 02:56 PM
Apr 2018

I'll likely continue to read him, David Brooks, George Will, etc. once the tide turns and they again start directing their focus our way. For now, his current crop of conservative crud rants are fun and usually worth reading.

 

FromMissouri

(95 posts)
90. Totally.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:54 PM
Apr 2018

I have seen too many Democratic campaigns slump once the feeling sets in that this one is in the bag. Despite working for Her last time, I saw way too much confidence in my fellow campaigners. I had this deep seated feeling she wouldn't win. Too many people were celebrating before the election. They had no sense of the depths of ratfucking to which the Repukes will go... even to consorting with an enemy foreign power.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
6. It's not just that..
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:41 AM
Apr 2018

Ryan played a big part in knowingly letting the NRA fund gop congressional races w Russian money. His time 'in the barrel' is coming as well. Mueller is going full monty on the whole group I bet. We'll see.

Ilsa

(61,700 posts)
9. We can hope. I don't want to see him in
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:51 AM
Apr 2018

2020, 2024, or 2028 running for the job he really wants. His complicity is not exposed enough. There needs to be a hauling of these traitorous through grand jury and court proceedings. I want him tainted or convicted in the history books.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
13. Doesn't
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:55 AM
Apr 2018

anyone remember that hidden phone camera, after the election where he had all the red congressmen in a room swearing their silence. He said something like.."we all have to keep quiet or else we all go down. We're a family." I sure do.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
88. Maybe...
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:42 PM
Apr 2018

But that just proves what they do...tell you you have lying eyes. The tapes don't lie. It was pretty obvious to me. That's why Officers of thelaw wear them now. Videotape evidence isn't just nothing to most people. Most people=US/Democrats

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
107. Heh heh...
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 12:56 PM
Apr 2018

As per EVERY post...I'm FAR from perfect, and, being an older American, my mind sure isn't as sharp as 40 years ago, but, I was shocked when I saw it. It was a flash in the pan story, akin to bushes 3 million emails disappearing RIGHT before the Congressional Inquiry on Iraq. Both stories lasted a day or two, and were gone like Elvis.
P.S....I mean no disrespect to any elder folk here bc MY memory isn't perfect. I have to say a good portion of the really on point posts are from folks who...studied politics, lived the years, and understand personal working man/woman economics. I have to clarify ALL of that bc I get the feeling sometimes folks can get real picky "uny' and even nasty about certain things. Surprisingly, when it involves a gop sympathetic factoid, which, gives me pause for ponderance. ANYhow, ty for the comment.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
20. I think you're right,
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:18 AM
Apr 2018

And next after they realize the Senate will also fall to the Democrats, which it will, Mitch will be on his way out also, and face investigations on him and Ryan , which will prove very damaging to their party, and others in their party. They've made their beds, now they have consequences, and the American people will vote these crooks out of office asap. Their ties to Putin and Russia will come back to haunt them. That's why trump is now so desperate to stop everything, he's knows they have enough information to bring them all down. If they do nothing if Mueller is fired, they'll be co-conspirators, and will also be given consequences , so they might just do nothing to replace Mueller, until the Democrats get full control and bring Mueller back to finish, which i think he will, no matter what trump does. trump's at the end of his rope now, so watch him start threatening others, and will include us eventually, that's how trump does. Corruption running wild out of this White House and administration . trump's reign of terror coming to an end . When their House leader is running from office you know its really getting bad for them all.

Ligyron

(7,639 posts)
37. Thank gawd for thumb drives.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:42 AM
Apr 2018

Worse comes to worse, all that info on trumpco will still be available when we take back Congress. The days of having to smuggle bulky files out to Xerox and replace before anyone can notice are over and the Interwebs are forever.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
89. I agree.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:46 PM
Apr 2018

Only this time we stand up and fight instead of letting these weasels frame issues, etc. Everytime we just roll over and make it easy for them to cheat....they line up and do it again bc there's no consequences. And OHHHHHH the moneys good.

JI7

(89,276 posts)
14. Paul Ryan was always an overrated piece of shit propped up by the shitty media
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:56 AM
Apr 2018

the same shitty media which propped up dumbass bush , failed in their reporting on iraq. failed in their 2016 election reporting and so many other things.

and which still tries to normalize trump .

 

poboy2

(2,078 posts)
27. This is gold-
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:00 AM
Apr 2018
The idea, popular among the House leadership, that a diet of ass-kissing and deference would make Trump into a normal president who didn’t need the political equivalent of Depends was always a strategic mistake.

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
28. The GOP acted like drunken sailors spending every damn time they got in office while insisting on
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:01 AM
Apr 2018

restraint if a Democrat is in office...deficits didn't matter to Reagan, BushII and now to Trump. So the actions never meshed with the rhetoric.

Hekate

(90,848 posts)
106. Or, since Ryan's on tape being so cool about Rohrabacher's ties to Russia...
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 12:50 PM
Apr 2018

"Let's just keep it in the family" -- like what? La Cosa Nostra?

