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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,986 posts)
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:29 PM Apr 2018

Farmers and ranchers cant afford a trade war

By Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.)

When people in rural Kansas talk to me about a farm crisis or economic depression, they unfortunately aren’t talking about the dust bowl of the 1930s or farm credit crisis of the 1980s – they’re talking about the ongoing crisis in farm country today where low commodity prices and severe drought have pushed many agricultural producers to the edge of an economic cliff. America’s trade relationships are, now more than ever, tied to the success of rural America, and we must make certain we negotiate responsibly so that our farmers and ranchers can continue to make a living by feeding and clothing the world.
Farm commodity prices have hovered at or below the cost of production for nearly half a decade, wiping out farmers’ savings and forcing many producers to take on more debt to keep family operations alive. Each morning, my office posts daily commodity prices from across Kansas for visitors to see, such as the price of wheat in Colby and price of soybeans in Hiawatha. The prices show what farmers receive per bushel of grain at the local elevator, but they also reflect the financial lifeblood of these towns and the thousands of rural communities across the country that are suffering due to the current farm disaster. These commodity prices are often a topic of conversation between visitors to my office, and more often than not, these Kansans have personally felt – or know someone who has – the strain of this recession.

In addition to alarmingly low prices, we’ve received little to no rain across much of the high plains for months. The U.S. Department of Agriculture has designated 24 Kansas counties as primary natural disaster areas so far due to severe drought conditions – and I’m working with my colleagues to extend and expand these designations as conditions don’t seem to be improving. While above-average yields the past several years have helped farmers and ranchers survive low commodity prices, I fear low prices, plus a drought, may be more than many producers can withstand.

Recently I was in Kensington, Kan., when I drove past such a large grain pile on the ground waiting for mouths to feed that I was compelled to pull over and take a photo. I’ve kept the photo with me ever since and have used it as a visual reminder of the reality our Kansas farmers face. In meetings with Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, USTR representatives and numerous Kansas farmers, the reaction has been the same: How do we fix this?

First and foremost, we must have a solid path toward an end result in our trade negotiations with China. We cannot escalate a fight between a significant purchaser of what we produce in Kansas with no real end goal. My hope is that this is a negotiating tactic, but the efforts we see now suggest more than that, as they keep being ramped up by both countries: the United States imposes tariffs, China responds. The United States imposes tariffs, China responds. Then United States responds to that, and so on. In addition, we ought not forget about recent ill-advised tariffs on solar cells, washing machines and steel and aluminum that have resulted in our farmers and ranchers – through no fault of their own – being caught in the middle of an escalating trade dispute with China and other global trading partners.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/382224-farmers-and-ranchers-cant-afford-a-trade-war

It's your party pushing this, dipshit.

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Farmers and ranchers cant afford a trade war (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2018 OP
Any democrat who spoke out of place and caused the market to dive, caused farmers Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #1
Maybe it's time for them to start voting their interests, n'est pas? Moostache Apr 2018 #2
That's what they get... duforsure Apr 2018 #3
Aww....what a shame. Poor widdle farmers and ranchers. I'm SO sorry for them. Glorfindel Apr 2018 #4
They can't afford a trade war awesomerwb1 Apr 2018 #5
They voted for a trade war. dalton99a Apr 2018 #6
40 years of the Koch's. MuseRider Apr 2018 #7
Agree,let's add these states to the mix. Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #9
Ya have to look back and you can see it but when it MuseRider Apr 2018 #11
Believe you on to a another major story. Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #12
They learned well from Daddy and his friends. MuseRider Apr 2018 #14
In Minneasota,we had a front row seat Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #19
Just think MuseRider Apr 2018 #20
Turn on Rachel. Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #21
They didn't give a damn about all the people that can't afford to lose their health care Downtown Hound Apr 2018 #8
Too bad....SOL....Screw em....they voted for the fool. Thomas Hurt Apr 2018 #10
But steelworkers and other manufacturiing workers can afford one? former9thward Apr 2018 #13
The tears of ranchers are delicious! Coventina Apr 2018 #15
The problem is. Blue_true Apr 2018 #16
Whatever, you Trump-enabling son of a bitch hatrack Apr 2018 #17
Fuck em. Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #18

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
1. Any democrat who spoke out of place and caused the market to dive, caused farmers
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:31 PM
Apr 2018

and Americans to lose millions in one day, would NEVER get reelected, would be HOUNDED out of politics.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
2. Maybe it's time for them to start voting their interests, n'est pas?
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:35 PM
Apr 2018

I am sick to death of hearing about the plight of people too stupid to take the time and rationally evaluate the candidates and parties beyond 15 sec attack ads and meaningless social war issues.

Fuck them.

They made this shit bed, now lie in it with the rest of us and do not forget who is actively fucking you in November, when maybe, just maybe your own ability to earn a living will trump your interest in controlling the body of a stranger of the female variety...

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
3. That's what they get...
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:36 PM
Apr 2018

... for trusting a trump or the GOP. Maybe now they'll learn better than to give a con man their vote. Or maybe not and lose their farm. Lots of people regretting voting the corrupt individual into office, and lots of businesses turning against trump and the gop also. In a trump/putin administration only the most corrupt do well.

Glorfindel

(9,729 posts)
4. Aww....what a shame. Poor widdle farmers and ranchers. I'm SO sorry for them.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:39 PM
Apr 2018

Maybe they shouldn't have voted to elect Repukes, eh?

