Bombshell: DOJ says 'collusion' is a crime

[triron]

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[triron]

1. Here is the Newyorker article:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-department-of-justice-thinks-that-collusion-is-a-crime

[Hortensis]

2. Thanks. Collude is, of course, a synonym for conspire,

also to intrigue and plot, and some others. I never understood the argument, just assumed they would list the applicable parts of the legal codes, using accepted judicial language, when the time came.

[triron]

3. Agree, but I've heard several times on MSM that 'collusion' is not crime.

[Hortensis]

5. Oh, me too. But, again, a crime is a crime, as

defined by the wording of the law, regardless of what terms the media are using.

The fact, for instance, that the constitution reserves the word treason for rather specific situations does not mean we have no way of charging traitors with betraying their country in other situations. We do, of course, using other words that also have specific meanings under the law.

[onetexan]

12. i view collusion the same as aiding & abetting

[Volaris]

14. Yes. Taking money from a bank that isn't yours is robbery.

You can CALL IT 'borrowing' till you're put in prison for it.
Lock Him UP. FIND a way.
It's what even his voters deserve to have happen.

[samnsara]

7. me too. now im really confused

[Hortensis]

8. :) We can be sure the Mueller team isn't.

[FakeNoose]

4. It seems they're using "collusion" in the same way

... that we're using the word "treason."

Because the legal definition of treason is tightly worded and difficult to prove, the Dept. of Justice has avoided using it. So it's collusion to them, it's treason to the rest of us.

To the GOP it's "same thing, different day."

[spanone]

6. K&R...

[lindalou65]

15. Collusion - K&R

Ditto!!

[BobTheSubgenius]

9. They can call it collusion, or conspiracy.

They could call it Sally. It can still be a crime, depending on circumstances...and there is not positive connotation to "collusion." Is there?.

[Quemado]

10. Conspiracy to defraud the U.S.

that’s the way I’ve heard someone describe collusion.

[triron]

11. Well, that about sums up what the Trump campaign was up to.

[triron]

18. Will it rise to treason or espionage?

[sharedvalues]

13. The Rosenstein auth letter says collusion

Rosenstein wrote a letter to Mueller in Aug 2017, telling Mueller what crimes fell under the scope of his investigation. One of the specific points was that Mueller authorized to investigation collusion with Russia. I posted that a few days ago.

So I noticed, Mr. Toobin. You are right that it didn’t get much coverage. But that’s because it’s not that important, I think. Mueller seems likely to charge conspiracy to defraud the US. All that really matters is which statute is violated.

[Hekate]

16. Well, all right then

[triron]

17. knr