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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump is a typical 70 year old Fox watcher.
Stupid and misinformed.
He isn't a political mastermind looking for diversions. Half his lies are just untruths he believes. The others are bullshit he thinks of on the spot when caught in other lies.
He ignores the information at his disposal from all his government services.
He is an incurious, ill educated old coot who gets his news from Fox.
And that makes him all the more dangerous.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)We haven't talked much this past year. Kind of sad, he's the only sibling I have. Just can't tolerate the right wing lunacy....
Funtatlaguy
(10,890 posts)Of brainwashing.
Fox is poison.
Is there an antidote?
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)Alcohol dulls reality for awhile....always comes back tho.
Let me know if you have any suggestions!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Im willing to bet shes a Deplorable now so Im fine with it.
The last time we talked she was a Born Again Christian and we argued about God and, to her, his hatred of The Gay. She claimed god is a jealous god who demands obedience and fealty and that he has commanded that she hate Gays. I asked her why god would hate what he created with his supposed unconditional and boundless love. She accused me of trying to brainwash her and order her what to believe. I recognized the religious brainwashing and ended the call as a lost cause.
She wrote me a letter describing in great detail the punishment I was going to get in eternal hell. Three pages of it! I'm pretty sure she enjoyed every imagined gory detail of it.
I did get one valuable thing out of it though. Religious zealots, of which we have plenty, may talk of gods Great love but what they believe in is his unconditional hatred of those he chooses to hate and his jealousy of their absolute fealty and in his wrath if hes disobeyed.
They follow Trump with this fealty because he is just like their god. Mean, petty, vindictive, and demanding they hand him their loyalty and obedience.
PatSeg
(47,648 posts)and I have to wonder, if any of them ever read the new testament. How on earth does that kind of hate reflect the teachings of Jesus? It is more cult-like than a religion.
I don't belong to any organized religion, but I do appreciate most of the teachings of Jesus and the only thing close to hate was when he lost his temper at the "money changers".
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)My brother's a gunner....sits in his recliner every night watching Fox, alcoholic beverage on the end table right next to his loaded Glock....great combo, what could possibly go wrong? 🤦?♀️
Asked him why the need for a firearm one time. He claimed he needed it for "protection". Now, he lives in a very small town bordering on Lake Superior, no threats as far I could tell. IF anyone broke into his place they would be after his tv!
I really think he's a trump supporter as trump says (and does) what my brother has longed to for his entire life....porn Star encounters, racist and misogynistic remarks, etc., etc....
Sad and pathetic to think we came from the same environment.....
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)it was so clear to me: No rational God would impose such silly laws, lack that much compassion or love as to send innocent unbaptized to eternal purgatory, or good people of other religions either, or forbid you to even attend any other churches. By 7th grade, I left the church. Forever. If God wasn't at least as rational as I, they had to have it all wrong. And I firmly believe they do.
There are things beyond our understanding regarding the spiritual realm, but "jealous God" thing is just nuts. How can God be a loving God with that going on? Pfffft
lunatica
(53,410 posts)If you insert the God is love so how can he be hate argument they believe Satan has sent you to test their faith.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)LOGIC
Fortunately, I didn't do that much questioning aloud, and in that day and age (way back), they weren't quite so worried about ole Satan.
TNLib
(1,819 posts)Except my mom doesnt even vote and isnt a world leader. The only thing she is leader of is an old cat and a pug.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)You get the government you deserve!
Not sure what the rest of us have done to deserve this ... not fight back hard enough, I guess. But the Fox News Crowd has finally gotten a government as dumb as they are.
Wounded Bear
(58,737 posts)That's why we emphasize GOTV. I could almost tolerate this bullshit if there was an actual majority pushing it. The fact is that our country is set up to be run by minority rule. And by minority, I don't mean ethnic or racial minorities, but basically economic minorities.
iluvtennis
(19,882 posts)have massive GOTV campaign going on. The young people will not sit on the sidelines moving forward as they now see that it is to their detriment to do so.
Wounded Bear
(58,737 posts)between those two movements, I retain some hope we may get the country back on track.
iluvtennis
(19,882 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)When his rants trigger 500 point market selloffs and rumblings of REAL trade wars, he is hurting Americans!
This isn't a scripted reality show or the bumbling foolishness of a privileged real estate mini-mogul.
This is the "world order of things" -- and the repercussions and unintended consequences will end up destroying this "footnote" in history.
edhopper
(33,639 posts)the idea of a 70 year old, mean spirited, Fox watching fool leading the US should have us trembling.
At least when Regan went senile, he had some level headed people around him, GOP asshats, yes, but not destructive idiots like Drumpf.