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
5. They can't afford a trade war
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:40 PM
Apr 2018

and they also can't afford you anti-immigrant racist bastards' deporting their workers.

Leave the orange gop and go Independent if you care so much about your farmers and ranchers.

MuseRider

(34,109 posts)
7. 40 years of the Koch's.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 02:09 PM
Apr 2018

Go ahead and lay them out for being stupid but remember, what other states are worried about and desperately struggling to avoid has been happening here every year for the last 30 or 40 without notice. Test ground people. We never even had the chance to see it coming.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. Agree,let's add these states to the mix.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 02:27 PM
Apr 2018

Iowa,South Dakota,Missouri,and North Dakota. Funny how times have changed. One has to remember North Dakota was represented in the Senate by Burdick who was a member of the Socialist Workers Party of North Dakota. Of Course he ran as a Democrat backed by the Farmers Union .

MuseRider

(34,109 posts)
11. Ya have to look back and you can see it but when it
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 06:57 PM
Apr 2018

was happening it was not obvious. I first noticed they were messing with Colorado in the 80's (I think). It has been so unobtrusive and slow but it is solid and it will take a huge blow or many years to knock the Koch's out of Kansas and most of the other states that have been severely Koch'ed.

Thank you for thinking. I am always a bit afraid to post much about it. Still today you and yesterday another were actually capable of thinking and not just going straight to "fuck'em". Nice to know there are still a few functioning, rational brains. None of this will be fixed by yelling, it needs to be done politically by cool and thinking heads.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
12. Believe you on to a another major story.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 07:04 PM
Apr 2018

In the 80's the Koch Family bought Oil leases at below market on the Front Range as well as in Arizona. There have been many a story about Koch's Attorney's combing through County Clerk's files looking for Oil and Mineral Claims that might or were inactive.

MuseRider

(34,109 posts)
14. They learned well from Daddy and his friends.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 07:42 PM
Apr 2018

They were constantly sold to us in Kansas as one of the great things in the state. A large, successful business. The brothers supported so many things, quite a few here you would not expect like they do now in other states and in New York with their support for the Opera and Ballet and the arts in general. Those things are used to sell them to people and it worked so well for so long, too long for an easy fix now. Between what you just mentioned and the PR they had that I just mentioned they had it made.

I have personally seen Charles sitting in with the legislature. On big bills that he wants he meets with them personally before they go to vote. It is disgusting and not hidden at all.

I am not surprised that they did that on the Front Range and in Arizona. It is so odd what they hit when they go somewhere. They get you on social issues (wasn't that the same time that they started all the anti gay stuff in Colorado probably to hide their snooping around and buying?) and I have to wonder if they even really care about those issues. IMO they do not but they LOVE them for distraction and to pull people to their side. It is so well done, brilliant actually. Dumbing down the schools in Kansas then making the schools seem like they are stealing from the people with the taxes. It actually worked. I know there are a lot of dumb people, uneducated and insulated but how on earth you can live a life and not walk off a cliff if you cannot think better than that I do not know.

The solution here is really up to the Democrats who, at least here, simply never go out of the eastern 1/4 of Kansas. They do not spend the time to go to the people that are so entrenched now with the R's. When we actually had the 50 state strategy they still did not use the money to do that. Quite frankly I blame the party here for leaving out most of the state thinking they did not have to bother with them out there. Though I am no political strategist I have paid a lot of attention and been involved. I don't see a change soon in this state. We almost had one develop the last few years but it looks to have been shut down again.

It would be wonderful if the news tonight about Trump and all that might come out would solve the Koch, Mercer etc. problem. With all the stuff they raided, perhaps.....a girl can dream.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
19. In Minneasota,we had a front row seat
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 08:54 PM
Apr 2018

watching their Flint Hill Refinery and how they worked the State Legislature,especially the Rethugs. Sure spread a ton of money around getting certain Legislation passed that directly effected their Two Refineries and Major Pipe lines.

MuseRider

(34,109 posts)
20. Just think
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:07 PM
Apr 2018

we have both witnessed this, many people have and it was not stopped. This was before Citizens United. It has been so easy for the monied citizens of this country, and around the world, to move it in their way. I hope they are worried. Either things are going to tip all the way over to them and they will be left with everything and the responsibility to make things liveable, at least for themselves, and they will see how all of this does affect them too or the people will rise. I do not have a good feeling about the people rising. What can you do to those that own the world? We let this all go, nobody even on our side listened while we tried to tell them we were being robbed blind by those same people they were courting to get election money.

Makes me glad to be old.

EDIT to add, at least we may get to see Trump crash and fail. I will be happy with that. It might be a start. I still do have hope although it is not always very visible, even to me.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
8. They didn't give a damn about all the people that can't afford to lose their health care
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 02:16 PM
Apr 2018

I'm not going to give a damn about them now. They brought this on themselves.

former9thward

(32,009 posts)
13. But steelworkers and other manufacturiing workers can afford one?
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 07:07 PM
Apr 2018

They have been in one for decades but no one was concerned about it.

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
15. The tears of ranchers are delicious!
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 07:43 PM
Apr 2018

The day not a single one of their welfare cows is left on public lands will be a wonderful, wonderful day.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. The problem is.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 08:21 PM
Apr 2018

Our farmers are not feeding and clothing the world. They have competitors in Canada, Mexico, South America, Europe that are capable of exporting farm products.

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