Let's put this to rest, Biden is polling better than Sanders for 2020 at this point

[stevenleser]

http://www.pollingreport.com/2020.htm

CNN Poll conducted by SSRS. March 22-25, 2018. N=490 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents nationwide. Margin of error ± 5.3.


"I'm going to read you the names of a few people who might run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020. For each one, please tell me whether you would be very likely, somewhat likely, not very likely, or not likely at all to support them if they decide to run for the Democratic nomination for 2020. ..."


"Former vice president Joe Biden" 56% Very Likely

"Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders" 46% Very likely
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CNN Poll conducted by SSRS. Jan. 14-15 & 17-18, 2018. N=913 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.8.


"I know it's a long way off, but thinking about the election for president that will happen in 2020, if [see below] were the Democratic Party's candidate and Donald Trump were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for: [see below]?" If unsure: "As of today, do you lean more toward [see below]?"

Biden 57% Trump 40%

Sanders 55% Trump 42%
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[mcar]

1. Kick for reality!

[left-of-center2012]

2. "Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders" 46% Very likely

Very impressive.
Even with all the Bernie haters attacking him daily.

[stevenleser]

6. Very impressive? The guy just spent two years running for President. That's a terrible showing.

All he has to show for it is a distant second place.

[TCJ70]

11. Isnt that roughly the percentage of the vote he got in the primary? A little higher I think...

...40-some percent is hardly a distant second when there are only two options. Regardless, neither of them should run.

[mythology]

57. It helps to read the linked article.

The poll listed Sanders, Biden, Warren, Booker, Harris and Gillibrand and it wasn't asking which one of the six you would support. Respondents could choose as few or as many as they wanted and the respondents didn't rank by preference.

[TCJ70]

77. Calm down there, sparky. I read it. And it changes nothing about what I said.

In the last primary he got 43% of the vote...now 46% of Dem respondents said they’d every likely to support him. They were asked to consider each candidate individually. Changes nothing about what I said.

Relax.

[karynnj]

23. I agree that it is not impressive, but for different reasons

The question was not, who are you for. It is whether you were likely to support him. It is way too early to be polling for 2020 and what this is reflects that the two people polled with high name recognition were "approved" on a question where you did not have to choose between candidates.

You can not really tell from this, which of the two are favored by more people. Theoretically, there are 4 groups of people - those who approve of both, those who approve of neither, those who approve of Sanders, but not Biden and those who approve of Biden and not Sanders. We know from the numbers that there have to be some in the last group. As to which one is the favorite of the two, it would come down to how the group that approves of both chose between them plus the net difference between the last two groups.

[Cha]

9. i'm not impressed.

[sheshe2]

22. And Biden isn't even running.

Bernie never stopped.

Dismal stats.

I don't want either, spoken as an older peep...I want a younger one.

[Cha]

24. I do, too, she..

A true blue Democratic candidate who talks straight and has the fire in their belly.. like President Obama does.

[sheshe2]

30. Exactly Cha.

I do not want a candidate that just talks about change. I want one with a plan to make it happen and we need a democratic HOUSE and/or SENATE to even start that process.

[Beartracks]

67. Yep. The path to 2020 goes through 2018. n/t

[Stonepounder]

33. I agree. We need a younger President AND Congress

Bernie, Joe, and Hillary are just too old! Hillary would be 73 in 2020. Joe would be 77 and Bernie would be 78.

We need new blood. Elder statesmen (and women) have a place, but it is not in the White House. You can't really attract first time voters and get them excited with folks who can be their grandparents. It is time for us old fogies to turn the reins over to a younger generation.

[sheshe2]

49. Yes yes yes.

We elders have been waiting forever for someone to take up the mantle that we have carried forever.

two tings happened.

Trump
gave women the motivation to seek office like never before.

Parkland
the children are coming.

[StevieM]

55. My candidate, Tom Steyer, is definitely new blood. He isn't too young though--he will be 63 in 2020.

Which is fine by me. I don't care how old the candidates are.

[StevieM]

54. My candidate, Tom Steyer, will be 63. I think that is fine.

Then again, I don't really care about Biden or Sanders' ages either.

Whoever wants to run should run.

