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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 10:44 AM Apr 2018

Dennis Kucinich: Trump is under attack by the deep state.

http://www.newsweek.com/dennis-kucinich-ohio-governor-trump-russia-865067?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_medium=Social

Though his skepticism about Russian meddling is unusual for a Democrat, Kucinich has long promoted dialogue between that country and the U.S. “I don’t believe that Russia is currently a threat to U.S. security,” the then-congressman said at a forum on U.S.-Russia relations in 2008, months after dropping his presidential bid. In 2009, he started the Congressional Russia Caucus, and the following year, he spoke at the World Russia Forum, an annual event hosted by Russia House, a company based in Washington, D.C. and Moscow.

After leaving office, in 2014, he condemned the U.S. sanctions on Russia for its interference in Ukraine. “We need to stop playing Cold War games,” he told a Russian state-operated news agency. Then following the 2016 election, after the Barack Obama administration said Russia meddled, he posted on Facebook, “Enough of the BS about #Russia stealing the election. This is CIA & State Dept propaganda trying to legitimatize their increased hostilities towards Russia.”

After Trump took office, Kucinich continued giving interviews that seemed in line with what the president—whose inauguration speech Kucinich praised—was saying. In one interview, he said Obama should have fired then-FBI Director James Comey for Comey’s disclosure about new evidence in the completed investigation of Hillary Clinton’s emails, and called it “astonishing” that Comey was still leading the bureau and its Russia probe. (Trump fired Comey a month later.) In the same interview, he said the Russia issue “is hurting the Democratic party,” and that “the Democrats are losing valuable time trying to blame the 2016 election results on Moscow.”

In a February 2017 opinion piece published by Newsweek, he defended Michael Flynn, who had just resigned as Trump’s national security adviser and would later plead guilty to lying to federal agents. Last July, he said on Fox News that the meeting between Trump campaign officials and a Kremlin-linked lawyer “is a bunch of nothing,” and that the Russia investigations are “going nowhere.” He claimed in multiple TV appearances that U.S. intelligences agencies are trying to take down Trump. In one spot, when Fox News host Sean Hannity asked if “President Trump is under attack by the ‘deep state’ intelligence community,” Kucinich responded: “I believe that.”

Kucinich has also given interviews to Russian outlets that U.S. intelligence believes were part of Russia’s meddling operation. “If you want to know who influenced the U.S. election,” he told Russia’s Sputnik in an article published last March, “look no further than the FBI.”


Kucinich has been endorsed by Our Revolution.


Sid

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Dennis Kucinich: Trump is under attack by the deep state. (Original Post) SidDithers Apr 2018 OP
I always thought he was a flake, but he should stick with his UFOs The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #1
I thought Chemtrails was his bailiwick Brother Buzz Apr 2018 #20
Yes, when he was hanging out with Shirley McLaine. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #22
His running mate will be safeinOhio Apr 2018 #31
Kucinich has been endorsed by Our Revolution??? Really? hlthe2b Apr 2018 #2
It seems like many don't realize NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #6
Yep, he was once a progressive Dem then he went over to the dark side on FOX and RT, now... brush Apr 2018 #25
Our Revolution is off the deep end too. N/M RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #26
dennis, keep cashing those RT and Fox news checks DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #3
"Kucinich has been endorsed by Our Revolution." -- They don't have a very good track record. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #4
I think he's such a smarmy putz...... CatMor Apr 2018 #5
I supported him in 2004 and I agree with you 100% lostnfound Apr 2018 #32
... mcar Apr 2018 #7
Kucinich is a loon. nt MANative Apr 2018 #8
Amen to that! Thirty by 30 Apr 2018 #14
Kucinich is polling well - tied at this point - with Cordray for the Dem nomination for Ohio Governo EffieBlack Apr 2018 #9
Kucinich is an incorrigible Trump supporter and a fervent Putin apologist. dalton99a Apr 2018 #10
He once had a sizable following here. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #11
He once was a serious progressive elias7 Apr 2018 #45
Okay... I'll give you a rundown how far-left extremists think: DetlefK Apr 2018 #12
Wish I could rec this. mahina Apr 2018 #15
That's the beauty of useful idiots dalton99a Apr 2018 #16
So... Kucinich is a DEMOCRAT. Right? Eyeball_Kid Apr 2018 #13
Seems to me that when someone who calls himself a Democrat The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #21
He was a Dem once, went to FOX and RT, who knows what he'll be tomorrow as he now favors Putin. brush Apr 2018 #28
Criticism of him is fine, when he hasn't become the official Dem candidate muriel_volestrangler Apr 2018 #29
I always thought legitimate or at least well-intended criticism of democrats is acceptable xor Apr 2018 #33
Shut the fuck up, Dennis - you're out of your element!! hatrack Apr 2018 #17
What the hell happened to that dude? ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #18
okay, i'm over him now. barbtries Apr 2018 #19
Oh, Dennis, please just go back to being anti-war UpInArms Apr 2018 #23
If I lived in Ohio Progressive dog Apr 2018 #24
For what happened to Dennis... Mike Nelson Apr 2018 #27
I bet there are DUers who secretly voted for Trump IronLionZion Apr 2018 #30
This is a perfect example of the . . . peggysue2 Apr 2018 #34
I always thought PatSeg Apr 2018 #35
Agree! peggysue2 Apr 2018 #38
Uggh. I remember so many on DU used to support that clown ecstatic Apr 2018 #36
Certainly there are far better candidates in that primary? nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #37
Yes, Richard Cordray. Read the article. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #46
OH, Dennis. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #39
do I remember correctly that he was anti-choice until just before he decided to run niyad Apr 2018 #40
wonder what ever happened to his plans for a department of peace? niyad Apr 2018 #41
He's the male Jill Stein. lark Apr 2018 #42
Kucinich becomes more and more a lunatic. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #43
If only the aliens would come back and pick him up grantcart Apr 2018 #44
Dennis, the "attack" is called evidence. kentuck Apr 2018 #47
Disappointing... but not at all surprising. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #48
CANNOT! STAND! HIM! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2018 #49