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
30. As a person who graduated High School in Ridgefield Connecticut...close to New York
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:07 AM
Apr 2018

and who lived in Connecticut for some years (hubs graduated from Manhattan), I can tell you Trump alway killed what he touched...he bankrupted several of my Dad's friends... he was a pig with women always. Trump was the kardashians of the 80's only not as smart. He lived on page 6 and of course the Howard Stern interviews were awful. My Dad who liked everyone hated Trump. My brother who worked with Trump on some deal hates Trump...he has always been a piece of shit and wore out his welcome in New York decades ago.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
42. Enter the radical left, stage left, to negate yet another Democratic advantage!
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:27 AM
Apr 2018

Watch as they sow discord and discontent with the help of libertarians and Russian trolls.

"Both sides do it," don't ya know?

 

FromMissouri

(95 posts)
91. I'm a radical leftist.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:05 PM
Apr 2018

I have never thought the Democratic party, its members, its supporters, or its sympathizers could even come close to the depravity, corruption, venality and whorishness we have seen for decades from nearly every member of the Repugs. There is no equivalence. You're either just wrong, or not paying attention.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
99. Jill Stein. Susan Sarandon. Ralph Nader.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:43 PM
Apr 2018

Cornell West. That dumb lady who shilled for Bernie Sanders.

There are plenty of ratfucker radical leftists and they cost us 2 elections in recent years. If you missed that fact you're in no position to accuse me of not paying attention.

Response to Cary (Reply #99)

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
61. note the nice little sexist quote
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:24 PM
Apr 2018

or Nancy Pelosi is somehow cackling in a "crone cavern." Some people just can't get over the fact that for all of her flaws, she has been effective. Yes I wish he never took impeachment off the table, but the fact is she is effective now. Yet they still have to conjure imagery of her as some evil witch. Well, if she is a witch, may she have a nice hot cauldron to boil the souls of Donald Trump and the rest Republicans into steam. I myself, and many many of the Democrats will gladly be a part of that coven.

JHB

(37,163 posts)
62. And here's the part where Ricky flim-flams as much as Donnie...
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:33 PM
Apr 2018
This week marked the final surrender of the GOP on the central economic issues of our time: the debt and entitlement reform. Did our talk ever truly match our walk when it came to the economy? Not as often as I’d like, and I’m sure Ryan feels the same.

Still, he was a fluent translator of Conservative to English, a bridge between Hayek and hope. He lacked the needy edge and insecurities so evident in this president and so beloved of the new GOP. Ryan had been the endpoint of a conservative philosophical movement that combined Jack Kemp’s optimism about growth, opportunity, economic freedom, and the value of work with a profound understanding of the painful need to reform how the federal government operates.


Ryan's reputation as a "reasonable" conservative intellectual was always a pile of crap. His budget proposals never, never, NEVER added up without plentiful use of handwaves, baseless assumptions, and accounting tricks. Just like several decades' worth of proposals from conservative think tanks.

Wilson faults Ryan for not bridging conservative hallucinations with reality. Nobody can, but Wilson remains the True Believer ... just like the voter base that he and his fellow conservatives spent their careers nurturing. He calls them rubes, but his complaint is that they used to be his rubes and now he can't have "nice things".

Initech

(100,107 posts)
77. The GOP is imploding right now and I must say I am enjoying watching the meltdown!
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:19 PM
Apr 2018

Maybe you guys will think twice before stealing an election again!

Stuart G

(38,449 posts)
78. I join your club...this meltdown is great..the Republicans suck...
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:24 PM
Apr 2018

two boxes please..............

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
83. Oh, Ryan's happy as a tick on a dog. He'll get a (or several) FAT board positions or jobs.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:58 PM
Apr 2018

He probably already has one lined up. Corporate America is very thankful to Ryan for the YUGE TAX CUTS for them.

Ryan is retiring to become a very, very wealthy man. He kissed Trump's ass to get his signature on the tax cut bill. It was clear to me from the start that this was the golden goose that Ryan was working for. Once he got it, he breathed a sigh of relief, and checked out of Congress. No need to get involved in investigatins, who is head of the Intel Committee, Trump's tweets or unethical behavior, budgets and other lofty goals he once had.

He got the big kahuna: The YUGE tax cuts. He'll get millions from that alone. And now, because of that bill, his future as a very very wealthy man is secure, as he shops for board positions with Fortune 500 companies.

Ryan has no regrets, as the author of the article seems to think. He accomplished his goal.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
96. Hey Rick, I'm sure Boehner is cackling with glee, too!
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:49 PM
Apr 2018

He left the teenagers in charge and they've gotten drunk with power, totaling our nation's car.

Ryan hasn't begun to suffer the consequences he deserves for his traitorous behavior.

appalachiablue

(41,182 posts)
110. At the end, the Republican writer Wilson emphasized GOPs losses post-1974 Nixon
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:11 PM
Apr 2018

yet omitted the significant 1980 election of Reagan which ushered in the Republican Counter Revolution to dismantle the New Deal/Great Society, and decades of disaster and roll backs. The neglect is odd.

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