[ginnyinWI]

63. I'm with you. I am in my 60s, and

I don't think anyone who is 70+ should run. I mean, think about them winning and then serving for eight years. A 70 year old will finish up when he/she is 78. Yikes. And the older the candidate, the worse that gets.

[Wwcd]

69. + a million. ..Biden isn't even running & bernie never stopped..

[pnwmom]

73. No, it means he'd end up a few million votes behind the winner, just like he did

last time.

After all his campaigning, he's no further ahead than he was before.

[TCJ70]

79. 3% further ahead. N/t

[brooklynite]

3. How about we put it to rest on the basis that polls for either are meaningless at this point?

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

4. Thank you n/t

[stevenleser]

7. It's only meaningful to refute incorrect information being posted here. nt

[Raine]

8. Thank you! nt

[tblue37]

14. Remember Lieberman's "Joementum"? It is just name recognition at this point. nt

[stevenleser]

15. That would go for both Biden and Sanders. Sanders ran for President for two years. nt

[tblue37]

16. My point exactly. People know both of them from recent experience. Biden as VP; Sanders because

of the presidential campaign. They are far less familiar with most of our younger potential candidates.

I love both Biden and Sanders--and Hillary, of course--but none of them should run again.

[stevenleser]

19. I agree with all you wrote except whether Biden should run. He's not my first choice, but I would be

happy to see him run if that is what he wants.

[elleng]

35. YES!

[a kennedy]

5. DONT WANT EITHER OF THEM.......PLEASE CAN WE GET SOME NEWER AND YOUNGER BLOOD???

please??

[jmbar2]

38. Totally agree

I'd like to see Eric Holder run.

[WhiteTara]

10. I just envisioned

two geriatric men racing one another down Pennsylvania Ave pushing their walkers... Sorry

[dsc]

18. I am literally trying to imagine any other group that you could use such stereotypes against

and not have any chance of having your post removed. Say for example a post about Cory Booker and Deval Patrick which talked about eating watermelon. Or a post about Bill Richardson and Julian Castro which talked about eating beans. Simply amazing we can do this to the old and no one bats an eye. Lord knows I am not a huge defender of Sanders nor even of Biden, but neither one have shown any sign of any ill health at all in recent years (Biden had very serious health issues in the late 1980's to my knowledge Sanders never has).

[WhiteTara]

26. oh, I would have make the same joke

if it were say, Madilyn Albright and Hillary Clinton if they were making those kinds of noises. Of course, I'm old too and currently using a walker because of a broken foot, so I guess that's why the image came to me. I am sorry to offend you. But Biden will be 77 and Sanders 78 in 2020. How could either serve more than one term?

[sheshe2]

37. Hey you...hope your foot heals soon.

I am old too....don't want either to run.

[WhiteTara]

42. Thanks for the good thoughts

I don't use the walker all the time, but the boot is so exhausting to wear all day and night, so that gives relief. But I did think it was funny, false teeth in pockets, bathrobes flapping, racing down the street with their walkers showing us all how buff they are.

[sheshe2]

53. The women are coming and children are coming.

Thank you Donnie. They woke.

They are our future.

[WhiteTara]

65. They are just in time too!

[dsc]

82. that doesn't help

It is the anti old part that is the problem.

[WhiteTara]

91. If we can't laugh at our infirmities

and getting old, we are in trouble. Humor helps, even gallows humor.

Trust me when I say, getting old is NOT for sissies.

[democratisphere]

12. Biden is old but would still make an excellent candidate. Bernie is old and NOTHING is free.

Enough said. America needs a younger president with a dynamic personality and a commitment to work for the greater good of ALL people. Rule by the wealthiest must be stopped as they ONLY care about themselves. Time for the BLUE backlash!

[tblue37]

13. Both are too old. We need our younger faces to step up:

Harris, Schiff, Booker, etc.

[a kennedy]

17. Joe Kennedy III

[frazzled]

20. Ham sandwich 62%, Trump 35%

In the current situation, and at this moment in time, proverbs apply.