hlthe2b

(102,282 posts)
2. Kucinich has been endorsed by Our Revolution??? Really?
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 10:49 AM
Apr 2018

He offered a strong voice during GWBush* years, especially on the WMD lies and war in Iraq, but in the years since? Surely most have realized a very different Kucinich? Just as Susan Sarandon (and many others) were ONCE long ago, reasonable voices for Democratic policies... Time has made a big difference... and not a "good" one.

brush

(53,779 posts)
25. Yep, he was once a progressive Dem then he went over to the dark side on FOX and RT, now...
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 11:27 AM
Apr 2018

WTF knows what he stands for.

He needs to fold it up. Who can trust him?

Nobody's voting for him because you never know what he'll stand for tomorrow.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
3. dennis, keep cashing those RT and Fox news checks
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 10:49 AM
Apr 2018

Maybe you might go ahead and become anti abortion again when it suits you.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. "Kucinich has been endorsed by Our Revolution." -- They don't have a very good track record.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 10:51 AM
Apr 2018
Kucinich has been endorsed by Our Revolution.
They don't have a very good track record.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
9. Kucinich is polling well - tied at this point - with Cordray for the Dem nomination for Ohio Governo
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 10:56 AM
Apr 2018

Cordray is being hurt by his position on guns.

Of course, if Kucinich wins the primary, Mike DeWine will kick his sorry butt in November - it will be a bloodbath.

An example of why, even on a critical issues like gun reform, we can't always be all about one issue. If this continues, Ohio will spend the next 4-8 years with DeWine as governor - a disaster for the state and the country.

Wake up, Democrats! Stop being stupid!

elias7

(4,006 posts)
45. He once was a serious progressive
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:43 PM
Apr 2018

Goofy but a seemingly honest broker and articulate. He seems to have taken a rightward turn somewhere. Too bad.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
12. Okay... I'll give you a rundown how far-left extremists think:
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 10:58 AM
Apr 2018

What you read here in the OP is perfectly normal Anti-Americanism of the Far Left. You see that in Europe on any given day if you know where to hang out.
The argument is basically that Russia cannot possibly be evil because everybody knows that the US is evil.

And the most evil part of the US is the Deep State.
That's why these liberal Leftists can see Trump's capitalism and racism and still love him. Being against the Deep State absolves you of all of your sins.

You can't prove the existence of the Deep State? Of course not, you silly! What do you think why it's called the Deep State? The failure to prove the Deep State is in itself proof of its existence!

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
13. So... Kucinich is a DEMOCRAT. Right?
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 11:00 AM
Apr 2018

I wonder what the DU policy is for criticizing a Democrat, given that Kucinich is one and has been one for decades.