Reagan had sane people like George Schulz, Howard Baker, James Baker and even George H.W. Bush around. Trump is surrounding himself with toadies and ass-kissers who are totally unqualified to do anything more than bow and praise Trump.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Ohiogal
(32,113 posts)Would sit in front of Fox news for hours and rant and rave! He was of the same generation as Comrade Donnie.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)They get a really warped view of the world.
You can get a warped view if you only get your news from any one source. Even outlets on the left. I get mine from NPR, PBS, CBS, MSNBC online, here at DU, and some columnists on Twitter. Some of the more moderate ones balance out some of the more extreme.
Arkansas Granny
(31,535 posts)with his brain.
no_hypocrisy
(46,231 posts)Loved Fox. Had the volume turned up to 10 to allow every room of the house to hear it.
He got news and entertainment at the same time.
Quoted Bill O'Reilly and Newt Gingrich, regularly, even when eating out.
Drank the Koolaid and asked for refills.
genxlib
(5,544 posts)Other high level GOP politicians were cynically willing to let FOX mislead on their behalf. They knew better but were craven enough to let them do what they do.
Trump is the first one in a significant position that is actually under the FOX spell.
It is a horrible but not unexpected evolution of the process.
randr
(12,417 posts)You don't know shit.
Grammy23
(5,815 posts)think you are well informed on whats happening in the world. From their point of view, it is us lefties who are misinformed and daft. No wonder we cant get anything done. With feet firmly planted in concrete and being unwilling to entertain another point of view is a recipe for disaster. And that can apply to both left and right. Being doggedly stuck to your own point of view without at least examining the merits of the others views will leave you stuck and no closer to a solution.
Unless and until we can get both sides willing to search for our common wishes and dreams, we are doomed to stay mired in dissatisfaction and frustration. We put the focus on what divides us and Fox seems to specialize in this tactic. I hope one day before I leave this earthly plane, I will see the change that needs to happen to make real progress for our nation. But I am not holding my breath. 😉
edhopper
(33,639 posts)Sorry, we know that those who get there news from Fox are ill0informed.
In fact people who get their news from Fox know less than people who don't watch any news.
Facts matter, and the right does not operate on facts.
"Both sides the same" is horse crap.
Tell me the things the Right want s to do that we should embrace.
I am listening.....
lancelyons
(988 posts)How do we fix this short of closing down Fox News.
There is a misinformation revolution going on right now. The right is trying to push fake narratives in an attempt to brain wash people. Just look at Fox News and now the Sinclair deal.
We have to know what the real facts are so we can prove these narratives wrong. We have to be able to set these people straight through awareness of real factual information.
There is a information revolution going on right now.
malaise
(269,212 posts)June 14, 1946
Farmer-Rick
(10,216 posts)Though my brother is pretty active with fishing and boating and my brother-in-law is a part time doctor.
I stopped talking to them years ago. Their kids are right wing mimics and fairly manipulative. I guess they have to be to live with them.
I call it grumpy old man syndrome. So far I've avoided it.
tavernier
(12,410 posts)Not one fox watcher.
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)what driving around with a .50 caliber machine gun mounted on your pickup truck is to the right to bear arms.
The latter is illegal, as the former should be.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)Have a son (57) he and his buddies are all "deplorables". Prior to trump we frequently argued politics to almost reaching the point of disowning each other. Since trump we have reached a point where our love for each other is stronger than our political beliefs. We no longer talk politics. Both of us enjoy each other's company now.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Basically Fox News has more actual power than any of Trump's advisors or, really, anyone in the Legislative branch. The Judicial branch seems, at least for now, to function as a separate branch.
ancianita
(36,157 posts)In Nielsen prime time, the median age ticks even lower:
CNNs median was 59 (flat vs. 2016);
MSNBCs median was 65 (up two years from 63 in 2016);
and Fox News was 66 (flat vs. 2016).
unblock
(52,383 posts)she was dismissed as an blithering idiot the way donnie should have also been.
but she made the national scene knowing virtually nothing beyond a poor ability to parrot foxnews talking points.
donnie is really no better than this, and i have to chalk up the greater acceptance of donnie to sexism.
point is, there's a whole generation of republican "leaders" who in fact do little more than whatever foxnews tells them to, nearly always using the exact buzzwords and insults and smears and emotional affect that foxnews uses.
Initech
(100,108 posts)Gothmog
(145,666 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)If you dare watch Hannity you will see how the same defective naratives are repeated over and over without any critical discussion. Everything is stated as facts, while its all the craziest pile of conspiracy shit imaginable. This goes on all day and night on that feed. If it was all someone was exposed to it wouldn't take long to fall under its influence.