[elocs]

21. Although I think it's really time for a new generation to take control of the Democratic Party,

and we don't need another old, white man as the leader of this nation, I would support Biden--an actual Democrat of decades over Sanders who just uses the party for his own end because he knows he could never be elected as an independent.
I am confident that Biden would be capable of getting things done while there are certainly many in government who don't like Sanders.
Let's hope that after the midterms there is a viable Democratic candidate who is not a baby boomer who wants to lead this country. Be aware that the tens of millions of supporters of Trump and conservatives in general will be going nowhere so even having the Democrats taking the White House and Congress would only be winning a temporary battle and unless the Left remains vigilant and turns out to support Democratic candidates, then the GOP will be back in power and we will see another Trump-like president--maybe one who is more competent in pursuing their goals.

[lunamagica]

48. No baby boomers? Arent the youngest boomers around 55-60 years old?

[ginnyinWI]

64. The last boomers were born in 1964. n/t

[lunamagica]

66. So they's be 54 years old now. Young enough

[elocs]

85. There's no point in being disingenuous because I'm sure you know what I meant.

I would have been better to phrase is, "those who are old enough to collect Social Security" rather than baby boomers.
Clearly my point is that we need fresh and new ideas, for the torch to be passed to a new generation.

[X_Digger]

25. Let's put them both to bed, they're both too fucking old. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Why the ageism?!

[X_Digger]

40. It's not ageist to say that a particular job is best served by someone younger.

Whoever gets saddled with the remnants of the current shit show has a hell of a lot of work ahead of them. They're going to have to rebuild the whole institution of an entire branch of government.

It's not a job for an old man. The job adds 10 years to those who take it seriously for every 4 year term.

Would you prefer an 18 year old brain surgeon? A 95 year old carpenter?

To ignore the fact that some jobs are better served by those of a certain age is not ageist, it's facing reality.

[Pepsidog]

47. Joe has the knowledge, connections and means to erase Trumps tragic presidency.

[lunamagica]

51. Don't you want to have a president who can serve two-terms?

[tonyt53]

27. Biden isn't running. He is giving cover for other Dems and loving torturing trump.

[exboyfil]

28. Let's stop going backward

Do not nominate anyone born before 1955!!! Can't these senior politicians be content with serving as advisers, ambassadors, and cabinet officials?

[NurseJackie]

29. Thank GOD!

[Still In Wisconsin]

45. We get it. You hate Bernie Sanders.

Opinion registered. Again.

[Pepsidog]

52. Hard to believe any real progressive could hate Bernie.

[Wwcd]

71. The REAL Progressive fought bernie from dumping VT's toxic waste in the Tx

Sierra Blanca.

bernie could learn a lot about REAL Progressivism from Sen Paul Wellstone.

bernie isn't Progressive, he's an Independent.
He does not have the history of Progressive policies.
He can call himself anything he wants, he's not a Progressive in a lot of ways.

Some days progressive, some days not.
meh.

[Pepsidog]

72. Wellstone was the best I wont argue with that

[Still In Wisconsin]

87. Oh neat you followed me to this thread too.

Yay! I have a stalker!

[Wwcd]

90. Umm..It's not your post I replied to. Are you baiting me?

Really?

You stopped by to specifically target my post that wasn't addressed to you.
You replied to my post. Stop stalking me.


BYE..Ignore.

[Still In Wisconsin]

93. uHHHHM... Nah whatever...

[jg10003]

32. Let's put to rest any talk of 2020 until after the midterms.

[Pepsidog]

46. Good point

[NCTraveler]

34. What would the numbers link like for Biden, Sanders and Harris? Nt

[flotsam]

36. Do you mean

That after a year of slander and bashing Sanders Joe Biden only beats Trump by two more percentage points than Bernie??? AND Bernie still has a double digit lead??? Wow-I suspected the bullshit here would have done more damage...

[madville]

39. I think Bernie takes Iowa and New Hampshire in a large field

Then it will be complete chaos unless the party can quickly line up behind one candidate to challenge him.

[Gothmog]

41. Thank you for posting this

[Still In Wisconsin]

43. I would support Joe Biden enthusiastically. Went for Bernie the first time, hope he does NOT run

again. I really don't think anything good could come of it.

[Pepsidog]

44. Biden would be a welcome relief both nationally and internationally. Run Joe Run.

[YOHABLO]

50. I'll take either one at this point. Let's get on with it.

[ucrdem]

56. Hope he runs.

I don't see how any of the others have a ghost of a chance, least of all Bernie, who really needs to park the campaign Winnebago and call it a night.

[mr_lebowski]

59. At this time, the five people I want to see in play for 2020 ...

Schiff, Booker, Harris, Kennedy, Gavin Newsome.