Be careful, DUers. Being critical of a Democrat on these discussion groups could get you censured. There are those among us who throw snowflakey hissy fits when comments bump up against the walls of prescribed notions of Democratic Party purity. So... is criticism of Kucinich permissible, but not permissible with other Democratic notables?

Oh. And just for the record, Kucinich has a lot of explaining to do.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
21. Seems to me that when someone who calls himself a Democrat
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 11:19 AM
Apr 2018

jumps the rails to the extent Kucinich has done, he deserves to be called out on it.

brush

(53,779 posts)
28. He was a Dem once, went to FOX and RT, who knows what he'll be tomorrow as he now favors Putin.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 11:30 AM
Apr 2018

I'll pass.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,319 posts)
29. Criticism of him is fine, when he hasn't become the official Dem candidate
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 11:31 AM
Apr 2018

and he's running against Richard Cordray, for whom there are plenty of reasons to support him:

There are currently seven candidates running in the Democratic primary. But the race is likely to come down to two of them. Richard Cordray, who served as Ohio’s attorney general before being tapped by Obama to run the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, is a slight favorite. It should come as no surprise that Elizabeth Warren endorsed Cordray as soon as he entered the race.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/02/20/our-revolution-endorsed-dennis-kucinich-in-the-ohio-governors-race/

If Kucinich won the primary, criticism of him that isn't "constructive" becomes harder. Unless an explicit exception is made by the admins.

xor

(1,204 posts)
33. I always thought legitimate or at least well-intended criticism of democrats is acceptable
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:13 PM
Apr 2018

and the fist really came down when people use right-wing smear attacks on democrats, or when it's near elections and people are promoting third-party candidates over the democratic candidate.

I know I've been critical of Obama and Clinton at times, but I've yet to have any users or admins say I was crossing some line. I think it's all in how you approach your criticisms and how you choose your words.

IronLionZion

(45,446 posts)
30. I bet there are DUers who secretly voted for Trump
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 11:35 AM
Apr 2018

and will never admit to it, especially if they are in swing states like Ohio. Trump's populism and trade policies and anti-immigrant rhetoric appeals to a certain type of liberal.

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
34. This is a perfect example of the . . .
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:15 PM
Apr 2018

Horseshoe theory, where the Far Left and Far Right join hands and walk into the sunset, singing their battle songs against the Deep State. This is Intercept territory where the US is always the boogie man and apologies and excuses are made for Putin's Mafia State because . . . well just because it isn't the United States of America, the purveyor of all things bad in the world.

I guarantee you, the GOP will be thrilled if Kucinich wins and are probably funding his effort through a back door.

Wake up, Ohio. We've all seen this scenario play out before.

Btw, I understand there's a former Republican, now claiming he's a Dem, running as a Green who will try to split the vote in Montana against Tester in November.

Coincidence? I think not.

PatSeg

(47,468 posts)
35. I always thought
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:16 PM
Apr 2018

there was something not quite right about Kucinich, but I would have never thought he would support someone like Trump or defend Russia. People used to consider him a pretty far left Democrat, but apparently he is a political chameleon. I think he is more about Kucinich, than any party or ideology. OR he's just plain nutty.

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
38. Agree!
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:30 PM
Apr 2018

Pat Set said:

I would have never thought he would support someone like Trump or defend Russia.

Kucinich is clearly gone off the rails or was always an opportunist who hid his agenda very well. Political chameleon appears to be an apt description. Between Kucinich and this Green candidate in Montana, I suspect we'll be seeing more of this during the primary season. Sleight of hand, anyone?

We've seen this movie before.

ecstatic

(32,705 posts)
36. Uggh. I remember so many on DU used to support that clown
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:19 PM
Apr 2018

I don't know if they were trolls or genuinely that naive. SMH. You always should be skeptical when someone declares themselves the gatekeeper of what's progressive.

niyad

(113,315 posts)
40. do I remember correctly that he was anti-choice until just before he decided to run
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:05 PM
Apr 2018

for the presidency?

never did trust him.

lark

(23,102 posts)
42. He's the male Jill Stein.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:16 PM
Apr 2018

I would never vote for either of them, too indebted to our enemy. Any country that spends billions to steal our election and then owns the person elected only by their help and commands the fake president to take policy positions that help them and hurt the US, is our enemy.

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