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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 09:08 AM Apr 2018

"This...is clearly a smokescreen to distract from both Hillarys misdeeds and Obamagate spying"

In case anyone is interested in knowing how the other side is spinning this.


Dan Bongino:

This Mueller witch-hunt is clearly a smokescreen to distract from both Hillary’s misdeeds and Obamagate spying. This is an abomination of “justice.”


How do you even respond to something like that?
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"This...is clearly a smokescreen to distract from both Hillarys misdeeds and Obamagate spying" (Original Post) oberliner Apr 2018 OP
Laughter. C_U_L8R Apr 2018 #1
They are pathetic. IluvPitties Apr 2018 #2
If I heard that in person, I'd just laugh in their face and then walk away Siwsan Apr 2018 #3
Best response. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #10
How do you ever respond to something like that? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #4
Right oberliner Apr 2018 #5
"If it's so clear, how come YOU are the ONLY one who sees it??" lastlib Apr 2018 #6
Let them show proof Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #7
I looked at that tweet thread ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #8
This essay helps explain the thinking behind the crazy salin Apr 2018 #9

Siwsan

(26,263 posts)
3. If I heard that in person, I'd just laugh in their face and then walk away
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 09:11 AM
Apr 2018

Anyone that indoctrinated is beyond reasonable conversation.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
4. How do you ever respond to something like that?
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 09:11 AM
Apr 2018

You don't. You just chuckle, roll your eyes and walk away, if it's said to you in person. Maybe you add, along with the eye roll, something like, "Yeah, whatever. If that's what you want to believe." On line, about all you can say is "LOL" and post a laughing cat. There's no convincing those numpties.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Right
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 09:12 AM
Apr 2018

There is just no way to have a rational conversation when you aren't even able to have a common set of basic facts.

lastlib

(23,238 posts)
6. "If it's so clear, how come YOU are the ONLY one who sees it??"
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 09:17 AM
Apr 2018

"Everyone else sees a raid by the FBI to secure evidence of criminal activity by tRump's lawyer."

My other response would be, "Man, someday I gotta try that stuff YOU smoke. It must be killer."

ismnotwasm

(41,984 posts)
8. I looked at that tweet thread
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 09:37 AM
Apr 2018

And the MAGas keep adding names of Democrats . Not one words regarding Trumps malfeasance. It’s really weird. I don’t like it when “sides” use the same language about one another—ie delusional, crazy, evil, misinformed, criminal etc. but that’s what happens in a polarized argument.

The difference here is MAGas use conspiracy theories almost exclusively, and literally have memes in place of facts.

salin

(48,955 posts)
9. This essay helps explain the thinking behind the crazy
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 10:07 AM
Apr 2018

conspiracy theories (esp QAnon), and I think lays out a good case that on some level these folks realize there are real problems, real Serious problems with Trump - and have created an echo chamber alt reality to keep that cognitive dissonance at bay.

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/the-conspiracy-theory-that-says-trump-is-a-genius/

It's a good read. And one I have kept thinking about since I read it over the weekend.

Back in the preinvasion of Iraq days - the alt reality theories were spun from the WhiteHouse to keep the cognitive dissonance at bay that none of the 911 attackers were from or associated with Iraq. Only after the Abu Grahaib photos were leaked did more and more of the public (many who zealously once supported the war in Iraq for "Patriotism" ) began to open their eyes and see past that alt reality. By 2006 support was waning (and a big blue wave hit congress) and by 2008 -- most of the public recognized that the war was a mistake - and that we had been manipulated/lied into it.

Now the alt realities are created on line in the fringes - but the function is the same. Keep the cognitive dissonance at Bay. Looking at it this way, and remembering 2002-2006 (how long it took for public sentiment to shift) - I think the same dynamics are in play albeit in a different way. And that various awful events along the way will allow some of the folks we see steeped in this alt reality where Trump is a hero figure (the QAnon line) and/or the real villain is Clinton (the line layed out in the OP) to start seeing through the fog and working through the cognitive dissonance that yes - Trump is really, really THAT bad.

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