I very loosely prefer, for electability reasons, to have one white, one AA, and either two males, or one male, one female. I don't especially care which is the Prez candidate, but Harris would be probably be my fifth choice, just because we lost last time with a female candidate. At least as things stand presently, I have to think that a Liberal Californian Female US Senator (don't get me wrong, that's my home state, and I love her) would have a very hard time.

I don't think that's RIGHT, by any stretch, it's not that I wouldn't LOVE a female POTUS ... cause I would, but I think Harris is best as VP at this time. Problem there would be she's the longest-standing US Senator (I think), and hence would be 'Senior' to all these other men in a sense. So that complicates things ...

But I'd take any of those four dudes (except Newsome, can't have 2 Californians) as POTUS & Kamala as VP all day long, or any of the two dudes.

BTW, would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see both Biden and Al Gore as Cabinet Members ... both of them would be phenomenal in a variety of Cabinet Positions.

[Wwcd]

62. Any of them!! Schiff, Booker, Harris, Kennedy, Gavin Newsome.

[Tiggeroshii]

60. Honestly I don't care who it is as long as they win, at this point.

If they are nominated and they lose the EC, I will say we should have chosen somebody else.

[Wwcd]

61. Haaahaa 😁 Joe's just running on charisma, no doubt

Go get em Joe!!

Joe's chrisma thru the years:

Joe Biden’s Kilowatt Smile

https://www.google.com/amp/s/blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2016/06/25/joe-bidens-kilowatt-smile/amp/


charisma!!

[pnwmom]

74. I thought you were referring to Joe Kennedy's charisma.

And Kennedy's kilowatt smile.

[manor321]

68. Younger

IMHO, the election of Obama and Trump indicate people want something new and different. They are tired of old politics.

I'm hoping for a younger candidate to win the Democratic nomination.

[BannonsLiver]

92. Thats what they wanted in 2016

Very often that changes from election to election. It’s a mistake to view the electorate as static in their thinking. They’re not.

[caraher]

70. There's nothing to put to rest except wild speculation about 2020 generally

Focus instead on what's next: this year's elections!

For perspective, Wikipedia offers this snapshot of the race for the 2008 nomination, taken several months nearer the primaries than the survey in the OP

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll
Aug 30 – Sep 2, 2006

Hillary Clinton 37%,
Al Gore 20%,
John Edwards 11%,
John Kerry 11%,
Russ Feingold 3%,
Bill Richardson 3%,
Mark Warner 3%,
Evan Bayh 2%,
Joe Biden 2%,
Tom Vilsack 1%

The eventual nominee isn't even in the poll!

[CentralMass]

75. A poll of the 15 top Democrats for 2020 in the WAPO last month has Bernie #1.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/23/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked-2/

[stevenleser]

81. That's not a poll, that's the author's guess. nt

[CentralMass]

88. I stand corrected however her is another poll that has Biden and Sanders

within one point of each other vs trump with a margin of error of +/- 3.4

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2020#General_election_polling

[GaryCnf]

76. What's interesting

Is that after two years of incessant whining about Sanders being divisive and costing us the election by every single prominant centrist talking head and pundit AND Sanders being a 100% known quantity, only 12% of Democrats were not "not very likely" to vote for him in the primary.

Interesting also is the fact that 8% said the same thing about Joe.

[leftynyc]

78. I can only speak for myself

but while I would vote for Bernie if he were the candidate, I wouldn't be thrilled. I would give no money, wouldn't knock on one door, not one phone call and would focus on other races. I wonder how many others feel the same. I'll be damned if I don't fight tooth and nail to let someone who refuses to join our party hijack it again. Let him run as an Independent.

[GaryCnf]

80. Don't underestimate the size of your community

Apparently 12% of Democrats agree with you.

[leftynyc]

84. He STILL does nothing

but trash my party. I'm done with him. and he'll only get my vote because the alternative is worse.

[OhZone]

83. Almost ANY Democrat over a Con or -

and Independent!

[Orsino]

86. Bernie tried on the Democratic label, and found it not to his taste.

Sure, he's popular and has great ideas, but why look beyond the party?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

89. I prefer neither run but I could live with Biden running.

The time has come for a new generation of leadership.